Brandon Jones

Originally posted by ninertico:

Originally posted by 4evrfan:
Man, so many of you have short memories. This guy was the highlight of last preseason, and then he got hurt. since then, he never really had a real shot at RECEIVER 'cause he apparently stayed in Sing's doghouse. Sing was too enamored with the underachieving and slow Josh Morgan (but hey, Josh is tough and that's what Sing likes). If he ever gets a true opportunity to show what he brings to that table AS A RECEIVER, and then flames out, well now we got a reason to diss him. I'm not as in love with Morgan as many are and would rather see what the other guys can do, like Hill, Ziggy and the new crew, an of course, Jones. Let it all play out in camp and preseason and hopefully it's a true competition.

The bold is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read... "too enamored with the UNDERACHIEVING"?

C'mon now. The reason Morgan is a starter is because of what he brings as a complete WR. His blocking skills determine his position on the squad. If Jones, Hill and Ziggy could do it, they would be the ones starting. The fact is that in this offense, the WRs have to block well. Like you said, he got injured.

But I disagree that he didn't get a shot. Sure he did. He had his chance and muffed it.

That's why Morgan is the starter and not the ridiculousness that Singletary wanted underachieving WRs.

C'mon. "Complete" receiver? Doesn't that mean more than just being a good blocker? Morgan looks like he's running in sand sometimes and gets caught easily from behind by average DB's. He gets little to no separation and often disappears in games. How is he a complete receiver? All I'm saying about Jones is to give him a legit chance and unless he gets hurt again or flames out, talks of cutting him are a bit premature.

Brandon who?

Originally posted by 4evrfan:

Originally posted by ninertico:

Originally posted by 4evrfan:
Man, so many of you have short memories. This guy was the highlight of last preseason, and then he got hurt. since then, he never really had a real shot at RECEIVER 'cause he apparently stayed in Sing's doghouse. Sing was too enamored with the underachieving and slow Josh Morgan (but hey, Josh is tough and that's what Sing likes). If he ever gets a true opportunity to show what he brings to that table AS A RECEIVER, and then flames out, well now we got a reason to diss him. I'm not as in love with Morgan as many are and would rather see what the other guys can do, like Hill, Ziggy and the new crew, an of course, Jones. Let it all play out in camp and preseason and hopefully it's a true competition.

The bold is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read... "too enamored with the UNDERACHIEVING"?

C'mon now. The reason Morgan is a starter is because of what he brings as a complete WR. His blocking skills determine his position on the squad. If Jones, Hill and Ziggy could do it, they would be the ones starting. The fact is that in this offense, the WRs have to block well. Like you said, he got injured.

But I disagree that he didn't get a shot. Sure he did. He had his chance and muffed it.

That's why Morgan is the starter and not the ridiculousness that Singletary wanted underachieving WRs.

C'mon. "Complete" receiver? Doesn't that mean more than just being a good blocker? Morgan looks like he's running in sand sometimes and gets caught easily from behind by average DB's. He gets little to no separation and often disappears in games. How is he a complete receiver? All I'm saying about Jones is to give him a legit chance and unless he gets hurt again or flames out, talks of cutting him are a bit premature.

Josh also has not been consistent with his hands...there has been some noticable drops. I think people are still overselling Morgan because he came out of nowhere & had a great preseason two years ago. Now, I am not trying to rip the guy, but he hasn't been a model of consistency, which can be expected from a late round draft pick. Beyond Crabtree, I don't think the depth chart is all locked up. There should be some competiton to settle that.

Originally posted by djfullshred:

Originally posted by 4evrfan:

Originally posted by ninertico:

Originally posted by 4evrfan:
Man, so many of you have short memories. This guy was the highlight of last preseason, and then he got hurt. since then, he never really had a real shot at RECEIVER 'cause he apparently stayed in Sing's doghouse. Sing was too enamored with the underachieving and slow Josh Morgan (but hey, Josh is tough and that's what Sing likes). If he ever gets a true opportunity to show what he brings to that table AS A RECEIVER, and then flames out, well now we got a reason to diss him. I'm not as in love with Morgan as many are and would rather see what the other guys can do, like Hill, Ziggy and the new crew, an of course, Jones. Let it all play out in camp and preseason and hopefully it's a true competition.

