Why the hate on Singletary?

Originally posted by teeohh:
I don't think he has what it takes.

Why, because he is inexperienced? doesn't call plays? "hired" Raye? is black?

Originally posted by susweel:
Sing is a good coach, he just has a bum at QB.

He has a bum at right tackle. Snyder is so bad!

As for Sing. This year was disappointing, however, that does not mean we underachieved. I believe with the talent we have 8-8 or 9-7 is about right. Get a couple of pieces together in the off-season and then we will look more like a 10-6 team (talent wise).

If Roman would've covered what's his name better, and if VD would've caught the TD against the Seahawks, we would be in the playoffs right now, and everybody would be all over Sing's nuts. It's not his fault we are not in the playoffs.

Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
If Roman would've covered what's his name better, and if VD would've caught the TD against the Seahawks, we would be in the playoffs right now, and everybody would be all over Sing's nuts. It's not his fault we are not in the playoffs.

Agreed.

-9fA

Ummmm maybe cause he tried to stick with something a bit too long?

The Run game just isn't there coming from the Power I. An antiquated system as it is, it's even more so when you don't have a Line that can knock fools off the ball.

We would have been better served running from the spread and OCCASIONALLY going to the Power I to option, screen, reverse and Run the ball.

Maybe THAT's why all the hate on Sing?

And Sing not an X's and O's guy? I really doubt that. Because that is what made the man a HoF player. He even said it back when I was a kid that he wasn't the biggest or fastest Linebacker, but he made up for it by studying film and by looking over scout diagrams and translating that on the field.

I know that he does that for this team but like Alex I think that he has to KNOW something before he reacts. There's nothing wrong with that imho, because he does change when confronted. Nolan would NEVER have made the change to the Spread during the season. Which above any other issue hindered his coaching career. I think that Nolan will get another shot and sooner than many around here think. But Sing is learning as he goes.

Not that it will make him a HoF candidate as a HC, but it will make our team better in the long run.

Not that I agree with Sing's detractors. I just understand the process.

~Ceadder

Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Ummmm maybe cause he tried to stick with something a bit too long?

The Run game just isn't there coming from the Power I. An antiquated system as it is, it's even more so when you don't have a Line that can knock fools off the ball.

We would have been better served running from the spread and OCCASIONALLY going to the Power I to option, screen, reverse and Run the ball.

Maybe THAT's why all the hate on Sing?

And Sing not an X's and O's guy? I really doubt that. Because that is what made the man a HoF player. He even said it back when I was a kid that he wasn't the biggest or fastest Linebacker, but he made up for it by studying film and by looking over scout diagrams and translating that on the field.

I know that he does that for this team but like Alex I think that he has to KNOW something before he reacts. There's nothing wrong with that imho, because he does change when confronted. Nolan would NEVER have made the change to the Spread during the season. Which above any other issue hindered his coaching career. I think that Nolan will get another shot and sooner than many around here think. But Sing is learning as he goes.

Not that it will make him a HoF candidate as a HC, but it will make our team better in the long run.

Not that I agree with Sing's detractors. I just understand the process.

~Ceadder

Raye is the one who stuck with this power running offense, if Raye would've told Sing that this isn't working, I have no doubt that Sing would've changed it.

He was a defensive player, not an offensive player, there's a difference when you study on how to PREVENT the offense. If he was a QB, that wouldn't make him a great defensive minded player, would it?

He also played for the Bears, who were known for their defense not offense, so it's hard to criticize the guy for not knowing that much offense; now if our defense sucked too, then we would have a problem.

Hopefully he spends more time this offseason with the offense, and I believe he will learn from his mistakes.

ANY DAY, i'll take a great defense over a great offense, any day; history is with me on this.

Originally posted by YouGotGored:

Originally posted by susweel:
Sing is a good coach, he just has a bum at QB.

He has a bum at right tackle. Snyder is so bad!

As for Sing. This year was disappointing, however, that does not mean we underachieved. I believe with the talent we have 8-8 or 9-7 is about right. Get a couple of pieces together in the off-season and then we will look more like a 10-6 team (talent wise).

I still say our Line should look like this Sims, Rachal,Baas(or another Center candidate)Heitman,Staley. Sims was truly a BEAST at the LT spot. Staley is solid at RT and can pull to the strong side as well as trap at the RT spot. Rachal has his moments. I sincerely feel he's better suited at LG than RG. Heitman is just NOT a Center. He's great with the terminology and poor with the execution. A much better fit at RG where Smith can SEE the pressure and can better protect himself should EH give up the PoA. The only question being who is the Center. Baas was drafted with Center in mind if I recall correctly. So He and Heitman should be working over time during the Offseason to get the guy up to Speed. Baas also has the Demeanor to back it up.

