Originally posted by ZRF80:Originally posted by bret:Originally posted by Joecool:Originally posted by Jersey9er:Originally posted by Joecool:Originally posted by Jersey9er:Originally posted by Joecool:
I will take the word of a guy who watches countless coach's film over any report who only watches live game and looks at stats and Chris Carter.
Merril Hodge said Alex doesn't have it. This guy analyzes games more than anyone and is very credibile. Jaws seems to believe that Alex is missing a lot of things also.
However, our key issues are this:
1. QB
2. OL (mainly injuries)
3. Edge Rusher
And dont forget Cool, the number one factor. You completely despise AS. So.
No, I am one who understand the fact that the key reason we keep standing still in terms of wins for the last 5 years has been QB, but no one sees the fact that we are asking a WHOLE lot from 21 players on the team including all coaches to accomodate one player who has been in this league for 5 years.
Isn't that what we used to say about Shaun Hill? He's been in the league for 5 years so you get what you see?
Same thing goes for Manny Lawson.
See what i mean thats what im saying, and just think about what im saying. Here it is second half of the season. And YOUR STILL BRINGING HILL INTO CONVERSATIONS.
I mean this is a forum, and ur right to ur own opinion as am I, however, I mean u just keep knocking on this Hill thing. I mean it's worse than those that STILL TALK ABOUT bringin in Davis.
And one thing u are forgetting. There are 21 other players on the team, and your the only one focusing on one. he doesnt play D, so how is that effecting them. When they dont stop on 3 and outs, that aint Alex its the D. When a receiver doesnt get open, it's the WR. Now dont get me wrong, he is no one near perfect, however, YOUR THE ONE every week, just pointin out Alex things of negativity. You never talk about how bad the oline is, how bad the d is sometimes. Every week in and week out, YOU YOURSELF actually make it about one person. so in that sense that why i say what i do, cause u have yet to adress a team issue. Its always a personal issue with smith. Thats what im saying, and i dont know why it's there.
I only bring up the QB because teams around the league get by with these other issues but rarely does a team get by with a QB that isn't effective making mistakes. Look at DET, their OL sucked yet their QB still does good things. There are manny teams with subpar OL who still have success on offense. No one will get until we have a probowl offense and still can't mister up a consistent passing game. We had a dominating OL in 2006 but our coaches couldn't figure out how to hide Kwame by giving him help which is why strategy plays a big factor also. Fact is, be it Hill or Smith, our passing game has rarely helped us control a game.
What kool-aid are you drinking? Our offensive line was terrible in '06. We were the three-and-out kings. Yes Frank Gore broke off quite a few big runs. (Take away the time Gore missed this year with injuries and he'd be pretty close to '06, but a few big runs doesn't a consistent run game make!) But there were lots of stuffed up running plays just like this year and the pass blocking was horrible!
I agree with your basic point, just not your rose-colored glasses about the past.
Ummm.......hello ? We had a lot of 3-and-outs in 2006 because of ALEX SMITH, not because of our line ! You just answered your own question. No production on offense in 06 with a good oline. No production in offense in 09 with a poor oline. Both teams have a decent Frank Gore. Common denominator in all this: ALEX SMITH.
Way to be. You just used basic algebra to solve an equation.
We were 16th in sacks in '06, but we were 30th in pass attempts in '06. So I hardly think that's a big endorsement for the line.
I'm not arguing with you about Alex Smith. I don't think he's the answer either. But people look back to '06 when we were mediocre at best (if you think 7-9 and 26th on offense is more than that you're delusional), and the offense was frankly offensive. Yes, Gore had a gaudy yards-per-carry average and the running attack was ranked 6th. But there were so many times we went three and out with two runs into the middle of the line, and then a pass on 3rd and long (often made longer by holding or a Kwame false start), that I really can't buy the theory that the o-line was good. Maybe a little better than this year's version, but that's not saying very much.
The Niners, after all, were only too glad to get rid of Larry Allen, John Smiley (who's no longer starting in Miami, btw), and Kwame. And I think they were probably ready to be rid of Jonas even back then! If the line was that good, we probably would have been trying to keep the components together.