Does anybody believe that our pass rush is any better?

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by valrod33:

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Originally posted by BigMar:

Originally posted by backontop:

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Originally posted by BigMar:

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Originally posted by BigMar:

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Originally posted by BigMar:
The team and some fan's want you to believe that "pressure" is more important than "sacks".

Why?

Because for the last decade+ the 9ers have been sickly in getting "sacks" and "intereceptions"..... but simply because the team got some pre-season intereceptions those Fan's and the team want you to overlook the fact that they STILL CAN"T SACK THE Q.B.!

yup cause you know more than the entire team and the entire coaching staff. IF you are so great at the game of football and you know so much, what team are you coaching again? Ahhh yea I thought so

Interesting....you have "thoughts"?

yes but when I have a "thought" I don't create a thread just because it is a "thought"

Well here, use your "thoughts" on this....

Fred Dean = Sack Master = 9ers Super Bowl

Charles Haley = Sack Master = 9ers Super Bowl

Charles Haley = Sack Master = Dallas Super Bowl

so your saying that Fred Dean and Charles Haley won those Superbowls all by themselves

No, you are saying that.

Clearly, what I am implying is that Dean & Haley were KEY elements to winning playoff and superbowl games as they could "consistanly" change the course of the games by producing >>>>SACKS.

Getting the picture?

By your ideology the team that has the SACK leader for that particular year should win the SB seems how he is the SACK MASTER for that year. Lets see if that is how it plays out.

Season---sack leader and team they were on--------team that one the SB
2008---Ware/Dallas---Steelers
2007---Allen/Cheifs---Giants
2006---Merriman/Chargers---Colts
2005---Burgess/Raiders---Steelers
2004---Freeney/Colts---Patriots
2003---Strahan-Giants---Patriots


Should I continue?

You said that , not me.

Bill Walsh knew the missing key to his Defense being championship was a SAck Master... he traded for Fred Dean. Having sack master Fred Dean = Superbowl

Bill Walsh drafted Charles Haley, another Sack Master. Without Charles Haley on our defense... no playoffs, no superbowls.

Get it?

your ideology is still flawed! Football is a team sport there big guy! 1 PLAYER WILL NEVER WIN A SUPERBOWL!!! Now can you look at the amount of pressure that those players created that resulted in turn overs for the defense? Turn overs on defense will out weigh SACKMASTERS SACKS any day of the week and will always out weigh SACKMASTER SACKS.

I'm not going to paint a picture for you, clearly you have tunnel vision.

I am the one with tunnel vision. Oh that is priceless!!!!!

Re-read reply #260

I don't need to RE read any of your replies based on the fact that they are garbage. You have no clue WTF you are talking about! You think it is odd that almost everyone on the forum agrees with me and disagrees with you but yup we are the ones with tunnel vision. You are so fixated on SACKS that you ignore the fact that a turn over is better than a SACK! Why could that be? Oh I know because it gives the ball back to THE DAMN OFFENSE!!!

Ok so what would you rather have

ill use the Cardinals in this example

They are in the redzone it is 3rd and 9 warner drops back to pass, Justin Smith and parys Harlson have pressure on the QB which makes him rush his throw and it is picked off by Dre Bly.

OR

same down and distance but this time Justin Smith gets the sack, and the Cardinals come out and kick the filed goal

Clearly the SACK that leads to the FG. The SACK is like a homerun!!! IT CHANGES GAMES!!!

Valrod33 and backontop = nice tag team.

Visit reply # 260

Originally posted by BigMar:
Valrod33 and backontop = nice tag team.

Visit reply # 260

you have nothing!!!! NOTHING!!!! YOU HAVE BEEN DEFEATED!!!! YOUR POINT WAS POINTLESS!! MWUAHAHAHA!!!!

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by BigMar:
Valrod33 and backontop = nice tag team.

Visit reply # 260

you have nothing!!!! NOTHING!!!! YOU HAVE BEEN DEFEATED!!!! YOUR POINT WAS POINTLESS!! MWUAHAHAHA!!!!

Calm down, get re-focused........... then go re-visit reply #260

Originally posted by BigMar:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by BigMar:
Valrod33 and backontop = nice tag team.

Visit reply # 260

you have nothing!!!! NOTHING!!!! YOU HAVE BEEN DEFEATED!!!! YOUR POINT WAS POINTLESS!! MWUAHAHAHA!!!!

Calm down, get re-focused........... then go re-visit reply #260

There is no point because your ideology is bass ackwards

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by BigMar:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by BigMar:
Valrod33 and backontop = nice tag team.

Visit reply # 260

you have nothing!!!! NOTHING!!!! YOU HAVE BEEN DEFEATED!!!! YOUR POINT WAS POINTLESS!! MWUAHAHAHA!!!!

Calm down, get re-focused........... then go re-visit reply #260

There is no point because your ideology is bass ackwards

Exactly, it's not like he addressed my comment toward him or anything

Wow, this thread went to hell quickly. Anyhow, interesting comment by Manusky:

Manusky said he believes the 49ers' front seven is "solid." He admitted the team's defense has been vanilla during the exhibition season. The actually scheming of opponents will not begin until next week with the 49ers open the regular season against the Cardinals.

"The front seven is solid, and the back end can cover some people," Manusky said. "We got to get guys (to) beat those one-on-one matchups and pressure the quarterback more."

Solid is exactly how I would describe them which translates into "average" IMHO. Obviously, we ALL realize that it will NOT be our front 7 carrying our secondary but our secondary, once again, carrying our front 7. Vanilla or not, producing just 1 ghost-sack in pre-season (worst in the NFL right now) is a STRONG indication that we can not win 1-on-1 battles. Some of this can be somewhat overcome by scheme and practice and repetition and perfection of this scheme but you STILL have to win your 1-on-1 battles. Period. And lets be real - we aren't exactly trying to perfect our tactics during pre-season games (though we should).

