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Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:

It's a civil war amongst us. Smith backers are not more loyal than the Smith haters/bashers, realists, whatever you call us. We expect more than what we have been given by this franchise lately. That includes Smith.

Smith has to prove us wrong. For the sake of the team, I hope he can. It's time to be above average. No more up and down games. Everything is there.

Why does all of the blame fall on Smith? If the OL isn't giving him 3 seconds... if the receivers can't catch what is in their hands... why is that always dumped on the QB?

( not being a d!ck about this... just asking )
Originally posted by SJniner7:
Originally posted by PTulini:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by Jersey9er:


1. Jerry Rice- If your a WR and the ball comes in your direction, i dont care if it comes down side ways u catch it. I use this because i'll say this, since Young and Garcia played QB, a lot of our players have had TONS of drops. Whether it was HIll, Smith, JTO, passing the ball, but we take this fact lightly for some reason.

2. Even in the days we had Rattay, and Rashaun Woods, and im sure a few others u guys know who didnt do squat. I've never heard of any teams die hard fans attacking any of our players verbally in any manner as i have since i first joined the zone. Now dont get me wrong, have opinions, show frustration, and even get a little crazy, definitely. But to bash one player, and make it all about one player, never seen that like in here.

3. Favre, Montana, Young... While watching all their interviews, and just like Brett said yesterday, yeah we have have tons of guys with talent, but if we cant all come together co-hesively, and be on the same page, then we cant win. I have to do my part, but they also have to as well for us to be successful. Winning teams have everything in place to make it work.
Really? Not according to the zone. With some of us, it's all about the QB, and nothing else. QB aint right, we fail. But u have SB champ Dilfer, etc. Sanchez played ok last year, but had they not had the no 1. running offense and top defense, u still think, theyd be in the post-season???????


This whole post was a thing of beauty, jersey, so I won't quote it all to say, .

I completely agree. I think Alex Smith gets overly criticized around here. One bad pass, or one dropped ball, and his are magnified. Yes, there is a lot of heat and expectations that come along with being a #1 overall pick in the draft, but if you put anyone else in Alex's same situation, I guarantee you that they struggle just the same way!

I think part of our problem (most of us as fans) is that we were spoiled by two decades of success, and by having two Hall of Fame QBs. We hold our QBs to a much higher standard than any other franchise in the NFL. From day one, whomever our QB is, he's automatically awarded as our next great QB. Those are high expectations, sometimes unreachable by anyone! I want to win just as much as anyone here, but there are times when people here get out of hand with it.

I think most look at the reality of the situation. If it takes 6 years for a QB to finally have a decent year, then it may never be possible. I, for one, am just tired of waiting for Smith to succeed. To give so much patience, following injury, average performances, etc., I think we are entitled to expect more from the starting QB.

This is a society that, for the most part, lives in the now. Smith doesn't satisfy our desire to be good NOW (well, maybe this year he does, but not the past 5 years in the league), therefore many are growing impatient with him. I sure hope he does well, since I would love to finally make the playoffs. But if he falters, I expect that he would walk after this year and never be heard from again...

I agree
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Originally posted by dtcomposer:
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Originally posted by BHulman:
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Originally posted by dtcomposer:
To BillBird


This is such an old argument. Just because you say that you want Alex to do well doesn't mean anything.

For an example: The Seattle Game where Smith had perhaps his best game. Go back and look at the comments. The "ACP" or whatever people are calling the haters these days, for the most part, harped on the last throw, or said "he's only had one 300 yd game now" etc.

You see that since the ACP's (and the Alexcusionists or whatever they are called) are both emotionally invested in Alex's Success or failure for personal/ pride/ validation reasons, they interpret things with a bias. That is the problem. So what some on here are saying is that it doesn't matter what Smith does well (again as evidenced by the Seattle game last year) The ACP's will focus on any negatives to make themselves feel like their view is correct. While on the other hand the real hard core Alexcusionists will do the same thing by over-looking his faults. IT is so funny when somebody from one faction calls out the other - like you just did - for doing something that they themselves are promulgating in posts all the time.