Pretty much the talent that we DO have on the Line has been misused for far too long. Given that the talent we have at the skill positions have been misused it makes sense that the Line is also a victim of bad coaching. We also need a freakin Line Coach that understands PoA and snap timing. It's clear to me at least that Foerster doesn't get it. If he DID get it his resume would not be filled with crap Line pedigrees. I bet I could do a better job than that schmuck. I can't see how our Line gets REPEATEDLY beaten off the ball as well as high centered by the Opposing DLinemen. But it happens in most of the games and it affects the perimeter blocking by the TEs' and RBs' cause they don't know WHO to take on as a result. If I know who my assignment is I can better protect my QB. But when you are taking on 8-9 guys and nobody knows who to block? It's a Clustergrope all the way around. You're gonna looking like a bunch of monkeys trying to impregnate a Football and no better.

~Ceadder

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by YouGotGored:

Originally posted by susweel:
Sing is a good coach, he just has a bum at QB.

He has a bum at right tackle. Snyder is so bad!

As for Sing. This year was disappointing, however, that does not mean we underachieved. I believe with the talent we have 8-8 or 9-7 is about right. Get a couple of pieces together in the off-season and then we will look more like a 10-6 team (talent wise).

I still say our Line should look like this Sims, Rachal,Baas(or another Center candidate)Heitman,Staley. Sims was truly a BEAST at the LT spot. Staley is solid at RT and can pull to the strong side as well as trap at the RT spot. Rachal has his moments. I sincerely feel he's better suited at LG than RG. Heitman is just NOT a Center. He's great with the terminology and poor with the execution. A much better fit at RG where Smith can SEE the pressure and can better protect himself should EH give up the PoA. The only question being who is the Center. Baas was drafted with Center in mind if I recall correctly. So He and Heitman should be working over time during the Offseason to get the guy up to Speed. Baas also has the Demeanor to back it up.

Pretty much the talent that we DO have on the Line has been misused for far too long. Given that the talent we have at the skill positions have been misused it makes sense that the Line is also a victim of bad coaching. We also need a freakin Line Coach that understands PoA and snap timing. It's clear to me at least that Foerster doesn't get it. If he DID get it his resume would not be filled with crap Line pedigrees. I bet I could do a better job than that schmuck. I can't see how our Line gets REPEATEDLY beaten off the ball as well as high centered by the Opposing DLinemen. But it happens in most of the games and it affects the perimeter blocking by the TEs' and RBs' cause they don't know WHO to take on as a result. If I know who my assignment is I can better protect my QB. But when you are taking on 8-9 guys and nobody knows who to block? It's a Clustergrope all the way around. You're gonna looking like a bunch of monkeys trying to impregnate a Football and no better.

~Ceadder

I agree, Staley looks more like a RT, Sims has been a beast at LT, but who's to say he can keep it up, since he's never played like this before. Chilo does look more like a LG, since he's more of a power guard, like a Larry Allen. Hopefully we can sign Mankins, and draft another LT, in case Sims goes back to the old Sims.

Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:

Originally posted by teeohh:
I don't think he has what it takes.

Why, because he is inexperienced? doesn't call plays? "hired" Raye? is black?

because his conservative philosophy cost us the season, Raye should have never been hired, we'd have Linehan but he didn't want to deal with Singletary's run run run punt vision of the offense

I just don't have faith in him. Don't tell me show me

Originally posted by teeohh:

Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:

Originally posted by teeohh:
I don't think he has what it takes.

Why, because he is inexperienced? doesn't call plays? "hired" Raye? is black?

because his conservative philosophy cost us the season, Raye should have never been hired, we'd have Linehan but he didn't want to deal with Singletary's run run run punt vision of the offense

I just don't have faith in him. Don't tell me show me

I think that Sing has shown us enough to be able to say that he is not stubborn. Like I said, IF Raye would've told Sing earlier, that this offense isn't working, he would've changed it, just like Sing changed a lot of other s**t since he's been here.

If he's so conservative why did he allow the switch to a spread? It's more Scott's fault, and Jed's fault that Raye is here, either of these guys could've said NO, and Sing wouldn't be able to do s**t about it.

Originally posted by redmanc07:

Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:

Originally posted by 9erObsession:
Once Shannahan became available Sing was going to be on a short leash. A lot of fans were torn b/w his promotion. Some dislike is warranted but I feel a lot is unwarranted because of who is available.

wtf did Shanahan do before his back-to-back SB's?

Elway and Davis were garbage, obviously Shanahan made them who they were...

He couldn't even win a playoff game after they retired, and if it wasn't for Davis he would've had 0 SB's on his resume.

A guy that took a team on his back to several superbowls was garbage? ARE YOU SERIOUS? I dont like Elway but he is better then some nobody you paint him out to be. So tell me what did Shanny do after Elway retired? Win ONE playoff game over a 10 year span. Yes lets bring that here!

Agreed! Elway was a great QB before Shanahan arrived. It was his supporting cast that kept him from winning Super Bowls.

broken promises will explain the dislike in Singletary!

Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Ummmm maybe cause he tried to stick with something a bit too long?

