Why the hate on Singletary?

Because some of us are not impressed with the guy at all. I've yet to be impressed with any of our victories this year and am not happy about being 8-8. His teams have come out really flat and unprepared your the coach prepare your team. He makes the dumbest personal choices and I know a lot of you claim he is so great at making adjustments... Really? I have yet to see any. I mean we were running the spread for a little bit big whoop his Offenseive philosophy is old school and will not under any circumstances thrive in todays NFL. People are so quick to hate Raye but this is Mikes offense not Rayes this is what he brought to the table in the beggining. I've heard him push the blame on his players for a lot of the loses and not one have I heard him say hey our gameplan and decisions were wrong, we did not prepare fully. No its all well if the players did this yada yada yada. I know some of it is the players but as an NFL HC and the leader of this team he has got to take blame. I really wish we had interviewed more canidates to be HC and didn't hand wrap the job for him. The owners take the easiest way out for themselves instead of caring about winning. Yes, Mikes a superior motivator and his pep talk NBA timeouts were great for the first 3 games but IMO a HC has got to know Xs and Os that's one of the most important aspects of football I mean come on man.

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
Because some of us are not impressed with the guy at all. I've yet to be impressed with any of our victories this year and am not happy about being 8-8. His teams have come out really flat and unprepared your the coach prepare your team. Me makes the dumbest personal choices and I know a lot of you claim he is so great at making adjustments... Really? I have yet to see any. I mean we were running the spread for a little bit big whoop his Offenseive philosophy is old school and will not under any circumstances thrive in todays NFL. People are so quick to hate Raye but this is Mikes offense not Rayes this is what he brought to the table in the beggining. I've heard him push the blame on his players for a lot of the loses and not one have I heard him say hey our gameplan and decisions were wrong, we did not prepare fully. No its all well if the players did this yada yada yada. I know some of it is the players but as an NFL HC and the leader of this team he has got to take blame. I really wish we had interviewed more canidates to be HC and didn't hand wrap the job for him. The owners take the easiest way out for themselves instead of caring about winning. Yes, Mikes a superior motivator and his pep talk NBA timeouts were great for the first 3 games but IMO a HC has got to know Xs and Os that's one of the most important aspects of football I mean come on man.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Originally posted by kemp_j:

Originally posted by redmanc07:

Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:

Originally posted by 9erObsession:
Once Shannahan became available Sing was going to be on a short leash. A lot of fans were torn b/w his promotion. Some dislike is warranted but I feel a lot is unwarranted because of who is available.

wtf did Shanahan do before his back-to-back SB's?

Elway and Davis were garbage, obviously Shanahan made them who they were...

He couldn't even win a playoff game after they retired, and if it wasn't for Davis he would've had 0 SB's on his resume.

A guy that took a team on his back to several superbowls was garbage? ARE YOU SERIOUS? I dont like Elway but he is better then some nobody you paint him out to be. So tell me what did Shanny do after Elway retired? Win ONE playoff game over a 10 year span. Yes lets bring that here!

Agreed! Elway was a great QB before Shanahan arrived. It was his supporting cast that kept him from winning Super Bowls.

Well he does seem to get the most from an inadequate Line. That's about the ONLY reason I would think about bringing Shannahan in to replace Sing. Our Line is crap the way it's put together right now. You only have to look at how we do in the IForm in comparison to how we do in a Shotgun/Spread Form. Defenses have gotten tougher but that shouldn't stunt the protection at the Line no matter the formation. I firmly believe our problems are Coaching and Talent per position. This is fixable. But it takes someone who can grasp the issues. Foerster can't get it done he needs to be replaced.

But I digress. You only have to look at what Shannahan did with the ENTIRE Browns Line when they swapped em. They NEVER looked that good in Cleveland. They go to Denver en masse and he has em playing at a Pro Bowl level.

~Ceadder

Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:

Originally posted by Norwalks_Best:
broken promises will explain the dislike in Singletary!

what are we women?

Like I said, 2 plays away from the playoffs, a batted pass by Roman, and the TD catch by VD, and everybody would be swinging on Sing's nuts; not his fault that it didn't happen. I hold the players much more accountable than I do Sing, and that's the way it should be.

People don't criticize Phil Jackson if the Lakers lose.

