QB Competition

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by yoyo49:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by fister30:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by fister30:
The fix is in. I am convinced the starting job will be handed to Smith this year.

Haha, knew it was a short matter of time before the Alex-haters/Hill-lovers started making their Hillexcuses. Gimme a break... McC and Sing will select the QB that they feel gives SF the best chance to succeed in September. They are not gonna play favorites over best chance at immediate success.

I'm not actually an Alex hater. I will be cheering for whoever takes snaps under center next year. I find it humorous that a competition had to be used to give Alex the starting job. I am accusing the staff/management of trying to sway public opinion to do something I think they were planning all along. This has nothing to do with Alex's or Hill's performance.

There is a big push in the local media to try to convince 49er fans that Alex is an OK guy. Look at some of the recent headlines. The article I found most obvious was stating that Alex should get the respect he is do for coming back the way that he did. I have posted in the past about how I felt this competition was not really a competition. I can explain it again if you would like me to.

I think Hill will be the starter at the start of the season.... I am just more worried about our backup QB situation..... that is where I feel a fix would be in.... We will all witness it during the preseason....if Damon Huard outplays Alex during the preseason....will he be rewarded the backup roll....will the 49ers do what is best for the 49ers........I don't think so.

I know a lot of people assume that Smith is just going to lay a fat rotten egg during preseason. Some even think he will look so bad that he won't even be worthy of 3rd string.

But let me ask you this, what if Smith outplays everyone and looks like the best QB during preseason. Would you or any of the other "haters" be OK with Smith being rewarded the starting job or would you stick to your guns and still want him to ride the bench because of past performances.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that you seem ready to demote Smith to 3rd string if he plays poorly, but would you be just as ready to promote him to starter if he plays great in preseason. Or do we have a double standard going here?

I don't know if Alex will lay a fat egg...hell I think he will do ok....u know like in 2007...we run, we run, playaction Alex hits someone open....and so on....

but I just think, judging Damon Huard's past starting experience and how he was starting for the Chiefs the same way Hill had to work his way into the starting role.... Huard did really good for a team with no WRs....and also did fine with the Dolphins awhile back.....so its more, me seeing more good QB play from Huard than Alex really.....is that crazy to expect Huard to outplay Alex?

as far as Alex outplaying everyone....if he plays great....u know like 3-4 straight pass plays....sustains 1st downs and scores TDs....and just looks totally different and Hill stinks it up.....well then Alex should start.... I'm a Hill fan...but I'm not blind....I want what is best for my 9ers....I just hope that if Hill is struggling that Alex is brought out in the 1st quarter in several preseason games...and plays against starting defenses....and shows he is ready for teams during the regular season.

In all fairness if Alex does better in whatever elements the staff is judging this competition, then I hope he starts.

From a recent article on the home page of the zone I am 98% sure I read something similar to Mike S saying they are even as of the last day of OTA's. So past performance has been evaluated up to this point and they are tied. If I recall correctly at the beginning of OTA's Hill had a small lead. If this was true Alex has made up ground during OTA's. Once again this assumption is based on Hill having a small lead for the beginning of this offseason. But what can a QB possibly do during OTA's to make up for years of game tape? An awful amount of weight will be placed on how these two QB's will perform during practice and limited amount of snaps against 1st string vanilla defenses during the preseason.

On a side note, if Alex was facing a shoulder surgery this year instead of last year Huard would probably be the starter. I should clarify this a little more. Insert Huard last year on this team, remove martz and Hill's performance last year and add raye with Mike S as coach. Basically this years personal inserted into last year...

[ Edited by fister30 on Jun 27, 2009 at 06:18:18 ]

Originally posted by fister30:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by yoyo49:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by fister30:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by fister30:
The fix is in. I am convinced the starting job will be handed to Smith this year.

Haha, knew it was a short matter of time before the Alex-haters/Hill-lovers started making their Hillexcuses. Gimme a break... McC and Sing will select the QB that they feel gives SF the best chance to succeed in September. They are not gonna play favorites over best chance at immediate success.

I'm not actually an Alex hater. I will be cheering for whoever takes snaps under center next year. I find it humorous that a competition had to be used to give Alex the starting job. I am accusing the staff/management of trying to sway public opinion to do something I think they were planning all along. This has nothing to do with Alex's or Hill's performance.