We just don't win 1-on-1 battles on a consistent basis. And does anyone really have confidence in Manusky to run a non-vanilla 3-4 scheme like every other 3-4 team in the NFL at this stage? The jury is still out but this will be a telling year for sure.

I agree with MM that nobody is pushing harder then Manusky for us to run as close to 60% of time as possible b/c it will mask the major issues we STILL have on defense.

In short, no, our pass rush is not better and could end up being worse given that Manny & Haralson will have to play every down this year and I have yet to see Manusky show an ounce of creativity in defensive game-planning. And equally important, if we do run as much as Raye would like, that means the defense will be on the field less which "could" result in fewer overall team sacks.

Could it all come together? We shall see...I sure hope so but it doesn't look promising at all so far.

[ Edited by NCommand on Sep 4, 2009 at 12:24:46 ]

Originally posted by NCommand:
Wow, this thread went to hell quickly. Anyhow, interesting comment by Manusky:

Manusky said he believes the 49ers' front seven is "solid." He admitted the team's defense has been vanilla during the exhibition season. The actually scheming of opponents will not begin until next week with the 49ers open the regular season against the Cardinals.

"The front seven is solid, and the back end can cover some people," Manusky said. "We got to get guys (to) beat those one-on-one matchups and pressure the quarterback more."

Solid is exactly how I would describe them which translates into "average" IMHO. Obviously, we ALL realize that it will NOT be our front 7 carrying our secondary but our secondary, once again, carrying our front 7. Vanilla or not, producing just 1 ghost-sack in pre-season (worst in the NFL right now) is a STRONG indication that we can not win 1-on-1 battles. Some of this can be somewhat overcome by scheme and practice and repitition and perfection of this scheme but you, more often then not, STILL have to win your 1-on-1 battles. Period. And lets be real - we aren't exactly trying to perfect our tactics during pre-season games.

And frankly, we don't win 1-on-1 battles on a consistent basis either. And does anyone really have confidence in Manusky to run a non-vanilla 3-4 scheme like every other 3-4 team in the NFL?

I agree with MM that nobody is pushing harder for us to run as close to 60% of time as possible b/c it will mask the major issues we STILL have on defense.

In short, no, our pass rush is not better and could end up being worse given that Manny & Haralson will have to play every down this year and I have yet to see Manusky show an ounce of creativity in defensive game-planning.

Could it all come together? We shall see...I sure hope so but it doesn't look promising at all so far.

His last two paragraphs.... dat's true.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Wow, this thread went to hell quickly. Anyhow, interesting comment by Manusky:

Manusky said he believes the 49ers' front seven is "solid." He admitted the team's defense has been vanilla during the exhibition season. The actually scheming of opponents will not begin until next week with the 49ers open the regular season against the Cardinals.

"The front seven is solid, and the back end can cover some people," Manusky said. "We got to get guys (to) beat those one-on-one matchups and pressure the quarterback more."

Solid is exactly how I would describe them which translates into "average" IMHO. Obviously, we ALL realize that it will NOT be our front 7 carrying our secondary but our secondary, once again, carrying our front 7. Vanilla or not, producing just 1 ghost-sack in pre-season (worst in the NFL right now) is a STRONG indication that we can not win 1-on-1 battles. Some of this can be somewhat overcome by scheme and practice and repitition and perfection of this scheme but you, more often then not, STILL have to win your 1-on-1 battles. Period. And lets be real - we aren't exactly trying to perfect our tactics during pre-season games.

And frankly, we don't win 1-on-1 battles on a consistent basis either. And does anyone really have confidence in Manusky to run a non-vanilla 3-4 scheme like every other 3-4 team in the NFL?

I agree with MM that nobody is pushing harder for us to run as close to 60% of time as possible b/c it will mask the major issues we STILL have on defense.

In short, no, our pass rush is not better and could end up being worse given that Manny & Haralson will have to play every down this year and I have yet to see Manusky show an ounce of creativity in defensive game-planning.

Could it all come together? We shall see...I sure hope so but it doesn't look promising at all so far.

This is the 100% correct.

1 sack in 3 preaseason games.....

That pretty much sums up my excitement for this years pass rush.

Originally posted by srcasm76:
1 sack in 3 preaseason games.....

That pretty much sums up my excitement for this years pass rush.

but, but, but, but.....weez get pass pressure, so we are told (LOL)

Originally posted by BigMar:

Originally posted by srcasm76:
1 sack in 3 preaseason games.....

That pretty much sums up my excitement for this years pass rush.

but, but, but, but.....weez get pass pressure, so we are told (LOL)

Manusky and Singletary, but they don't know crap!



I think, from looking at the personnel, and listening to the coaches that we will have to wait for the blitz packages. The coaches must feel with improvement from our DBs and better play from our safeties we will be able to take Pwilly of the chain, with the rest of our linebackers.

Remember just because it is a 3-4 you still have to send 4 or more to pressure the QB!

Sad thing is, our pass rush will likely only get better by picking up some other team's trash after tomorrow's cuts. Yes, that's how mediocre the pass-rush talent is on this team.

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Manusky and Singletary, but they don't know crap!



I think, from looking at the personnel, and listening to the coaches that we will have to wait for the blitz packages. The coaches must feel with improvement from our DBs and better play from our safeties we will be able to take Pwilly of the chain, with the rest of our linebackers.

Remember just because it is a 3-4 you still have to send 4 or more to pressure the QB!

Manusky and Singletary don't make the personnel decisions (in terms of signing and drafting), so technically they're not at fault here. All they can do is coach up the talent they have on the roster, and choose among the best of a bad bunch.