To DTComposer:

RE: Alex Smith

Response: BULL

I personally don't believe Alex had one good game last year. He had some average games. He had some below average games. And -- in others -- he just sucked.

I hope you're not referring to the game AT Seattle. If you call this "good quarterbacking," then we will never agree on this point. Heck -- I don't think we'd agree on what's black and what's white.

Good quarterbacks do not have games like Alex had against the Bears -- in front of the home crowd. Good quarterbacks take advantage of their counterparts when they throw five interceptions in one game. Good quarterbacks turn a five-pick game into blowouts.

Good quarterbacks do not play the Rams to a first half tie during the last game of the regular season.

Did you miss those games? And you're calling me biased? Really?

I think you just made his point. He didn't have a "good" game versus Houston? Jacksonville? Really? If you don't think Smith had a "good" game up in Seattle than your defination of "good" seems more like "superior" to me.

This isn't an argument over how I want my steak cooked! How many definitions of Alexcuse play are you using? Rare? Medium Rare? Medium? Medium Well? Well Done?

There are two descriptions of play in my book: well and not well.

Alex has failed to take this team to a playoff berth -- hell he hasn't even had us in a playoff hunt -- in FIVE YEARS.

To me: that qualifies his play as: NOT WELL.

I am really happy that we have people in charge right now who will accept only one outcome: playoffs. Period. End of story. No excuses. Playoffs. Perhaps even a division title. Dare to dream?

I don't think Alex can get us there. I haven't seen any indication or any sign that proves otherwise. I know there are others in this thread who appear to be just fine with giving Alex six years -- seven -- eight -- nine or ten without seeing or experiencing any tangible results whatsoever.

BUT I AIN'T ONE OF THEM.

I really think that you either realized that you were destroyed in your little rant

Yeah man, you toasted me but good. All Alex all the way. I can see now that Alex can do no wrong.

I've just gotta stop with them negative waves.

Why are there more and more posters on here concerned with "destroying someone" instead of talking football?

Don't act like you guys came to this thread to talk football. Can't talk football with you guys because you are totally unreasonable and don't know enough about football to even have a decent conversation with. Anyone with any sense can see what you guys agenda is, and it has more to do with bashing the starting QB than talking football. Look at it this way, this year either we win with Smith or you guys will have to move on to the next player on the roster you choose to dislike for whatever bulls**t reason you want to make up.

The only thing destroyed in this thread is the credibility of people that deal only in absolutes, and say ignorant things like "Smith has never done anything" or "he will never be any good". Not one of you football geniuses is clairvoyant, sometimes I wonder if the term cogent even applies. It seems to me you guys are more invested in Smith than the guys that hope for him to succeed, you certainly seem obsessed with blaming one person for a teams shortcomings. Personally I don't care who the QB as long as he doesn't cost us games, but I know however you declaim it, you will never be happy unless Smith fails miserably so you can happily claim to be right while we watch other teams advance in the playoffs. It must be a miserable existence to be such a person.
Why do people constantly bring up Rodgers? Obviously he's a better QB by now given his circumstances. You look foolish.

What did you think? Sitting behind a HOFer, having the same coordinators and coaches, continuity, and awesome wideouts would create a crappy QB??
Originally posted by PTulini:
Originally posted by SJniner7:
Originally posted by PTulini:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by Jersey9er:


1. Jerry Rice- If your a WR and the ball comes in your direction, i dont care if it comes down side ways u catch it. I use this because i'll say this, since Young and Garcia played QB, a lot of our players have had TONS of drops. Whether it was HIll, Smith, JTO, passing the ball, but we take this fact lightly for some reason.

2. Even in the days we had Rattay, and Rashaun Woods, and im sure a few others u guys know who didnt do squat. I've never heard of any teams die hard fans attacking any of our players verbally in any manner as i have since i first joined the zone. Now dont get me wrong, have opinions, show frustration, and even get a little crazy, definitely. But to bash one player, and make it all about one player, never seen that like in here.