The bold is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read... "too enamored with the UNDERACHIEVING"?

C'mon now. The reason Morgan is a starter is because of what he brings as a complete WR. His blocking skills determine his position on the squad. If Jones, Hill and Ziggy could do it, they would be the ones starting. The fact is that in this offense, the WRs have to block well. Like you said, he got injured.

But I disagree that he didn't get a shot. Sure he did. He had his chance and muffed it.

That's why Morgan is the starter and not the ridiculousness that Singletary wanted underachieving WRs.

C'mon. "Complete" receiver? Doesn't that mean more than just being a good blocker? Morgan looks like he's running in sand sometimes and gets caught easily from behind by average DB's. He gets little to no separation and often disappears in games. How is he a complete receiver? All I'm saying about Jones is to give him a legit chance and unless he gets hurt again or flames out, talks of cutting him are a bit premature.

Josh also has not been consistent with his hands...there has been some noticable drops. I think people are still overselling Morgan because he came out of nowhere & had a great preseason two years ago. Now, I am not trying to rip the guy, but he hasn't been a model of consistency, which can be expected from a late round draft pick. Beyond Crabtree, I don't think the depth chart is all locked up. There should be some competiton to settle that.

AMEN!

Originally posted by strickac:
I think he'll push Morgan for the #2 spot and I wouldn't be surprised if he beats him out.

Enough with the cut Brandon Jones crap. Let's just let him compete in camp and pre-season and let the whole competition thing work out who makes the team. His old coach was complementary about him. There is a bit more competition this time around it should be interesting. If he plays his way off of the team so be it.

it was a nice "one" catch though. lol

Originally posted by TheyHate2LuvMe:
it was a nice "one" catch though. lol

a very expensive catch

I think Niners would have to pay him anyway, cap or no cap you dont want that kind of dead money being tied up/spent

He did have good training camp chemistry with Smitty before he got injured
I think he makes the final 53 as backup flanker, and Williams makes it as the 5th

with Hill being traded or released at some point

Originally posted by cools:
I think Niners would have to pay him anyway, cap or no cap you dont want that kind of dead money being tied up/spent

He did have good training camp chemistry with Smitty before he got injured
I think he makes the final 53 as backup flanker, and Williams makes it as the 5th

with Hill being traded or released at some point

I seriously doubt Hill has any trade value. It's probably better to keep Hill around and let him walk as a FA after his contract expires...he might at least bring back a late-round comp pick.

As for Jones, it's just a numbers game. It was definitely bad luck on his part that he got injured and Crabtree fell to us at #10 last year. Both events pushed him further down the depth chart, and the additions of Ginn, Kyle Williams and even Vann (who is likely to move to WR), make it even tougher for Jones to stay on the roster.

Crabtree - Starter
Morgan - Likely starter
Ginn - Likely 3rd WR, deep threat and kickoff return ace
Jones - Vet, but expensive, injured, non-productive and not effective on special teams
Hill - Cheaper than Jones, proven to be a capable backup
Williams - Prototypical slot WR, cheap and excellent special teams potential
Vann - Great special teams potential, slot WR potential as well as trick-plays

IMO, the odds are stacked against Jones to stay on the roster. Unless injuries deplete our WR corps in the OTAs or early training camp, there are just too many options that are cheaper, more versatile and potentially even more productive than Jones.

Btw, I don't dislike Jones at all...I'm just being practical about it.

Originally posted by 4evrfan:

Originally posted by ninertico:

Originally posted by 4evrfan:
Man, so many of you have short memories. This guy was the highlight of last preseason, and then he got hurt. since then, he never really had a real shot at RECEIVER 'cause he apparently stayed in Sing's doghouse. Sing was too enamored with the underachieving and slow Josh Morgan (but hey, Josh is tough and that's what Sing likes). If he ever gets a true opportunity to show what he brings to that table AS A RECEIVER, and then flames out, well now we got a reason to diss him. I'm not as in love with Morgan as many are and would rather see what the other guys can do, like Hill, Ziggy and the new crew, an of course, Jones. Let it all play out in camp and preseason and hopefully it's a true competition.