There is a big push in the local media to try to convince 49er fans that Alex is an OK guy. Look at some of the recent headlines. The article I found most obvious was stating that Alex should get the respect he is do for coming back the way that he did. I have posted in the past about how I felt this competition was not really a competition. I can explain it again if you would like me to.

I think Hill will be the starter at the start of the season.... I am just more worried about our backup QB situation..... that is where I feel a fix would be in.... We will all witness it during the preseason....if Damon Huard outplays Alex during the preseason....will he be rewarded the backup roll....will the 49ers do what is best for the 49ers........I don't think so.

I know a lot of people assume that Smith is just going to lay a fat rotten egg during preseason. Some even think he will look so bad that he won't even be worthy of 3rd string.

But let me ask you this, what if Smith outplays everyone and looks like the best QB during preseason. Would you or any of the other "haters" be OK with Smith being rewarded the starting job or would you stick to your guns and still want him to ride the bench because of past performances.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that you seem ready to demote Smith to 3rd string if he plays poorly, but would you be just as ready to promote him to starter if he plays great in preseason. Or do we have a double standard going here?

I don't know if Alex will lay a fat egg...hell I think he will do ok....u know like in 2007...we run, we run, playaction Alex hits someone open....and so on....

but I just think, judging Damon Huard's past starting experience and how he was starting for the Chiefs the same way Hill had to work his way into the starting role.... Huard did really good for a team with no WRs....and also did fine with the Dolphins awhile back.....so its more, me seeing more good QB play from Huard than Alex really.....is that crazy to expect Huard to outplay Alex?

as far as Alex outplaying everyone....if he plays great....u know like 3-4 straight pass plays....sustains 1st downs and scores TDs....and just looks totally different and Hill stinks it up.....well then Alex should start.... I'm a Hill fan...but I'm not blind....I want what is best for my 9ers....I just hope that if Hill is struggling that Alex is brought out in the 1st quarter in several preseason games...and plays against starting defenses....and shows he is ready for teams during the regular season.

In all fairness if Alex does better in whatever elements the staff is judging this competition, then I hope he starts.

From a recent article on the home page of the zone I am 98% sure I read something similar to Mike S saying they are even as of the last day of OTA's. So past performance has been evaluated up to this point and they are tied. If I recall correctly at the beginning of OTA's Hill had a small lead. If this was true Alex has made up ground during OTA's. Once again this assumption is based on Hill having a small lead for the beginning of this offseason. But what can a QB possibly do during OTA's to make up for years of game tape? An awful amount of weight will be placed on how these two QB's will perform during practice and limited amount of snaps against 1st string vanilla defenses during the preseason.

On a side note, if Alex was facing a shoulder surgery this year instead of last year Huard would probably be the starter. I should clarify this a little more. Insert Huard last year on this team, remove martz and Hill's performance last year and add raye with Mike S as coach. Basically this years personal inserted into last year...

What are you trying to say here?

This doesn't really have anything to do with the QB competition, but I don't it needs a new thread. I just thought I would post this video I found so that you guys could see it.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by yoyo49:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by fister30:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by fister30:
The fix is in. I am convinced the starting job will be handed to Smith this year.

Haha, knew it was a short matter of time before the Alex-haters/Hill-lovers started making their Hillexcuses. Gimme a break... McC and Sing will select the QB that they feel gives SF the best chance to succeed in September. They are not gonna play favorites over best chance at immediate success.

I'm not actually an Alex hater. I will be cheering for whoever takes snaps under center next year. I find it humorous that a competition had to be used to give Alex the starting job. I am accusing the staff/management of trying to sway public opinion to do something I think they were planning all along. This has nothing to do with Alex's or Hill's performance.

There is a big push in the local media to try to convince 49er fans that Alex is an OK guy. Look at some of the recent headlines. The article I found most obvious was stating that Alex should get the respect he is do for coming back the way that he did. I have posted in the past about how I felt this competition was not really a competition. I can explain it again if you would like me to.

I think Hill will be the starter at the start of the season.... I am just more worried about our backup QB situation..... that is where I feel a fix would be in.... We will all witness it during the preseason....if Damon Huard outplays Alex during the preseason....will he be rewarded the backup roll....will the 49ers do what is best for the 49ers........I don't think so.