Please don't insult the few women that do come here and post by lumping them in with these crybabies. I have heard less crying in the maternity ward.

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
Because some of us are not impressed with the guy at all. I've yet to be impressed with any of our victories this year and am not happy about being 8-8. His teams have come out really flat and unprepared your the coach prepare your team. Me makes the dumbest personal choices and I know a lot of you claim he is so great at making adjustments... Really? I have yet to see any. I mean we were running the spread for a little bit big whoop his Offenseive philosophy is old school and will not under any circumstances thrive in todays NFL. People are so quick to hate Raye but this is Mikes offense not Rayes this is what he brought to the table in the beggining. I've heard him push the blame on his players for a lot of the loses and not one have I heard him say hey our gameplan and decisions were wrong, we did not prepare fully. No its all well if the players did this yada yada yada. I know some of it is the players but as an NFL HC and the leader of this team he has got to take blame. I really wish we had interviewed more canidates to be HC and didn't hand wrap the job for him. The owners take the easiest way out for themselves instead of caring about winning. Yes, Mikes a superior motivator and his pep talk NBA timeouts were great for the first 3 games but IMO a HC has got to know Xs and Os that's one of the most important aspects of football I mean come on man.

You don't listen to KNBR much do you?

Coach breaks it down pretty well in the times I've heard him the day after a Win OR a Loss. And M&M don't soft pitch questions at him either.

~Ceadder

Originally posted by susweel:
Sing is a good coach, he just has a bum at QB.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:

Originally posted by Norwalks_Best:
broken promises will explain the dislike in Singletary!

what are we women?

Like I said, 2 plays away from the playoffs, a batted pass by Roman, and the TD catch by VD, and everybody would be swinging on Sing's nuts; not his fault that it didn't happen. I hold the players much more accountable than I do Sing, and that's the way it should be.

People don't criticize Phil Jackson if the Lakers lose.

Please don't insult the few women that do come here and post by lumping them in with these crybabies. I have heard less crying in the maternity ward.

Wasn't trying to insult the women that post here, I was just stereotyping

Originally posted by calinig4life:

Originally posted by susweel:
Sing is a good coach, he just has a bum at QB.

Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:

Originally posted by teeohh:

Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:

Originally posted by teeohh:
I don't think he has what it takes.

Why, because he is inexperienced? doesn't call plays? "hired" Raye? is black?

because his conservative philosophy cost us the season, Raye should have never been hired, we'd have Linehan but he didn't want to deal with Singletary's run run run punt vision of the offense

I just don't have faith in him. Don't tell me show me

I think that Sing has shown us enough to be able to say that he is not stubborn. Like I said, IF Raye would've told Sing earlier, that this offense isn't working, he would've changed it, just like Sing changed a lot of other s**t since he's been here.

If he's so conservative why did he allow the switch to a spread? It's more Scott's fault, and Jed's fault that Raye is here, either of these guys could've said NO, and Sing wouldn't be able to do s**t about it.

He would have had an all out mutiny on his hands had he not done something to jump start the Offense. That's why.

I know I'm not the ONLY person to notice that there were a couple times where he all but lost the Offense as well as the Defense. The Defense has spent an INSANE amount of time in pads this season. Not just games but in practice. It was like being in Training Camp for 3 Months for the Defense. All the constant 3 and outs took their toll on the team psyche. If he didn't change it up, the team would have pretty much mailed it in if it would have been business as usual after the change to Smith who has a stronger Passing Arm than Hill.

I know that I'm not the only one that sees this.

~Ceadder

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:

Originally posted by teeohh:

Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:

Originally posted by teeohh:
I don't think he has what it takes.

Why, because he is inexperienced? doesn't call plays? "hired" Raye? is black?

because his conservative philosophy cost us the season, Raye should have never been hired, we'd have Linehan but he didn't want to deal with Singletary's run run run punt vision of the offense

I just don't have faith in him. Don't tell me show me

I think that Sing has shown us enough to be able to say that he is not stubborn. Like I said, IF Raye would've told Sing earlier, that this offense isn't working, he would've changed it, just like Sing changed a lot of other s**t since he's been here.

If he's so conservative why did he allow the switch to a spread? It's more Scott's fault, and Jed's fault that Raye is here, either of these guys could've said NO, and Sing wouldn't be able to do s**t about it.

