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Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Originally posted by dtcomposer:
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Originally posted by BHulman:
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Originally posted by dtcomposer:
To BillBird


This is such an old argument. Just because you say that you want Alex to do well doesn't mean anything.

For an example: The Seattle Game where Smith had perhaps his best game. Go back and look at the comments. The "ACP" or whatever people are calling the haters these days, for the most part, harped on the last throw, or said "he's only had one 300 yd game now" etc.

You see that since the ACP's (and the Alexcusionists or whatever they are called) are both emotionally invested in Alex's Success or failure for personal/ pride/ validation reasons, they interpret things with a bias. That is the problem. So what some on here are saying is that it doesn't matter what Smith does well (again as evidenced by the Seattle game last year) The ACP's will focus on any negatives to make themselves feel like their view is correct. While on the other hand the real hard core Alexcusionists will do the same thing by over-looking his faults. IT is so funny when somebody from one faction calls out the other - like you just did - for doing something that they themselves are promulgating in posts all the time.

To DTComposer:

RE: Alex Smith

Response: BULL

I personally don't believe Alex had one good game last year. He had some average games. He had some below average games. And -- in others -- he just sucked.

I hope you're not referring to the game AT Seattle. If you call this "good quarterbacking," then we will never agree on this point. Heck -- I don't think we'd agree on what's black and what's white.

Good quarterbacks do not have games like Alex had against the Bears -- in front of the home crowd. Good quarterbacks take advantage of their counterparts when they throw five interceptions in one game. Good quarterbacks turn a five-pick game into blowouts.

Good quarterbacks do not play the Rams to a first half tie during the last game of the regular season.

Did you miss those games? And you're calling me biased? Really?

I think you just made his point. He didn't have a "good" game versus Houston? Jacksonville? Really? If you don't think Smith had a "good" game up in Seattle than your defination of "good" seems more like "superior" to me.

This isn't an argument over how I want my steak cooked! How many definitions of Alexcuse play are you using? Rare? Medium Rare? Medium? Medium Well? Well Done?

There are two descriptions of play in my book: well and not well.

Alex has failed to take this team to a playoff berth -- hell he hasn't even had us in a playoff hunt -- in FIVE YEARS.

To me: that qualifies his play as: NOT WELL.

I am really happy that we have people in charge right now who will accept only one outcome: playoffs. Period. End of story. No excuses. Playoffs. Perhaps even a division title. Dare to dream?

I don't think Alex can get us there. I haven't seen any indication or any sign that proves otherwise. I know there are others in this thread who appear to be just fine with giving Alex six years -- seven -- eight -- nine or ten without seeing or experiencing any tangible results whatsoever.

BUT I AIN'T ONE OF THEM.

I really think that you either realized that you were destroyed in your little rant

Yeah man, you toasted me but good. All Alex all the way. I can see now that Alex can do no wrong.

I've just gotta stop with them negative waves.

Why are there more and more posters on here concerned with "destroying someone" instead of talking football?

Don't act like you guys came to this thread to talk football. Can't talk football with you guys because you are totally unreasonable and don't know enough about football to even have a decent conversation with. Anyone with any sense can see what you guys agenda is, and it has more to do with bashing the starting QB than talking football. Look at it this way, this year either we win with Smith or you guys will have to move on to the next player on the roster you choose to dislike for whatever bulls**t reason you want to make up.

The only thing destroyed in this thread is the credibility of people that deal only in absolutes, and say ignorant things like "Smith has never done anything" or "he will never be any good". Not one of you football geniuses is clairvoyant, sometimes I wonder if the term cogent even applies. It seems to me you guys are more invested in Smith than the guys that hope for him to succeed, you certainly seem obsessed with blaming one person for a teams shortcomings. Personally I don't care who the QB as long as he doesn't cost us games, but I know however you declaim it, you will never be happy unless Smith fails miserably so you can happily claim to be right while we watch other teams advance in the playoffs. It must be a miserable existence to be such a person.

Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:
Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:
Alex Smith inherited a team that was 2-14 the year before and statistically one of the worst teams all time.

Aaron Rodgers inherited a team that went to the NFC championship game the year before.

Not exactly apples to apples.

Wrong.
03 Car vs. Phi
04 Phi vs. ATl

It took me a second to understand your reference. Your interpretation of "inherit" is the issue. He was drafted in 2005, but he didn't become the starter until 2008 the year after the Packers were in the NFC Championship game.