I know a lot of people assume that Smith is just going to lay a fat rotten egg during preseason. Some even think he will look so bad that he won't even be worthy of 3rd string.

But let me ask you this, what if Smith outplays everyone and looks like the best QB during preseason. Would you or any of the other "haters" be OK with Smith being rewarded the starting job or would you stick to your guns and still want him to ride the bench because of past performances.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that you seem ready to demote Smith to 3rd string if he plays poorly, but would you be just as ready to promote him to starter if he plays great in preseason. Or do we have a double standard going here?

I don't know if Alex will lay a fat egg...hell I think he will do ok....u know like in 2007...we run, we run, playaction Alex hits someone open....and so on....

but I just think, judging Damon Huard's past starting experience and how he was starting for the Chiefs the same way Hill had to work his way into the starting role.... Huard did really good for a team with no WRs....and also did fine with the Dolphins awhile back.....so its more, me seeing more good QB play from Huard than Alex really.....is that crazy to expect Huard to outplay Alex?

as far as Alex outplaying everyone....if he plays great....u know like 3-4 straight pass plays....sustains 1st downs and scores TDs....and just looks totally different and Hill stinks it up.....well then Alex should start.... I'm a Hill fan...but I'm not blind....I want what is best for my 9ers....I just hope that if Hill is struggling that Alex is brought out in the 1st quarter in several preseason games...and plays against starting defenses....and shows he is ready for teams during the regular season.

Well the way things have developed in OTA's, it sure seems like both Hill and Smith will get opportunities to play with the starting Offense against the opponents starting defense. I don't know if each player will get a game with the starters or if they will rotate series within games but both players will get equal time and we will get a good idea of which one plays better.

I think by the end of preseason it will be pretty clear which player is playing the best.

The idea that either Scott McCloughan or Mike Singletary would risk their jobs by giving the starting QB job to either of the QB's without that QB actually winning the job is so ridiculous it borders on the absurd.If any of you think that,you need to pull your head outta your ass and smell what you are shoveling.I mean to dislike a player on the team is one thing,but to let it into your mind that a guy is going to risk his job just to let an unqualified QB start over a more qualified one is just stupid.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
The idea that either Scott McCloughan or Mike Singletary would risk their jobs by giving the starting QB job to either of the QB's without that QB actually winning the job is so ridiculous it borders on the absurd.If any of you think that,you need to pull your head outta your ass and smell what you are shoveling.I mean to dislike a player on the team is one thing,but to let it into your mind that a guy is going to risk his job just to let an unqualified QB start over a more qualified one is just stupid.

So you're saying Shaun over Alex?

Originally posted by PTulini:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
The idea that either Scott McCloughan or Mike Singletary would risk their jobs by giving the starting QB job to either of the QB's without that QB actually winning the job is so ridiculous it borders on the absurd.If any of you think that,you need to pull your head outta your ass and smell what you are shoveling.I mean to dislike a player on the team is one thing,but to let it into your mind that a guy is going to risk his job just to let an unqualified QB start over a more qualified one is just stupid.

So you're saying Shaun over Alex?

No I am saying that the competition will tell us who is the starter.I am merely pointing out to those that say the fix is on just how f**king retarded that idea is.I am for whoever is playing better to start,Shaun or Alex,it doesn't matter to me.

[ Edited by Memphis9er on Jun 27, 2009 at 13:15:57 ]

Until, A.Smith shows some sign of football instincts on the field, I will not be convinced about his ability. There are lots of QBs and even regular people in the country who can throw the ball accurately and throw it with velocity, but there are only a few of them who can do so under the pressure of a NFL game.
A.Smith has never shown it and I will not be convinced of his ability to continue being a QB in this league till he has shown as much. Brett Favre and Tom Brady for the longest time did not have stellar WRs. Instead B.Favre actually made the receivers around him look better than the skills the possessed. Once his receivers left him for other teams, they hardly did as well on other teams as they did when they were around him. Tom Brady won multiple Super Bowls without having a single superstar WR.
For all his lack of talent, Hill has atleast shown the ability to be instinctive and make quick decisions. However his lack of talent will be his undoing and will force the 49ers to continue looking every year for a more talented QB and hopefully one with better instincts.
I really hope A.Smith could be trained to have better instincts, but alas no matter what I've heard from other folks I believe you're most likely born with those instincts and you can be trained to improve it.