The bold is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read... "too enamored with the UNDERACHIEVING"?

C'mon now. The reason Morgan is a starter is because of what he brings as a complete WR. His blocking skills determine his position on the squad. If Jones, Hill and Ziggy could do it, they would be the ones starting. The fact is that in this offense, the WRs have to block well. Like you said, he got injured.

But I disagree that he didn't get a shot. Sure he did. He had his chance and muffed it.

That's why Morgan is the starter and not the ridiculousness that Singletary wanted underachieving WRs.

C'mon. "Complete" receiver? Doesn't that mean more than just being a good blocker? Morgan looks like he's running in sand sometimes and gets caught easily from behind by average DB's. He gets little to no separation and often disappears in games. How is he a complete receiver? All I'm saying about Jones is to give him a legit chance and unless he gets hurt again or flames out, talks of cutting him are a bit premature.

I understand where you are coming from my Niner brother, I really do. I can see it in Jones especially that wonderful behind the back grab in mid air comes to mind.

My sources of contention are one) The comment you made about Singletary and two) Morgan's abilities. I agree with you that Morgan can be caught from behind and I sometimes questioned why he was used in reverses VS Jones or Crabtree.

I still saw more out of Morgan than Jones when they were on the field. I see Morgan finishing more so than Jones. There was a reason that Morgan was still the #2 receiver by year's end, he's the better WR in our scheme. If Jones can't block, he's no good to us as we need protection on the edges.

Again, I here where you are coming from. I just don't agree and that's OK man.



[ Edited by ninertico on May 12, 2010 at 13:13:24 ]

it was bad timing really.

we signed him when A) we werent sure if bruce would retire and B) we doubted we would draft a WR in the first round. no one thought crabs would drop. popular belief was that we would have drafted Ohre. so, if bruce retired, and we didn't draft crabs, we would have needed jones. and, lets be honest here, jones DID look good in training camp until he got injured, then everything feel a part. but regardless. he was over payed to begin with. i guess thats what you do when youre desperate for a wr? haha

Originally posted by ninertico:

Originally posted by 4evrfan:

Originally posted by ninertico:

Originally posted by 4evrfan:
Man, so many of you have short memories. This guy was the highlight of last preseason, and then he got hurt. since then, he never really had a real shot at RECEIVER 'cause he apparently stayed in Sing's doghouse. Sing was too enamored with the underachieving and slow Josh Morgan (but hey, Josh is tough and that's what Sing likes). If he ever gets a true opportunity to show what he brings to that table AS A RECEIVER, and then flames out, well now we got a reason to diss him. I'm not as in love with Morgan as many are and would rather see what the other guys can do, like Hill, Ziggy and the new crew, an of course, Jones. Let it all play out in camp and preseason and hopefully it's a true competition.

The bold is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read... "too enamored with the UNDERACHIEVING"?

C'mon now. The reason Morgan is a starter is because of what he brings as a complete WR. His blocking skills determine his position on the squad. If Jones, Hill and Ziggy could do it, they would be the ones starting. The fact is that in this offense, the WRs have to block well. Like you said, he got injured.

But I disagree that he didn't get a shot. Sure he did. He had his chance and muffed it.

That's why Morgan is the starter and not the ridiculousness that Singletary wanted underachieving WRs.

C'mon. "Complete" receiver? Doesn't that mean more than just being a good blocker? Morgan looks like he's running in sand sometimes and gets caught easily from behind by average DB's. He gets little to no separation and often disappears in games. How is he a complete receiver? All I'm saying about Jones is to give him a legit chance and unless he gets hurt again or flames out, talks of cutting him are a bit premature.

I understand where you are coming from my Niner brother, I really do. I can see it in Jones especially that wonderful behind the back grab in mid air comes to mind.

My sources of contention are one) The comment you made about Singletary and two) Morgan's abilities. I agree with you that Morgan can be caught from behind and I sometimes questioned why he was used in reverses VS Jones or Crabtree.