So we have been assembling our team for the same amount of time. My point to reference those years is because even though Green Bay was not 2-14 they weren't a playoff team either before Smith and Rodgers were drafted.
Play of the day was Alex hitting Ziggy 30 yards downfield for a TD during 2 min drill. Nice.

Do it in games and we will be good to go.
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by D_Niner:

Why are there more and more posters on here concerned with "destroying someone" instead of talking football?

Don't act like you guys came to this thread to talk football. Can't talk football with you guys because you are totally unreasonable and don't know enough about football to even have a decent conversation with. Anyone with any sense can see what you guys agenda is, and it has more to do with bashing the starting QB than talking football. Look at it this way, this year either we win with Smith or you guys will have to move on to the next player on the roster you choose to dislike for whatever bulls**t reason you want to make up.

The only thing destroyed in this thread is the credibility of people that deal only in absolutes, and say ignorant things like "Smith has never done anything" or "he will never be any good". Not one of you football geniuses is clairvoyant, sometimes I wonder if the term cogent even applies. It seems to me you guys are more invested in Smith than the guys that hope for him to succeed, you certainly seem obsessed with blaming one person for a teams shortcomings. Personally I don't care who the QB as long as he doesn't cost us games, but I know however you declaim it, you will never be happy unless Smith fails miserably so you can happily claim to be right while we watch other teams advance in the playoffs. It must be a miserable existence to be such a person.

Why you coming at me kid? Did I say something that I don't remember? And when did I say all this that you're so generously giving me credit for?

I'll have you know that I've forgotten more about Football over the last 40 years than you will ever know... So why don't you take some of your own advice and stop blaming me for every little thing. I swear some of you drama queens need to get a life....


For the record everyone. I'm disappointed with Smiths performance; but, hope he turns it around. I, in now way, have blinders on as to his prior performances with our team and would love it if he somehow flipped that proverbial switch on in his football mind and started playing like an above average QB (we did not draft him first overall to be Below-Average to Average).
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:


Despite being 3rd in the NFL in passer rating, Aaron Rodgers had more dropped passes (45) by his receivers than any other QB had. But JaMarcus Russell had the highest percentage of his pass attempts dropped (10.5%) than any other player. Not surprisingly, Darrius Heyward-Bey led the NFL in lowest catch % as he caught only 23.7% of passes thrown to him.

http://stats-dont-lie.blogspot.com/2010/01/random-notes-from-2009-nfl-season.html


All I hear is how Alex has his passes dropped. Didn't seem to bother Aaron Rodger's having a career year with arguably the worst offensive line in the NFL last year.

It is not always an issue of how many passes get dropped... but which passes get dropped. That still doesn't address the OL issues, and still overlooks the development differences from silver-spoon fed Rodgers VS abused orphan Smith.


Are you sure you're not related to Alex
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Play of the day was Alex hitting Ziggy 30 yards downfield for a TD during 2 min drill. Nice.

Do it in games and we will be good to go.

We actually agree on something. Man, Sunday is taking too long to come.
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Originally posted by dtcomposer:
To BillBird


This is such an old argument. Just because you say that you want Alex to do well doesn't mean anything.

For an example: The Seattle Game where Smith had perhaps his best game. Go back and look at the comments. The "ACP" or whatever people are calling the haters these days, for the most part, harped on the last throw, or said "he's only had one 300 yd game now" etc.

You see that since the ACP's (and the Alexcusionists or whatever they are called) are both emotionally invested in Alex's Success or failure for personal/ pride/ validation reasons, they interpret things with a bias. That is the problem. So what some on here are saying is that it doesn't matter what Smith does well (again as evidenced by the Seattle game last year) The ACP's will focus on any negatives to make themselves feel like their view is correct. While on the other hand the real hard core Alexcusionists will do the same thing by over-looking his faults. IT is so funny when somebody from one faction calls out the other - like you just did - for doing something that they themselves are promulgating in posts all the time.

To DTComposer:

RE: Alex Smith

Response: BULL

I personally don't believe Alex had one good game last year. He had some average games. He had some below average games. And -- in others -- he just sucked.

I hope you're not referring to the game AT Seattle. If you call this "good quarterbacking," then we will never agree on this point. Heck -- I don't think we'd agree on what's black and what's white.

Good quarterbacks do not have games like Alex had against the Bears -- in front of the home crowd. Good quarterbacks take advantage of their counterparts when they throw five interceptions in one game. Good quarterbacks turn a five-pick game into blowouts.

Good quarterbacks do not play the Rams to a first half tie during the last game of the regular season.

Did you miss those games? And you're calling me biased? Really?

