Does anybody believe that our pass rush is any better?

Sounding like Manny is stepping it up or either the o line is still that bad at pass protection. Probably a bit of both

Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Very good points, and well thought out.

Here's my take:

I could see Manusky trying to use Lawson the way he used Merriman in San Diego. Manny isn't quite as powerful, but he's faster and taller. Moving him around and turning him loose ala Lightsout might be an interesting and productive move.

Thanks! Ohhhh man, this is what I've been praying for since Manusky came over from San Diego! And early signs of that was a report that Manny had a good INSIDE pass rush on one play and that he's getting in the backfield and knocking down passes. Now, if I can see him off that LOS, shooting gaps, rotating sides of the field with Haralson, coming up to the LOS and then dropping back in zone, etc. I'm going to get really excited!

Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Harris is too small to be an every down OLB in a 3-4. I see him as a pass rush specialist in obvious passing situations only.

True but Harris does have some nice pass rush moves and can be a surprise playing Green/TBC's old roll on obvious pass rush downs and provides good leadership. I was cool with this signing.

Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Evans may have put on some weight and may be an effective DE. He's listed at 275, but said something about being nearly 300 lbs recently. He seems to be holding his own against some of the OL in the nutcracker drills.

Oh really? I was not aware of that. And the Redskin fans reaally liked him and if he's packed on a few more pounds to contend with one-two o-linemen, he's going to be a solid rotational guy. And yeah, there has been good reports about him thus far and like you noted, with the injuries, he's going to be getting his chance to learn this 3-4.

Originally posted by oldninerdude:
I agree with you, Brooks truly is the wild card. He's got the size that Harris lacks, and could be an every down OLB. I think he gets significantly more playing time this year, whether its behind Lawson and Haralson as a frequent sub, or in the place of one of them if they're out w/ injury. He just needs to keep his head screwed on straight.

I have been high on this guy (though, cautiously optimistic) for quite a while now, even going back to when we missed out on him in the supplemental draft. I think Sinlgetary will and has taken a special interest in him esp. as a mentor and he doesn't usually give compliments to guys but he has for Brooks. This tells me he's trying to build up his confidence and get him to a level where he can be something special. We saw the same approach with Davis where he broke him down and then built him up and we haven't had a problem with him since. These are fragile egos for big "boys.:

Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Altho I am concerned with the lack of depth (really across the entire front five, without MacDonald, with RJF out, with Balmer gimpy, with Haralson hurt), I see a jump in sacks this year. Primarily because of a change in attitude from Nolan's "no pressure, hold your ground, no pass rush" philosophy.

Yeah, who would have thought that with all the depth we have along the d-line and guys being able to play both DE & NT positions, we'd be concerned, even as early as this juncture.

I actually am more concerned about Singletary's influence over Manusky then Manusky himself. Will he turn him loose (looks more likely) or curb his aggression ala Nolan. We'll soon find out...

Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Manusky's much more aggressive approach, plus a simplified 3-4 scheme that turns the players loose to use their athletic abilities, adds up to greater sack production. At least, that's what I'm hoping for.

Me too! Either way, we'll know EXACTLY what we'll need for next year instead of having all our weaknesses disguised in the mire of "hybrid defense."

Originally posted by NCommand:
Oh really? I was not aware of that. And the Redskin fans reaally liked him and if he's packed on a few more pounds to contend with one-two o-linemen, he's going to be a solid rotational guy. And yeah, there has been good reports about him thus far and like you noted, with the injuries, he's going to be getting his chance to learn this 3-4.

i actually think that the dline could be one of this team's strengths. at the end of last season running through the middle against franklin and sopoaga was nearly impossible. if these guys continue from there, this defense will finish in the top 10 (only 4 places to go anyway ;-)).

Originally posted by zugschef:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Oh really? I was not aware of that. And the Redskin fans reaally liked him and if he's packed on a few more pounds to contend with one-two o-linemen, he's going to be a solid rotational guy. And yeah, there has been good reports about him thus far and like you noted, with the injuries, he's going to be getting his chance to learn this 3-4.

i actually think that the dline could be one of this team's strengths. at the end of last season running through the middle against franklin and sopoaga was nearly impossible. if these guys continue from there, this defense will finish in the top 10 (only 4 places to go anyway ;-)).

True. I think our rotation is solid however, this is little discrepancy between the starters and the backups but that may be more to lack of top-notch talent at the start positions, in particular the NT & LDE position.

Let the games begin!