Originally posted by hopeforniners:
Until, A.Smith shows some sign of football instincts on the field, I will not be convinced about his ability. There are lots of QBs and even regular people in the country who can throw the ball accurately and throw it with velocity, but there are only a few of them who can do so under the pressure of a NFL game.
A.Smith has never shown it and I will not be convinced of his ability to continue being a QB in this league till he has shown as much. Brett Favre and Tom Brady for the longest time did not have stellar WRs. Instead B.Favre actually made the receivers around him look better than the skills the possessed. Once his receivers left him for other teams, they hardly did as well on other teams as they did when they were around him. Tom Brady won multiple Super Bowls without having a single superstar WR.
For all his lack of talent, Hill has atleast shown the ability to be instinctive and make quick decisions. However his lack of talent will be his undoing and will force the 49ers to continue looking every year for a more talented QB and hopefully one with better instincts.
I really hope A.Smith could be trained to have better instincts, but alas no matter what I've heard from other folks I believe you're most likely born with those instincts and you can be trained to improve it.

I guess you missed the shehawks game in 2006,you know,the one where Smith scrambled away from a sack and threw a touchdown to Gore?You guys and your selective memory.Even Chris Collingsworth,who hates the niers,said that was a play that only a real nfl quarterback could make.I guess you know more than someone that actually played the game though.I suggest you go to NFL.com search the video highlights for week 14 vs the seahawks in 2006 and then try to explain your bulls**t statement that Smith has never made plays for the niners.No matter who starts for the niners this year ay qb,they have my full support,I am just tired of uninformed posters trying to pass this bulls**t that Smith has never done anything but suck.His ONLY healthy full year,he had a pretty good year despite the general lack of talent surrounding him.If you cannot see past your own prejudice that is your own problem,but your statement stinks like what it is.

actually, the receiver behind gore was wide open in the end zone. If you you are banking on a select couple of highlights to support smith then you would love Cleo Lemon, who played better than Smith.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by hopeforniners:
Until, A.Smith shows some sign of football instincts on the field, I will not be convinced about his ability. There are lots of QBs and even regular people in the country who can throw the ball accurately and throw it with velocity, but there are only a few of them who can do so under the pressure of a NFL game.
A.Smith has never shown it and I will not be convinced of his ability to continue being a QB in this league till he has shown as much. Brett Favre and Tom Brady for the longest time did not have stellar WRs. Instead B.Favre actually made the receivers around him look better than the skills the possessed. Once his receivers left him for other teams, they hardly did as well on other teams as they did when they were around him. Tom Brady won multiple Super Bowls without having a single superstar WR.
For all his lack of talent, Hill has atleast shown the ability to be instinctive and make quick decisions. However his lack of talent will be his undoing and will force the 49ers to continue looking every year for a more talented QB and hopefully one with better instincts.
I really hope A.Smith could be trained to have better instincts, but alas no matter what I've heard from other folks I believe you're most likely born with those instincts and you can be trained to improve it.

I guess you missed the shehawks game in 2006,you know,the one where Smith scrambled away from a sack and threw a touchdown to Gore?You guys and your selective memory.Even Chris Collingsworth,who hates the niers,said that was a play that only a real nfl quarterback could make.I guess you know more than someone that actually played the game though.I suggest you go to NFL.com search the video highlights for week 14 vs the seahawks in 2006 and then try to explain your bulls**t statement that Smith has never made plays for the niners.No matter who starts for the niners this year ay qb,they have my full support,I am just tired of uninformed posters trying to pass this bulls**t that Smith has never done anything but suck.His ONLY healthy full year,he had a pretty good year despite the general lack of talent surrounding him.If you cannot see past your own prejudice that is your own problem,but your statement stinks like what it is.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by hopeforniners:
Until, A.Smith shows some sign of football instincts on the field, I will not be convinced about his ability. There are lots of QBs and even regular people in the country who can throw the ball accurately and throw it with velocity, but there are only a few of them who can do so under the pressure of a NFL game.
A.Smith has never shown it and I will not be convinced of his ability to continue being a QB in this league till he has shown as much. Brett Favre and Tom Brady for the longest time did not have stellar WRs. Instead B.Favre actually made the receivers around him look better than the skills the possessed. Once his receivers left him for other teams, they hardly did as well on other teams as they did when they were around him. Tom Brady won multiple Super Bowls without having a single superstar WR.
For all his lack of talent, Hill has atleast shown the ability to be instinctive and make quick decisions. However his lack of talent will be his undoing and will force the 49ers to continue looking every year for a more talented QB and hopefully one with better instincts.
I really hope A.Smith could be trained to have better instincts, but alas no matter what I've heard from other folks I believe you're most likely born with those instincts and you can be trained to improve it.