You just proved his point and you're absolutely in denial if you think you're unbiased.

Along with Shaj, ZRF and Norcal, you're one of the most staunch unwavering critics there are.

-9fA

[ Edited by 9erfanAUS on Aug 19, 2010 at 16:34:11 ]
Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:

It's a civil war amongst us. Smith backers are not more loyal than the Smith haters/bashers, realists, whatever you call us. We expect more than what we have been given by this franchise lately. That includes Smith.

Smith has to prove us wrong. For the sake of the team, I hope he can. It's time to be above average. No more up and down games. Everything is there.

Why does all of the blame fall on Smith? If the OL isn't giving him 3 seconds... if the receivers can't catch what is in their hands... why is that always dumped on the QB?

( not being a d!ck about this... just asking )

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/members/post-edit.php?id=3918587

Read the last post on that page

For whatever reason, that link isn't working for me. No biggie... if it's not worth summarizing, I'll manage...

Despite being 3rd in the NFL in passer rating, Aaron Rodgers had more dropped passes (45) by his receivers than any other QB had. But JaMarcus Russell had the highest percentage of his pass attempts dropped (10.5%) than any other player. Not surprisingly, Darrius Heyward-Bey led the NFL in lowest catch % as he caught only 23.7% of passes thrown to him.

http://stats-dont-lie.blogspot.com/2010/01/random-notes-from-2009-nfl-season.html


All I hear is how Alex has his passes dropped. Didn't seem to bother Aaron Rodger's having a career year with arguably the worst offensive line in the NFL last year.

Betterdayz do yourself and us a favor. Go buy a Packers jersey or better yet a cheese head hat. Find a Packers fan site and register. I think the betterdayz you used here wouldn't work there tho because it's obvious you think they are in a better position than the team fan site you are on now.
I'm out guys have fun.

BTW - what's an ACP????
Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
I'm out guys have fun.

BTW - what's an ACP????

Ass Clown Patrol

I'm a charter member -- as well as "Foot Soldier" in the movement.
Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:

It's a civil war amongst us. Smith backers are not more loyal than the Smith haters/bashers, realists, whatever you call us. We expect more than what we have been given by this franchise lately. That includes Smith.

Smith has to prove us wrong. For the sake of the team, I hope he can. It's time to be above average. No more up and down games. Everything is there.

Why does all of the blame fall on Smith? If the OL isn't giving him 3 seconds... if the receivers can't catch what is in their hands... why is that always dumped on the QB?

( not being a d!ck about this... just asking )

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/members/post-edit.php?id=3918587

Read the last post on that page

For whatever reason, that link isn't working for me. No biggie... if it's not worth summarizing, I'll manage...

Despite being 3rd in the NFL in passer rating, Aaron Rodgers had more dropped passes (45) by his receivers than any other QB had. But JaMarcus Russell had the highest percentage of his pass attempts dropped (10.5%) than any other player. Not surprisingly, Darrius Heyward-Bey led the NFL in lowest catch % as he caught only 23.7% of passes thrown to him.

http://stats-dont-lie.blogspot.com/2010/01/random-notes-from-2009-nfl-season.html


All I hear is how Alex has his passes dropped. Didn't seem to bother Aaron Rodger's having a career year with arguably the worst offensive line in the NFL last year.

I take issue with the "worst offensive line" part. The OLine for the Pack only took a hit once Aaron got in there. Great QB obviously, but he does hold onto the ball too long. As for the drops part, Aaron was 7th a yea ago in pass attempts, it stands to reason that a team that throws more will incur more dropped passes. The fact that our quarterback was 24th in attempts and yet we still had 2 guys who ranked near the league leaders in dropped passes is a lot more disconcerting.
Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:


Despite being 3rd in the NFL in passer rating, Aaron Rodgers had more dropped passes (45) by his receivers than any other QB had. But JaMarcus Russell had the highest percentage of his pass attempts dropped (10.5%) than any other player. Not surprisingly, Darrius Heyward-Bey led the NFL in lowest catch % as he caught only 23.7% of passes thrown to him.

http://stats-dont-lie.blogspot.com/2010/01/random-notes-from-2009-nfl-season.html


All I hear is how Alex has his passes dropped. Didn't seem to bother Aaron Rodger's having a career year with arguably the worst offensive line in the NFL last year.

It is not always an issue of how many passes get dropped... but which passes get dropped. That still doesn't address the OL issues, and still overlooks the development differences from silver-spoon fed Rodgers VS abused orphan Smith.