Originally posted by PatrickWillisHOF:
Is anybody buying into our pass rush this year? I mean, we are going to let Manny loose this year, but I´m still not convinced that our pass rush will be a key element in our defense. What do you guys think?

no i think its the same as last year. also we havent imroved in the secondary either. i think we might struggle on defense more this year. if we had drafted orakpo it would've improve us for sure. so the key this year is our offense has to move the ball more and eat up clock so our defense doesnt stay on the field too much and get burned.

[ Edited by rob28 on Aug 9, 2009 at 16:55:05 ]

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Very good points, and well thought out.

Here's my take:

I could see Manusky trying to use Lawson the way he used Merriman in San Diego. Manny isn't quite as powerful, but he's faster and taller. Moving him around and turning him loose ala Lightsout might be an interesting and productive move.

Thanks! Ohhhh man, this is what I've been praying for since Manusky came over from San Diego! And early signs of that was a report that Manny had a good INSIDE pass rush on one play and that he's getting in the backfield and knocking down passes. Now, if I can see him off that LOS, shooting gaps, rotating sides of the field with Haralson, coming up to the LOS and then dropping back in zone, etc. I'm going to get really excited!

Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Harris is too small to be an every down OLB in a 3-4. I see him as a pass rush specialist in obvious passing situations only.

True but Harris does have some nice pass rush moves and can be a surprise playing Green/TBC's old roll on obvious pass rush downs and provides good leadership. I was cool with this signing.

Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Evans may have put on some weight and may be an effective DE. He's listed at 275, but said something about being nearly 300 lbs recently. He seems to be holding his own against some of the OL in the nutcracker drills.

Oh really? I was not aware of that. And the Redskin fans reaally liked him and if he's packed on a few more pounds to contend with one-two o-linemen, he's going to be a solid rotational guy. And yeah, there has been good reports about him thus far and like you noted, with the injuries, he's going to be getting his chance to learn this 3-4.

Originally posted by oldninerdude:
I agree with you, Brooks truly is the wild card. He's got the size that Harris lacks, and could be an every down OLB. I think he gets significantly more playing time this year, whether its behind Lawson and Haralson as a frequent sub, or in the place of one of them if they're out w/ injury. He just needs to keep his head screwed on straight.

I have been high on this guy (though, cautiously optimistic) for quite a while now, even going back to when we missed out on him in the supplemental draft. I think Sinlgetary will and has taken a special interest in him esp. as a mentor and he doesn't usually give compliments to guys but he has for Brooks. This tells me he's trying to build up his confidence and get him to a level where he can be something special. We saw the same approach with Davis where he broke him down and then built him up and we haven't had a problem with him since. These are fragile egos for big "boys.:

Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Altho I am concerned with the lack of depth (really across the entire front five, without MacDonald, with RJF out, with Balmer gimpy, with Haralson hurt), I see a jump in sacks this year. Primarily because of a change in attitude from Nolan's "no pressure, hold your ground, no pass rush" philosophy.

Yeah, who would have thought that with all the depth we have along the d-line and guys being able to play both DE & NT positions, we'd be concerned, even as early as this juncture.

I actually am more concerned about Singletary's influence over Manusky then Manusky himself. Will he turn him loose (looks more likely) or curb his aggression ala Nolan. We'll soon find out...

Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Manusky's much more aggressive approach, plus a simplified 3-4 scheme that turns the players loose to use their athletic abilities, adds up to greater sack production. At least, that's what I'm hoping for.

Me too! Either way, we'll know EXACTLY what we'll need for next year instead of having all our weaknesses disguised in the mire of "hybrid defense."

Concur wholeheartedly with what you said especially on Brooks. I see him as great backup to either side where he gives the same if not better talent to rush the passer. The kid has got talent, no doubt and it seems as though Singletary has been able to harness him.

I am excited to see this squad on the field on Friday first hand. I hope they go off like they did against Rodgers last preseason especially with Lawson. To be honest, I can't wait to see those second and third stringers. I believe that depth is the separator between champions. The better the depth, the longer you can last.

I hope we finally have some pass rush and some depth at the position.

Originally posted by ninertico:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Very good points, and well thought out.

Here's my take:

I could see Manusky trying to use Lawson the way he used Merriman in San Diego. Manny isn't quite as powerful, but he's faster and taller. Moving him around and turning him loose ala Lightsout might be an interesting and productive move.

Thanks! Ohhhh man, this is what I've been praying for since Manusky came over from San Diego! And early signs of that was a report that Manny had a good INSIDE pass rush on one play and that he's getting in the backfield and knocking down passes. Now, if I can see him off that LOS, shooting gaps, rotating sides of the field with Haralson, coming up to the LOS and then dropping back in zone, etc. I'm going to get really excited!

Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Harris is too small to be an every down OLB in a 3-4. I see him as a pass rush specialist in obvious passing situations only.

True but Harris does have some nice pass rush moves and can be a surprise playing Green/TBC's old roll on obvious pass rush downs and provides good leadership. I was cool with this signing.

Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Evans may have put on some weight and may be an effective DE. He's listed at 275, but said something about being nearly 300 lbs recently. He seems to be holding his own against some of the OL in the nutcracker drills.

Oh really? I was not aware of that. And the Redskin fans reaally liked him and if he's packed on a few more pounds to contend with one-two o-linemen, he's going to be a solid rotational guy. And yeah, there has been good reports about him thus far and like you noted, with the injuries, he's going to be getting his chance to learn this 3-4.

Originally posted by oldninerdude:
I agree with you, Brooks truly is the wild card. He's got the size that Harris lacks, and could be an every down OLB. I think he gets significantly more playing time this year, whether its behind Lawson and Haralson as a frequent sub, or in the place of one of them if they're out w/ injury. He just needs to keep his head screwed on straight.

I have been high on this guy (though, cautiously optimistic) for quite a while now, even going back to when we missed out on him in the supplemental draft. I think Sinlgetary will and has taken a special interest in him esp. as a mentor and he doesn't usually give compliments to guys but he has for Brooks. This tells me he's trying to build up his confidence and get him to a level where he can be something special. We saw the same approach with Davis where he broke him down and then built him up and we haven't had a problem with him since. These are fragile egos for big "boys.:

Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Altho I am concerned with the lack of depth (really across the entire front five, without MacDonald, with RJF out, with Balmer gimpy, with Haralson hurt), I see a jump in sacks this year. Primarily because of a change in attitude from Nolan's "no pressure, hold your ground, no pass rush" philosophy.

Yeah, who would have thought that with all the depth we have along the d-line and guys being able to play both DE & NT positions, we'd be concerned, even as early as this juncture.

I actually am more concerned about Singletary's influence over Manusky then Manusky himself. Will he turn him loose (looks more likely) or curb his aggression ala Nolan. We'll soon find out...

Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Manusky's much more aggressive approach, plus a simplified 3-4 scheme that turns the players loose to use their athletic abilities, adds up to greater sack production. At least, that's what I'm hoping for.

Me too! Either way, we'll know EXACTLY what we'll need for next year instead of having all our weaknesses disguised in the mire of "hybrid defense."

Concur wholeheartedly with what you said especially on Brooks. I see him as great backup to either side where he gives the same if not better talent to rush the passer. The kid has got talent, no doubt and it seems as though Singletary has been able to harness him.

I am excited to see this squad on the field on Friday first hand. I hope they go off like they did against Rodgers last preseason especially with Lawson. To be honest, I can't wait to see those second and third stringers. I believe that depth is the separator between champions. The better the depth, the longer you can last.

I hope we finally have some pass rush and some depth at the position.

I'll be there too! Can't wait. So much to look for; hard to decide which area, which player, to focus on. Probably will look at Franklin on D, to start, and Manny. Then Brooks when he comes in.

Gonna be a basic defense to start--no blitz, no stunts, etc. But we should still get a look at the OLB pass rush on third downs.

[ Edited by oldninerdude on Aug 9, 2009 at 19:18:38 ]

I like the fact that QB mobility is lacking for NFC West QBs. Lawson is a speed rusher and can do a lot of damage if he can get by blockers. I really hope he is the answer.

After watching last night's game, I stick to my belief that the pass rush is not any better. I mean, that was absolutely terrible. I know we got those interceptions, but the quarterbacks had all day to throw. I am concerned

Even Sing said, what pass rush, when asked how he felt the rush was. Manny almost got stood up completely when trying to pass rush, just as harlyson did. Not to good in the first game, but it was the first so we'll see. i just think tho this is the make or break season for Manny as well. Can't keep sayin every year he's gonna be that rusher we need. So wait till next game i guess

Next year we will draft a pass rusher in the first and a quarterback to back up HIll. Our pass rush is bad. Lawson couldn't beat a tackle last night. Harylson also didn't do anything. We are in trouble. The defensive line and secondary looked ok though.

if last night was any indicator? our pass rush might of even gotten worse.

Bottom line is it's too early to tell. Also the 49ers are not going to show all their blitz schemes in preseason. We havent seen the starters play a full game.

Did we blitz often last night? Frankly, I couldn't even tell