3. Favre, Montana, Young... While watching all their interviews, and just like Brett said yesterday, yeah we have have tons of guys with talent, but if we cant all come together co-hesively, and be on the same page, then we cant win. I have to do my part, but they also have to as well for us to be successful. Winning teams have everything in place to make it work.
Really? Not according to the zone. With some of us, it's all about the QB, and nothing else. QB aint right, we fail. But u have SB champ Dilfer, etc. Sanchez played ok last year, but had they not had the no 1. running offense and top defense, u still think, theyd be in the post-season???????


This whole post was a thing of beauty, jersey, so I won't quote it all to say, .

I completely agree. I think Alex Smith gets overly criticized around here. One bad pass, or one dropped ball, and his are magnified. Yes, there is a lot of heat and expectations that come along with being a #1 overall pick in the draft, but if you put anyone else in Alex's same situation, I guarantee you that they struggle just the same way!

I think part of our problem (most of us as fans) is that we were spoiled by two decades of success, and by having two Hall of Fame QBs. We hold our QBs to a much higher standard than any other franchise in the NFL. From day one, whomever our QB is, he's automatically awarded as our next great QB. Those are high expectations, sometimes unreachable by anyone! I want to win just as much as anyone here, but there are times when people here get out of hand with it.

I think most look at the reality of the situation. If it takes 6 years for a QB to finally have a decent year, then it may never be possible. I, for one, am just tired of waiting for Smith to succeed. To give so much patience, following injury, average performances, etc., I think we are entitled to expect more from the starting QB.

This is a society that, for the most part, lives in the now. Smith doesn't satisfy our desire to be good NOW (well, maybe this year he does, but not the past 5 years in the league), therefore many are growing impatient with him. I sure hope he does well, since I would love to finally make the playoffs. But if he falters, I expect that he would walk after this year and never be heard from again...

I agree

I agree too, but to be honest, you can't really disagree with that statement. We all know its make or break for Smith.

So by seasons end, he will either be unemployed or our entrenched starter.
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:

It's a civil war amongst us. Smith backers are not more loyal than the Smith haters/bashers, realists, whatever you call us. We expect more than what we have been given by this franchise lately. That includes Smith.

Smith has to prove us wrong. For the sake of the team, I hope he can. It's time to be above average. No more up and down games. Everything is there.

Why does all of the blame fall on Smith? If the OL isn't giving him 3 seconds... if the receivers can't catch what is in their hands... why is that always dumped on the QB?

( not being a d!ck about this... just asking )

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/members/post-edit.php?id=3918587

Read the last post on that page
Alex Smith inherited a team that was 2-14 the year before and statistically one of the worst teams all time.

Aaron Rodgers inherited a team that went to the NFC championship game the year before.

Not exactly apples to apples.
Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:

It's a civil war amongst us. Smith backers are not more loyal than the Smith haters/bashers, realists, whatever you call us. We expect more than what we have been given by this franchise lately. That includes Smith.

Smith has to prove us wrong. For the sake of the team, I hope he can. It's time to be above average. No more up and down games. Everything is there.

Why does all of the blame fall on Smith? If the OL isn't giving him 3 seconds... if the receivers can't catch what is in their hands... why is that always dumped on the QB?

( not being a d!ck about this... just asking )

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/members/post-edit.php?id=3918587

Read the last post on that page

For whatever reason, that link isn't working for me. No biggie... if it's not worth summarizing, I'll manage...
Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:
Alex Smith inherited a team that was 2-14 the year before and statistically one of the worst teams all time.

Aaron Rodgers inherited a team that went to the NFC championship game the year before.

Not exactly apples to apples.