He would have had an all out mutiny on his hands had he not done something to jump start the Offense. That's why.

I know I'm not the ONLY person to notice that there were a couple times where he all but lost the Offense as well as the Defense. The Defense has spent an INSANE amount of time in pads this season. Not just games but in practice. It was like being in Training Camp for 3 Months for the Defense. All the constant 3 and outs took their toll on the team psyche. If he didn't change it up, the team would have pretty much mailed it in if it would have been business as usual after the change to Smith who has a stronger Passing Arm than Hill.

I know that I'm not the only one that sees this.

~Ceadder

Well, doesn't that make him a better coach for listening to his players?

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by calinig4life:

Originally posted by susweel:
Sing is a good coach, he just has a bum at QB.

you sound the same way when you hate coach sign.

Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:

Originally posted by teeohh:

Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:

Originally posted by teeohh:
I don't think he has what it takes.

Why, because he is inexperienced? doesn't call plays? "hired" Raye? is black?

because his conservative philosophy cost us the season, Raye should have never been hired, we'd have Linehan but he didn't want to deal with Singletary's run run run punt vision of the offense

I just don't have faith in him. Don't tell me show me

I think that Sing has shown us enough to be able to say that he is not stubborn. Like I said, IF Raye would've told Sing earlier, that this offense isn't working, he would've changed it, just like Sing changed a lot of other s**t since he's been here.

If he's so conservative why did he allow the switch to a spread? It's more Scott's fault, and Jed's fault that Raye is here, either of these guys could've said NO, and Sing wouldn't be able to do s**t about it.

He would have had an all out mutiny on his hands had he not done something to jump start the Offense. That's why.

I know I'm not the ONLY person to notice that there were a couple times where he all but lost the Offense as well as the Defense. The Defense has spent an INSANE amount of time in pads this season. Not just games but in practice. It was like being in Training Camp for 3 Months for the Defense. All the constant 3 and outs took their toll on the team psyche. If he didn't change it up, the team would have pretty much mailed it in if it would have been business as usual after the change to Smith who has a stronger Passing Arm than Hill.

I know that I'm not the only one that sees this.

~Ceadder

Well, doesn't that make him a better coach for listening to his players?

Sorry but you don't get it both ways. You took the tact that he had no choice if Jed and Scott wanted Raye. But reality is that Sing wanted Raye. Based on that he knew more about Martz Offense and coould do what SING wanted and that was the Power Run game. You also reminded me that he played for the Bears. A team that had success with the Power Run. Remember Fridge Perry? So that was HIS baby not Raye's. If he wanted to get rid of Raye, I think that 5 consecutive losses could have swung that. With the blessings of Scott AND Jed had Sing thought it was Raye's performance as the OC that was hindering things.

So while I agree with what you mean, your argument is invalid. And I've giving you reasonable arguments as to how it is invalid.

I'll say it yet again for those who are not clear on this. I do not believe that Sing should be fired. He tried something and it did not work. That's to be expected from a Rookie HC. I pointed out before the season even started that we were going to hamstring this team if Shaun Started under Center. Even pointed out that while Alex was not spectacular in Preseason that he had shown that he could do more with the ball than Shaun could ever dream of. Especially in the Run first oriented Offense. Smith does a pretty damn good job selling the Run. As well as delivering the ball on the exchange. So it only made sense to go with Alex over Shaun. That move was Raye's only in that he didn't have alot of time with the man that should have been the incumbent to begin with.

Now that said I think that Raye is to blame in that he could have been a little more imaginative on the calls. Sing knows Run Pass Draw Pitch etc. Raye knows the playbook. Or at least he damn well better know it anyway.

So working within Sing's Offensive motto he could have run alot of plays but then we're right back to a Line that couldn't blow a Defensive Line of Campfire Girls off the ball let alone protect the QB from them.

~Ceadder

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:

Originally posted by teeohh:

Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:

Originally posted by teeohh:
I don't think he has what it takes.