I still saw more out of Morgan than Jones when they were on the field. I see Morgan finishing more so than Jones. There was a reason that Morgan was still the #2 receiver by year's end, he's the better WR in our scheme. If Jones can't block, he's no good to us as we need protection on the edges.

Again, I here where you are coming from. I just don't agree and that's OK man.

I get all the above and agree to disagree, but my comment re Sing was meant to reflect an observation, correct or not, that he may place a bit too much empkasis on a guy's perceived toughness. For example, guys that get hurt or have lingering injuries seem to occupy his doghouse, even when they're legit. And, a guy like Morgan, who many feel is overrated, occupies the # 2 spot because he's a tough guy and a good blocker; never mind that he's a very average receiver. I'd just like to see every receiver get an equal shot and that includes Jones, who by all accounts, was very promising. I don't think that qualifies as "the most ridiculous thing (you) ever read", does it?

Originally posted by 4evrfan:

Originally posted by ninertico:

Originally posted by 4evrfan:

Originally posted by ninertico:

Originally posted by 4evrfan:
Man, so many of you have short memories. This guy was the highlight of last preseason, and then he got hurt. since then, he never really had a real shot at RECEIVER 'cause he apparently stayed in Sing's doghouse. Sing was too enamored with the underachieving and slow Josh Morgan (but hey, Josh is tough and that's what Sing likes). If he ever gets a true opportunity to show what he brings to that table AS A RECEIVER, and then flames out, well now we got a reason to diss him. I'm not as in love with Morgan as many are and would rather see what the other guys can do, like Hill, Ziggy and the new crew, an of course, Jones. Let it all play out in camp and preseason and hopefully it's a true competition.

The bold is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read... "too enamored with the UNDERACHIEVING"?

C'mon now. The reason Morgan is a starter is because of what he brings as a complete WR. His blocking skills determine his position on the squad. If Jones, Hill and Ziggy could do it, they would be the ones starting. The fact is that in this offense, the WRs have to block well. Like you said, he got injured.

But I disagree that he didn't get a shot. Sure he did. He had his chance and muffed it.

That's why Morgan is the starter and not the ridiculousness that Singletary wanted underachieving WRs.

C'mon. "Complete" receiver? Doesn't that mean more than just being a good blocker? Morgan looks like he's running in sand sometimes and gets caught easily from behind by average DB's. He gets little to no separation and often disappears in games. How is he a complete receiver? All I'm saying about Jones is to give him a legit chance and unless he gets hurt again or flames out, talks of cutting him are a bit premature.

I understand where you are coming from my Niner brother, I really do. I can see it in Jones especially that wonderful behind the back grab in mid air comes to mind.

My sources of contention are one) The comment you made about Singletary and two) Morgan's abilities. I agree with you that Morgan can be caught from behind and I sometimes questioned why he was used in reverses VS Jones or Crabtree.

I still saw more out of Morgan than Jones when they were on the field. I see Morgan finishing more so than Jones. There was a reason that Morgan was still the #2 receiver by year's end, he's the better WR in our scheme. If Jones can't block, he's no good to us as we need protection on the edges.

Again, I here where you are coming from. I just don't agree and that's OK man.

I get all the above and agree to disagree, but my comment re Sing was meant to reflect an observation, correct or not, that he may place a bit too much empkasis on a guy's perceived toughness. For example, guys that get hurt or have lingering injuries seem to occupy his doghouse, even when they're legit. And, a guy like Morgan, who many feel is overrated, occupies the # 2 spot because he's a tough guy and a good blocker; never mind that he's a very average receiver. I'd just like to see every receiver get an equal shot and that includes Jones, who by all accounts, was very promising. I don't think that qualifies as "the most ridiculous thing (you) ever read", does it?

You got me there especially in "NinerTalk"...

Originally posted by djfullshred:

Originally posted by doc_brown_:
Fu*k you guys. I posted a thread condemning his signing right after he was signed and most of you tried to ridicule me because YOU thought it was too early to critisize. "Relax buddy, wait until he acutally plays a regular season game", you said!

Well f*ck most of you for not believing in my foresight!

sounds like you need a hobby to relieve some stress in your life.

My bad...I was drunk when I wrote this!