I guess you missed the seahawks game in 2006,you know,the one where Smith scrambled away from a sack and threw a touchdown to Gore?You guys and your selective memory.Even Chris Collingsworth,who hates the niers,said that was a play that only a real nfl quarterback could make. I guess you know more than someone that actually played the game though.I suggest you go to NFL.com search the video highlights for week 14 vs the seahawks in 2006 and then try to explain your bulls**t statement that Smith has never made plays for the niners.No matter who starts for the niners this year ay qb,they have my full support,I am just tired of uninformed posters trying to pass this bulls**t that Smith has never done anything but suck.His ONLY healthy full year,he had a pretty good year despite the general lack of talent surrounding him.If you cannot see past your own prejudice that is your own problem,but your statement stinks like what it is.

Don't forget the season ending game vs. Denver in '06 (which knocked them out of the playoffs), the MNF season opener vs. Arizona in '07, (Remember Alex's game winning drive?) and the fact that our 49ers were 2-1 with Alex in '07 before his now infamous injury in Week 4 game against Seattle!

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by hopeforniners:
Until, A.Smith shows some sign of football instincts on the field, I will not be convinced about his ability. There are lots of QBs and even regular people in the country who can throw the ball accurately and throw it with velocity, but there are only a few of them who can do so under the pressure of a NFL game.
A.Smith has never shown it and I will not be convinced of his ability to continue being a QB in this league till he has shown as much. Brett Favre and Tom Brady for the longest time did not have stellar WRs. Instead B.Favre actually made the receivers around him look better than the skills the possessed. Once his receivers left him for other teams, they hardly did as well on other teams as they did when they were around him. Tom Brady won multiple Super Bowls without having a single superstar WR.
For all his lack of talent, Hill has atleast shown the ability to be instinctive and make quick decisions. However his lack of talent will be his undoing and will force the 49ers to continue looking every year for a more talented QB and hopefully one with better instincts.
I really hope A.Smith could be trained to have better instincts, but alas no matter what I've heard from other folks I believe you're most likely born with those instincts and you can be trained to improve it.

I guess you missed the shehawks game in 2006,you know,the one where Smith scrambled away from a sack and threw a touchdown to Gore?You guys and your selective memory.Even Chris Collingsworth,who hates the niers,said that was a play that only a real nfl quarterback could make.I guess you know more than someone that actually played the game though.I suggest you go to NFL.com search the video highlights for week 14 vs the seahawks in 2006 and then try to explain your bulls**t statement that Smith has never made plays for the niners.No matter who starts for the niners this year ay qb,they have my full support,I am just tired of uninformed posters trying to pass this bulls**t that Smith has never done anything but suck.His ONLY healthy full year,he had a pretty good year despite the general lack of talent surrounding him.If you cannot see past your own prejudice that is your own problem,but your statement stinks like what it is.

One or two plays in >2 playing years does not a quarterback make. If you were to look at that, JTO made a number of them in the beginning of last year, especially when he had more than 300 yards for a few games. But we all agree to how that turned out.
I would have hoped that in atleast 2 years there would be more plays in A.Smith's portfolio than just a few sprinkling of throws over a few games. Even in his first year in Indianapolis, Peyton Manning made a lot of mistakes but showed enough to warrant thoughts of future potential.