The Run game just isn't there coming from the Power I. An antiquated system as it is, it's even more so when you don't have a Line that can knock fools off the ball.

We would have been better served running from the spread and OCCASIONALLY going to the Power I to option, screen, reverse and Run the ball.

Maybe THAT's why all the hate on Sing?

And Sing not an X's and O's guy? I really doubt that. Because that is what made the man a HoF player. He even said it back when I was a kid that he wasn't the biggest or fastest Linebacker, but he made up for it by studying film and by looking over scout diagrams and translating that on the field.

I know that he does that for this team but like Alex I think that he has to KNOW something before he reacts. There's nothing wrong with that imho, because he does change when confronted. Nolan would NEVER have made the change to the Spread during the season. Which above any other issue hindered his coaching career. I think that Nolan will get another shot and sooner than many around here think. But Sing is learning as he goes.

Not that it will make him a HoF candidate as a HC, but it will make our team better in the long run.

Not that I agree with Sing's detractors. I just understand the process.

~Ceadder

Raye is the one who stuck with this power running offense, if Raye would've told Sing that this isn't working, I have no doubt that Sing would've changed it.

He was a defensive player, not an offensive player, there's a difference when you study on how to PREVENT the offense. If he was a QB, that wouldn't make him a great defensive minded player, would it?

He also played for the Bears, who were known for their defense not offense, so it's hard to criticize the guy for not knowing that much offense; now if our defense sucked too, then we would have a problem.

Hopefully he spends more time this offseason with the offense, and I believe he will learn from his mistakes.

ANY DAY, i'll take a great defense over a great offense, any day; history is with me on this.

OMG. Dude you're grasping at straws here.

Sing brought Raye in correct? Correct.

Sing has stated REPEATEDLY that Raye was brought in because he best understood what SING wanted. And could do that. Only AFTER the Offense approached Sing(Ummm I think they know who is calling the shots here) did Sing take a step back and reassess the Offense. Then he went to Raye and changes were made.

"He also played for the Bears" Thanks for the heads up on that. I thought he played for the Buccaneers. Good thing you told me. I can just imagine the ridicule that I would have taken had I gone with that.

In any case Bill Walsh understood the X's and O's of Defense. That wasn't his forte but he understood it. He also understood that he was better served allowing the Defensive Staff the anonymity they required to do their jobs to the best of their ability. But like he understood that Seifert did not understand that just cause he knew how to stop an Offensive play that it did not translate to success when he would send in plays during Practice and then have Steve run them in a game.

You're assuming too much based on simple common sense.

Common sense issue #1. Raye stuck to the Power I. Early on he kinda HAD to. He had a QB with the arm of a Kindergartner under Center. He did what any capable OC would have done. Send in more Run than Pass plays. Unfortunately he was stuck in a no win situation at the time.

Common sense issue #2. He could go to Sing and tell him this ain't working. Ummmm yeah I don't think so. Sing is the HNWiC. We saw what happens when Sing and an OC do not agree on fundamentals. Martz. We've also seen how Sing handles an issue DURING the season. He couldBENCH Duke cause he had two others depthwise and was stuck in a cap situation. None of this protects Raye. So no Raye could not tell Sing anything. Sing tells YOU you don't tell him. You can ask but you can't tell.

So you see this is rightly lain at Sings doorstep. I don't feel that he should be fired. I think that he WILL learn from the mistakes of this season and they will be corrected. But they were issues resulting from the stubborn Run ideologue that he had set into place during the offseason. Even still Sing is learning. Cause he is the one saying Run or Pass on the sidelines. He's not wearing a Motorloa Headset on the sidelines to be a figurehead. Especially with Manusky being ON the sidelines. It's a two way device that is meant to connect those otherwise unreachable to you.

Which would be Raye.

Nice try though. It sounded nice when you read it to yourself but there were holes in your theory.

~Ceadder

Originally posted by Norwalks_Best:
broken promises will explain the dislike in Singletary!

what are we women?

Like I said, 2 plays away from the playoffs, a batted pass by Roman, and the TD catch by VD, and everybody would be swinging on Sing's nuts; not his fault that it didn't happen. I hold the players much more accountable than I do Sing, and that's the way it should be.

People don't criticize Phil Jackson if the Lakers lose.

Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:

Originally posted by Norwalks_Best:
broken promises will explain the dislike in Singletary!

what are we women?

Like I said, 2 plays away from the playoffs, a batted pass by Roman, and the TD catch by VD, and everybody would be swinging on Sing's nuts; not his fault that it didn't happen. I hold the players much more accountable than I do Sing, and that's the way it should be.

People don't criticize Phil Jackson if the Lakers lose.

actually as a huge Lakers fan Phil Jackson is criticized alot! But again you can't compare a 10 time world champion coach to Singletary which is his first year at the helm!

No doubt I like Singletary but he shouldn't promise fans about playoffs he losses his credibility as a man, coach, and what he preaches so if I was him I will just shut up and go by what he says "don't tell me, show me"