Are you sure you're not related to Alex

Haha, yeah, I'm sure. Never met the kid and don't care if I ever do. I'm just a person that considers everything surrounding a player... in this case, the development and extenuating circumstances that apply to a QB.

I recognize that some people disregard such things and only look at the bottom line. I'm not a fan of that limited thought. Neither is Singletary, and I love him for it.
Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:
Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:

It's a civil war amongst us. Smith backers are not more loyal than the Smith haters/bashers, realists, whatever you call us. We expect more than what we have been given by this franchise lately. That includes Smith.

Smith has to prove us wrong. For the sake of the team, I hope he can. It's time to be above average. No more up and down games. Everything is there.

Why does all of the blame fall on Smith? If the OL isn't giving him 3 seconds... if the receivers can't catch what is in their hands... why is that always dumped on the QB?

( not being a d!ck about this... just asking )

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/members/post-edit.php?id=3918587

Read the last post on that page

For whatever reason, that link isn't working for me. No biggie... if it's not worth summarizing, I'll manage...

Despite being 3rd in the NFL in passer rating, Aaron Rodgers had more dropped passes (45) by his receivers than any other QB had. But JaMarcus Russell had the highest percentage of his pass attempts dropped (10.5%) than any other player. Not surprisingly, Darrius Heyward-Bey led the NFL in lowest catch % as he caught only 23.7% of passes thrown to him.

http://stats-dont-lie.blogspot.com/2010/01/random-notes-from-2009-nfl-season.html


All I hear is how Alex has his passes dropped. Didn't seem to bother Aaron Rodger's having a career year with arguably the worst offensive line in the NFL last year.

I take issue with the "worst offensive line" part. The OLine for the Pack only took a hit once Aaron got in there. Great QB obviously, but he does hold onto the ball too long. As for the drops part, Aaron was 7th a yea ago in pass attempts, it stands to reason that a team that throws more will incur more dropped passes. The fact that our quarterback was 24th in attempts and yet we still had 2 guys who ranked near the league leaders in dropped passes is a lot more disconcerting.

Yeah you're right. That is disconcerting.
Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:
Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:
Alex Smith inherited a team that was 2-14 the year before and statistically one of the worst teams all time.

Aaron Rodgers inherited a team that went to the NFC championship game the year before.

Not exactly apples to apples.

Wrong.
03 Car vs. Phi
04 Phi vs. ATl

It took me a second to understand your reference. Your interpretation of "inherit" is the issue. He was drafted in 2005, but he didn't become the starter until 2008 the year after the Packers were in the NFC Championship game.

So we have been assembling our team for the same amount of time. My point to reference those years is because even though Green Bay was not 2-14 they weren't a playoff team either before Smith and Rodgers were drafted.

Fair enough. But the 2004 Packers were a playoff team, albeit one that lost in the wildcard. They went 10-6 that year a whole 8 games better than our season record.

I don't want to discredit Rodgers in anyway he is one of the best QBs in the game today. But to those who wish to insinuate that he would have produced to a similar level had we drafted him? Well in my mind that is asinine. It is a team sport after all. It cannot be lost on those who tout Aaron, while disparaging Alex, that Aaron has played for the better team and that in large part has led to the better results. No one can do it on their own.
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:


Despite being 3rd in the NFL in passer rating, Aaron Rodgers had more dropped passes (45) by his receivers than any other QB had. But JaMarcus Russell had the highest percentage of his pass attempts dropped (10.5%) than any other player. Not surprisingly, Darrius Heyward-Bey led the NFL in lowest catch % as he caught only 23.7% of passes thrown to him.

http://stats-dont-lie.blogspot.com/2010/01/random-notes-from-2009-nfl-season.html


All I hear is how Alex has his passes dropped. Didn't seem to bother Aaron Rodger's having a career year with arguably the worst offensive line in the NFL last year.

It is not always an issue of how many passes get dropped... but which passes get dropped. That still doesn't address the OL issues, and still overlooks the development differences from silver-spoon fed Rodgers VS abused orphan Smith.


Are you sure you're not related to Alex

Haha, yeah, I'm sure. Never met the kid and don't care if I ever do. I'm just a person that considers everything surrounding a player... in this case, the development and extenuating circumstances that apply to a QB.

I recognize that some people disregard such things and only look at the bottom line. I'm not a fan of that limited thought. Neither is Singletary, and I love him for it.

agree 1000%

However this is it. My patience has limits, and they have officially been reached. If he fails, by that I mean if he doesn't look like a quality NFL starter CONSISTENTLY, none of this up and down crap, then he can finally f**k off for good.
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