True,

So now that both teams have good skill positions, defenses, and (ample) O-lines, we can actually compare the two. I do hope Smith does well, and would consider myself an Alex bandwagoner, but he's not going to put up Rodgers' numbers this year.
Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:

It's a civil war amongst us. Smith backers are not more loyal than the Smith haters/bashers, realists, whatever you call us. We expect more than what we have been given by this franchise lately. That includes Smith.

Smith has to prove us wrong. For the sake of the team, I hope he can. It's time to be above average. No more up and down games. Everything is there.

Why does all of the blame fall on Smith? If the OL isn't giving him 3 seconds... if the receivers can't catch what is in their hands... why is that always dumped on the QB?

( not being a d!ck about this... just asking )

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/members/post-edit.php?id=3918587

Read the last post on that page

Link Fail.
Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:
Alex Smith inherited a team that was 2-14 the year before and statistically one of the worst teams all time.

Aaron Rodgers inherited a team that went to the NFC championship game the year before.

Not exactly apples to apples.

Wrong.
03 Car vs. Phi
04 Phi vs. ATl
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:

It's a civil war amongst us. Smith backers are not more loyal than the Smith haters/bashers, realists, whatever you call us. We expect more than what we have been given by this franchise lately. That includes Smith.

Smith has to prove us wrong. For the sake of the team, I hope he can. It's time to be above average. No more up and down games. Everything is there.

Why does all of the blame fall on Smith? If the OL isn't giving him 3 seconds... if the receivers can't catch what is in their hands... why is that always dumped on the QB?

( not being a d!ck about this... just asking )

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/members/post-edit.php?id=3918587

Read the last post on that page

For whatever reason, that link isn't working for me. No biggie... if it's not worth summarizing, I'll manage...

Despite being 3rd in the NFL in passer rating, Aaron Rodgers had more dropped passes (45) by his receivers than any other QB had. But JaMarcus Russell had the highest percentage of his pass attempts dropped (10.5%) than any other player. Not surprisingly, Darrius Heyward-Bey led the NFL in lowest catch % as he caught only 23.7% of passes thrown to him.

http://stats-dont-lie.blogspot.com/2010/01/random-notes-from-2009-nfl-season.html


All I hear is how Alex has his passes dropped. Didn't seem to bother Aaron Rodger's having a career year with arguably the worst offensive line in the NFL last year.
Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:
Alex Smith inherited a team that was 2-14 the year before and statistically one of the worst teams all time.

Aaron Rodgers inherited a team that went to the NFC championship game the year before.

Not exactly apples to apples.

This, and you guys that talk about the last 6 years of him not doing anything. WTH? You guys can't be serious, that's just plain haterism right there. Check NFL.com and find out how many games he started for us in 2008 and 2007. Then go find out what team you're really rooting for while you're on there, because it can't be the 9ers.
Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:
Alex Smith inherited a team that was 2-14 the year before and statistically one of the worst teams all time.

Aaron Rodgers inherited a team that went to the NFC championship game the year before.

Not exactly apples to apples.

Wrong.
03 Car vs. Phi
04 Phi vs. ATl

It took me a second to understand your reference. Your interpretation of "inherit" is the issue. He was drafted in 2005, but he didn't become the starter until 2008 the year after the Packers were in the NFC Championship game.
Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:


Despite being 3rd in the NFL in passer rating, Aaron Rodgers had more dropped passes (45) by his receivers than any other QB had. But JaMarcus Russell had the highest percentage of his pass attempts dropped (10.5%) than any other player. Not surprisingly, Darrius Heyward-Bey led the NFL in lowest catch % as he caught only 23.7% of passes thrown to him.

http://stats-dont-lie.blogspot.com/2010/01/random-notes-from-2009-nfl-season.html


All I hear is how Alex has his passes dropped. Didn't seem to bother Aaron Rodger's having a career year with arguably the worst offensive line in the NFL last year.

It is not always an issue of how many passes get dropped... but which passes get dropped. That still doesn't address the OL issues, and still overlooks the development differences from silver-spoon fed Rodgers VS abused orphan Smith.
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