Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Jersey9er:
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Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by jta854:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
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I see a vague similarity in terms of career trajectory, but the similarities end there imo.
Brees found success by adapting to NFL offenses. To this point, Alex has only found success when the offense is adapted to him.
LOL. Do you even watch the games? The entire New Orleans offense is adapted to Drew Brees. That's what good teams do. Play to thier players strengths. Stupid teams like ours play to their players weaknesses for 4 1/2 years and finally figure out gee maybe Alex in the spread is a good idea...
The New Orleans offense is very much spread and shotgun and they brought in tons of elite weapons over the years in the draft, FA, trade and all kinds of ways just for Brees. Everything they have built and established was to fit Brees comfort zone.
Well said.
Drew Brees found success in San Diego playing in an offense built around LT. I would say its ironic that someone from San Diego would know so little about Drew Brees, but you rarely make lucid comments, so this really doesn't surprise me.
And its pretty ridiculous to compare our adoption of the spread offense to teams like NO, Indy, or NE building around their QB's. All those teams went in those directions because their QB's are among the best to ever play, and all of those QB's can function under center. We adopted the spread because Alex can't function under center. They "played to a strength", while we ran from a weakness. Again, a glaringly obvious difference that you seemed to have missed (not that I'm surprised).
LOL...wow....
I don't think NO built the spread because Brees was "among the best to ever play". They did it because it worked for them.
The Niners didn't switch because Smith can't operate under center. They switched because he played SO WELL when they were playing from behind in Houston and Green Bay (450 + yards and 6 TDs in 4 quarters of play). The offensive players ASKED Singletary and Raye to make the switch and they have been very successful in the past two weeks.
Smith has had two of his best passing performances in the past two weeks. He's thrown for nearly 600 yards, 4 TDs, 0 INTs and if not for drops could easily have 3 more TDs.
I think people may need to start giving Smith a chance...lol. Very few on this board are saying that Smith is a slam dunk Pro Bowl QB. We are just saying he is starting to play well and it may be time to think that he may just turn this thing around.
We are giving him a chance and actually are accepting him as becoming a good starter, but to compare his path to Brees' path is not correct.
Brees threw for 4,418 yards in his first year in NO. Remember, he is now with a new OC and an entirely new offense all together. I don't believe Smith does this.
So, Brees lights it up and now the coach thinks this guy is good so let's do something so he throws even more and there we have the spread.
With Smith it was, Man this guy sucks in this but he's good in this so let's do it.
Everything we are doing for Smith is because he sucks in everything else that is tried with him. Everything NO does with Brees, Colts do with Manning, and Pats do with Brady is because they want to make what's already good even better, not because they can't do anything else well.
OK, we can stop talking now.
Thats simply insane. Your saying that the Niners said to themselves, "Ya know what? Our QB really sucks, so lets have him drop back and throw the ball 45 times per game. Lets take the ball out of our Pro Bowl RBs hands and give it to this guy who really blows chunks".
I'm done with this Joe, you are unconvincable...lol. ;-)
You misunderstood. I didn't say he sucks. I said he has when put in certain situations he has sucked whereas those other QBs have succeeded in almost all situations they were put in which is where the comparison ends. Those QBs are allowed to do what they do because, in a way, they have proven they can do everything else and they have proven that THEY should be allowed to take over games.
Alex Smith is allowed to do what he did this year because we had no other choice...all else failed...down by 21...down by 20...running game...you name it.
We were just lucky that Alex played well when given this chance because if that didn't work out, we would need a new QB unlike Brees or Manning...their teams would have just done something else that those QBs do well.
Actually no offense, but I think we were lucky to have Alex when Hill couldnt continue with the job. We have to be able to let go of the past. Lets count full seasons. 06, and now right. After almost 2 years of sitting. Then comes in and produces more TD's than our beginning of the year starter.
One thing, you also fail to realize. And it's funny cuz i agree with Raye. U bring up when we were down. However, down or not, loose defense or not, not too many qb's score 3 straight TD's when down, Except maybe Brees, Manning, Brady, and a few others. But the one thing that does separate them, is that every week, you dont hear those saying, if the WR would of caught those passes.
So im not even touching the Smith and Brees comparison. But the way you talk, you speak as if the team was like Damn, Hill cant get the job done, so who we got left, f**k, Smith then. Yeah lets put him in. Nah, the best thing that happened is that he was able to sit, and see the good points and bad points of HIll's game, and learn. He did that, and one thing u also dont mention. The WR core is actually putting up numbers. Consistently over 10-15 yards.
And one more thing, u said that what makes them good is that you can put the game on their shoulders and they'll win it. Maybe you also missed where Sing said to Smith, win it for us, and even ALL writers pointed it out. Smith led them down the entire field on two different occasions only to have a drop in the endzone, and a fumble. So i will say this, im not comparing any of those qb's to Smith, because he's gonna be his own QB. However, i dont see those other QB's you mentioned driving their teams down the field on two occasions, to have 1 of their stars drop a TD for the second week, and your #1 star fumble when it's crunch time.
Singletary has said that to Hill also, so what a coach tells his QB in desperate times doesn't really mean anything, especially when what he says to do is blatantly obvious.
So, if Smith doesn't succeed in the "spread" then what? That's what I'm trying to say. If Brees didn't work out in a "spread", then they just take a step back and do what else he did well. Can't say the same for Smith.
The team was like Damn, all else has failed, let's put Smith in. Otherwise, Smith would have started that game. That's what happened with Hill last year. All else failed with JTO so I guess they REALLY though Hill was the man. Alex only got his chance because all else had failed. On top of that, he only got his chance in the spread because we couldn't run it and he wasn't showing positive signs by dropping back.
Why do people still forget the TEN game? Alex threw 40 times and he sucked. At that time, the excuse was that Alex needs the spread. We got knocked out of the playoffs because he's non-functional unless put in very specific conditions. You can't say that about those other QBs, even when they were young and struggling, which is why there is no comparison.
Oh ok, so now what a coach says to his QB means nothing now. I got ya brotha. U know what i say to that. I dont know how old you are but take a quote from the movie Friday, "Stimulate your Mind Craig". Well i think u need a little stimulation in that head of yours. See i notice with you, u pick out specifics, instead of looking at improvement over the course.
Just saying, u always go to one game, one series, one half. I mean whats wrong with you looking at Alex as a whole, and just giving him credit and saying he's come a long way, and is playing better than he has in his entire career.
I'm just saying, why all the negative pointings out. How come you cant say anything positive about him.