Why, because he is inexperienced? doesn't call plays? "hired" Raye? is black?

because his conservative philosophy cost us the season, Raye should have never been hired, we'd have Linehan but he didn't want to deal with Singletary's run run run punt vision of the offense

I just don't have faith in him. Don't tell me show me

I think that Sing has shown us enough to be able to say that he is not stubborn. Like I said, IF Raye would've told Sing earlier, that this offense isn't working, he would've changed it, just like Sing changed a lot of other s**t since he's been here.

If he's so conservative why did he allow the switch to a spread? It's more Scott's fault, and Jed's fault that Raye is here, either of these guys could've said NO, and Sing wouldn't be able to do s**t about it.

He would have had an all out mutiny on his hands had he not done something to jump start the Offense. That's why.

I know I'm not the ONLY person to notice that there were a couple times where he all but lost the Offense as well as the Defense. The Defense has spent an INSANE amount of time in pads this season. Not just games but in practice. It was like being in Training Camp for 3 Months for the Defense. All the constant 3 and outs took their toll on the team psyche. If he didn't change it up, the team would have pretty much mailed it in if it would have been business as usual after the change to Smith who has a stronger Passing Arm than Hill.

I know that I'm not the only one that sees this.

~Ceadder

Well, doesn't that make him a better coach for listening to his players?

Sorry but you don't get it both ways. You took the tact that he had no choice if Jed and Scott wanted Raye. But reality is that Sing wanted Raye. Based on that he knew more about Martz Offense and coould do what SING wanted and that was the Power Run game. You also reminded me that he played for the Bears. A team that had success with the Power Run. Remember Fridge Perry? So that was HIS baby not Raye's. If he wanted to get rid of Raye, I think that 5 consecutive losses could have swung that. With the blessings of Scott AND Jed had Sing thought it was Raye's performance as the OC that was hindering things.

So while I agree with what you mean, your argument is invalid. And I've giving you reasonable arguments as to how it is invalid.

I'll say it yet again for those who are not clear on this. I do not believe that Sing should be fired. He tried something and it did not work. That's to be expected from a Rookie HC. I pointed out before the season even started that we were going to hamstring this team if Shaun Started under Center. Even pointed out that while Alex was not spectacular in Preseason that he had shown that he could do more with the ball than Shaun could ever dream of. Especially in the Run first oriented Offense. Smith does a pretty damn good job selling the Run. As well as delivering the ball on the exchange. So it only made sense to go with Alex over Shaun. That move was Raye's only in that he didn't have alot of time with the man that should have been the incumbent to begin with.

Now that said I think that Raye is to blame in that he could have been a little more imaginative on the calls. Sing knows Run Pass Draw Pitch etc. Raye knows the playbook. Or at least he damn well better know it anyway.

So working within Sing's Offensive motto he could have run alot of plays but then we're right back to a Line that couldn't blow a Defensive Line of Campfire Girls off the ball let alone protect the QB from them.

~Ceadder

I understand that Sing had no choice but to switch the style, I'm not giving him full credit for that. Yes, he should've known better than to use a power running style with this s**tty OL, but that's were his inexperience came into play, which is forgivable, like you said.

But, why are people so afraid of a power running game? Steelers won the SB with a power running game, Giants won the SB with a power running game, and not too long ago Raves won the SB with a power running game. Now, if we have the same OL next year (which I doubt) and he decides to do the same crap, then go ahead and bash the guy and call for his head, but I believe it's to early for that.

We are too concerned about keeping a tradition, than actually winning games. With the right OL, we could win the SB thanks to our defense, and a power running game, you don't need a flashy passing offense (that rarely works, even the Colts had to rely on their defense to win).

If next year we get the right OL, I have no problem going to a power running game again, Alex should learn how to takes snaps from under center, not only from the shotgun. I rather find a QB who can do that, than start the whole offense from scratch around Alex.

Originally posted by calinig4life:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by calinig4life:

Originally posted by susweel:
Sing is a good coach, he just has a bum at QB.

you sound the same way when you hate coach sign.

I don't hate anyone, just pointing out the broken record that is Susweel. You can pretty much guarantee his post will be negative every time.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by calinig4life:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by calinig4life:

Originally posted by susweel:
Sing is a good coach, he just has a bum at QB.

you sound the same way when you hate coach sign.

I don't hate anyone, just pointing out the broken record that is SanDiego49er. You can pretty much guarantee his post will be negative every time.

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