Originally posted by hopeforniners:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by hopeforniners:
Until, A.Smith shows some sign of football instincts on the field, I will not be convinced about his ability. There are lots of QBs and even regular people in the country who can throw the ball accurately and throw it with velocity, but there are only a few of them who can do so under the pressure of a NFL game.
A.Smith has never shown it and I will not be convinced of his ability to continue being a QB in this league till he has shown as much. Brett Favre and Tom Brady for the longest time did not have stellar WRs. Instead B.Favre actually made the receivers around him look better than the skills the possessed. Once his receivers left him for other teams, they hardly did as well on other teams as they did when they were around him. Tom Brady won multiple Super Bowls without having a single superstar WR.
For all his lack of talent, Hill has atleast shown the ability to be instinctive and make quick decisions. However his lack of talent will be his undoing and will force the 49ers to continue looking every year for a more talented QB and hopefully one with better instincts.
I really hope A.Smith could be trained to have better instincts, but alas no matter what I've heard from other folks I believe you're most likely born with those instincts and you can be trained to improve it.

I guess you missed the shehawks game in 2006,you know,the one where Smith scrambled away from a sack and threw a touchdown to Gore?You guys and your selective memory.Even Chris Collingsworth,who hates the niers,said that was a play that only a real nfl quarterback could make.I guess you know more than someone that actually played the game though.I suggest you go to NFL.com search the video highlights for week 14 vs the seahawks in 2006 and then try to explain your bulls**t statement that Smith has never made plays for the niners.No matter who starts for the niners this year ay qb,they have my full support,I am just tired of uninformed posters trying to pass this bulls**t that Smith has never done anything but suck.His ONLY healthy full year,he had a pretty good year despite the general lack of talent surrounding him.If you cannot see past your own prejudice that is your own problem,but your statement stinks like what it is.

One or two plays in >2 playing years does not a quarterback make. If you were to look at that, JTO made a number of them in the beginning of last year, especially when he had more than 300 yards for a few games. But we all agree to how that turned out.
I would have hoped that in atleast 2 years there would be more plays in A.Smith's portfolio than just a few sprinkling of throws over a few games. Even in his first year in Indianapolis, Peyton Manning made a lot of mistakes but showed enough to warrant thoughts of future potential.

Well see now your changing your arguement. First you say he has NEVER shown it and when people show evidence that he has you change your stance to "2 plays".

So your original arguement of Smith not never able to make plays at the NFL level has been disproven. And stop being so sarcastic, he has made more than two plays.

Another thing, isn't it important to identify when he started making these plays. These plays he was making were all coming right before he got hurt. he was making plays at the end of his 2nd year and at the beginning of his 3rd year right before getting hurt. Its an obvious sign that he was getting better.

[ Edited by yoyo49 on Jun 27, 2009 at 17:20:30 ]

Originally posted by hopeforniners:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by hopeforniners:
Until, A.Smith shows some sign of football instincts on the field, I will not be convinced about his ability. There are lots of QBs and even regular people in the country who can throw the ball accurately and throw it with velocity, but there are only a few of them who can do so under the pressure of a NFL game.
A.Smith has never shown it and I will not be convinced of his ability to continue being a QB in this league till he has shown as much. Brett Favre and Tom Brady for the longest time did not have stellar WRs. Instead B.Favre actually made the receivers around him look better than the skills the possessed. Once his receivers left him for other teams, they hardly did as well on other teams as they did when they were around him. Tom Brady won multiple Super Bowls without having a single superstar WR.
For all his lack of talent, Hill has atleast shown the ability to be instinctive and make quick decisions. However his lack of talent will be his undoing and will force the 49ers to continue looking every year for a more talented QB and hopefully one with better instincts.
I really hope A.Smith could be trained to have better instincts, but alas no matter what I've heard from other folks I believe you're most likely born with those instincts and you can be trained to improve it.

I guess you missed the shehawks game in 2006,you know,the one where Smith scrambled away from a sack and threw a touchdown to Gore?You guys and your selective memory.Even Chris Collingsworth,who hates the niers,said that was a play that only a real nfl quarterback could make.I guess you know more than someone that actually played the game though.I suggest you go to NFL.com search the video highlights for week 14 vs the seahawks in 2006 and then try to explain your bulls**t statement that Smith has never made plays for the niners.No matter who starts for the niners this year ay qb,they have my full support,I am just tired of uninformed posters trying to pass this bulls**t that Smith has never done anything but suck.His ONLY healthy full year,he had a pretty good year despite the general lack of talent surrounding him.If you cannot see past your own prejudice that is your own problem,but your statement stinks like what it is.

One or two plays in >2 playing years does not a quarterback make. If you were to look at that, JTO made a number of them in the beginning of last year, especially when he had more than 300 yards for a few games. But we all agree to how that turned out.
I would have hoped that in atleast 2 years there would be more plays in A.Smith's portfolio than just a few sprinkling of throws over a few games. Even in his first year in Indianapolis, Peyton Manning made a lot of mistakes but showed enough to warrant thoughts of future potential.

Smith only played a full season in 2006,he did not do a bad job given the team surrounding him.My point was not that he is suddenly gonna become the next Peyton Manning,there aren't too many superstar qb's in the NFL.My point is that your saying he has never done anything is just ignorant and factually incorrect.We do not need a qb to play like Peyton Manning for this team to succeed,what we need is the QB that can best execute the offense.I myself do not care what that QB's name is,I want my team to win.This unreasonable hate for Alex Smith though,the kind of hate that leads to the ignorant making unfounded statements like "Smith has never done anything" is not a healthy thing.You should let go of your hate and prejudice and just enjoy that we have enough quarterbacks to have a competition for a change.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by hopeforniners:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by hopeforniners:
Until, A.Smith shows some sign of football instincts on the field, I will not be convinced about his ability. There are lots of QBs and even regular people in the country who can throw the ball accurately and throw it with velocity, but there are only a few of them who can do so under the pressure of a NFL game.
A.Smith has never shown it and I will not be convinced of his ability to continue being a QB in this league till he has shown as much. Brett Favre and Tom Brady for the longest time did not have stellar WRs. Instead B.Favre actually made the receivers around him look better than the skills the possessed. Once his receivers left him for other teams, they hardly did as well on other teams as they did when they were around him. Tom Brady won multiple Super Bowls without having a single superstar WR.
For all his lack of talent, Hill has atleast shown the ability to be instinctive and make quick decisions. However his lack of talent will be his undoing and will force the 49ers to continue looking every year for a more talented QB and hopefully one with better instincts.
I really hope A.Smith could be trained to have better instincts, but alas no matter what I've heard from other folks I believe you're most likely born with those instincts and you can be trained to improve it.

I guess you missed the shehawks game in 2006,you know,the one where Smith scrambled away from a sack and threw a touchdown to Gore?You guys and your selective memory.Even Chris Collingsworth,who hates the niers,said that was a play that only a real nfl quarterback could make.I guess you know more than someone that actually played the game though.I suggest you go to NFL.com search the video highlights for week 14 vs the seahawks in 2006 and then try to explain your bulls**t statement that Smith has never made plays for the niners.No matter who starts for the niners this year ay qb,they have my full support,I am just tired of uninformed posters trying to pass this bulls**t that Smith has never done anything but suck.His ONLY healthy full year,he had a pretty good year despite the general lack of talent surrounding him.If you cannot see past your own prejudice that is your own problem,but your statement stinks like what it is.

One or two plays in >2 playing years does not a quarterback make. If you were to look at that, JTO made a number of them in the beginning of last year, especially when he had more than 300 yards for a few games. But we all agree to how that turned out.
I would have hoped that in atleast 2 years there would be more plays in A.Smith's portfolio than just a few sprinkling of throws over a few games. Even in his first year in Indianapolis, Peyton Manning made a lot of mistakes but showed enough to warrant thoughts of future potential.

Smith only played a full season in 2006,he did not do a bad job given the team surrounding him.My point was not that he is suddenly gonna become the next Peyton Manning,there aren't too many superstar qb's in the NFL.My point is that your saying he has never done anything is just ignorant and factually incorrect.We do not need a qb to play like Peyton Manning for this team to succeed,what we need is the QB that can best execute the offense.I myself do not care what that QB's name is,I want my team to win.This unreasonable hate for Alex Smith though,the kind of hate that leads to the ignorant making unfounded statements like "Smith has never done anything" is not a healthy thing.You should let go of your hate and prejudice and just enjoy that we have enough quarterbacks to have a competition for a change.

I hope to be proven wrong and wish the best to Smith. However I will reserve judgement about his phenomenal OTAs until I have seen him do consistently well for atleast half a season against NFL starters. And I'm not referring to well as purely handing the ball to Gore and having him lead us to victories. I want to see him move the football down the field and make decisions on 3rd down that show that he can be a leader on the field. Once again best of luck to him.