QB Sam Darnold is a Viking

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I'd say he's arguing that it could be, not that it will be.

"There's no reason Sam can't play at a Jimmy G like level"

That's setting an expectation. You set expectations for what you think someone will do not what they can do.

I'll put it like this
if I could buy stock right now in Darnold I would
and the 49ers as a team, KS, did just that

this is low risk, high reward maneuvering

if you listen to the Rapsheet, Baldy, Gore, Palmer, Steve Young, Riddick, Carr, etc takes, I agree with those. He can have a lot of success here. I can't predict how the depth chart will shake out there is just so many variables, and BP a named QB1 if healthy, but don't be surprised if Sam plays and plays well is essentially the take.

I do love the signing from a perspective of TL and BP have a combined 9 starts, Darnold has 55. That balances our young QB room with experience. Guarantee both TL and BP will be looking up to Sam from that point of view. He can be a sounding board for those younger guys. He will push TL all summer, which is another plus.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I'll put it like this
if I could buy stock right now in Darnold I would
and the 49ers as a team, KS, did just that

this is low risk, high reward maneuvering

if you listen to the Rapsheet, Baldy, Gore, Palmer, Steve Young, Riddick, Carr, etc takes, I agree with those. He can have a lot of success here. I can't predict how the depth chart will shake out there is just so many variables, and BP a named QB1 if healthy, but don't be surprised if Sam plays and plays well is essentially the take.

I do love the signing from a perspective of TL and BP have a combined 9 starts, Darnold has 55. That balances our young QB room with experience. Guarantee both TL and BP will be looking up to Sam from that point of view. He can be a sounding board for those younger guys. He will push TL all summer, which is another plus.

If Darnold was a stock it's one you keep for the long haul. You don't sell it early because it needs time to maximize value.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I'll put it like this
if I could buy stock right now in Darnold I would
and the 49ers as a team, KS, did just that

this is low risk, high reward maneuvering

if you listen to the Rapsheet, Baldy, Gore, Palmer, Steve Young, Riddick, Carr, etc takes, I agree with those. He can have a lot of success here. I can't predict how the depth chart will shake out there is just so many variables, and BP a named QB1 if healthy, but don't be surprised if Sam plays and plays well is essentially the take.

I do love the signing from a perspective of TL and BP have a combined 9 starts, Darnold has 55. That balances our young QB room with experience. Guarantee both TL and BP will be looking up to Sam from that point of view. He can be a sounding board for those younger guys. He will push TL all summer, which is another plus.

If Darnold was a stock it's one you keep for the long haul. You don't sell it early because it needs time to maximize value.

We got time here, months of offseason..

Do you really think raw as TL is, as little football as TL has played, that Darnold with 55 starts needs more time than TL does? I would say the opposite. TL probably needs more time than Darnold. But they both have time to get it going. You can do a lot in a handful of months of just grinding.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
We got time here, months of offseason..

Do you really think raw as TL is, as little football as TL has played, that Darnold with 55 starts needs more time than TL does? I would say the opposite. TL probably needs more time than Darnold. But they both have time to get it going. You can do a lot in a handful of months of just grinding.

I absolutely think Darnold needs more time. Trey has a 2 year jump on him in the system. His inexperience also means less bad habits to correct. Darnold has a litany of bad issues he needs to clean up. He's gonna need a lot of work with Griese ala Steve Young with Holmgren.

Only QB I am comfortable playing at a high level week 1 is Brock Purdy.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
We got time here, months of offseason..

Do you really think raw as TL is, as little football as TL has played, that Darnold with 55 starts needs more time than TL does? I would say the opposite. TL probably needs more time than Darnold. But they both have time to get it going. You can do a lot in a handful of months of just grinding.

I absolutely think Darnold needs more time. Trey has a 2 year jump on him in the system. His inexperience also means less bad habits to correct. Darnold has a litany of bad issues he needs to clean up. He's gonna need a lot of work with Griese ala Steve Young with Holmgren.

Only QB I am comfortable playing at a high level week 1 is Brock Purdy.

To use your comp, Steve in limited action was 120 rated his first year in SF
his TD to INT was 10 - 0

the team was loaded, and he flipped the switch right away

he went from 65 rated in Tampa in 86, to 120 rated in 87..

I think your point on Steve kinda defeats itself
he played well enough year 1 in SF to generate a legit QB controversy with The GOAT

*disclaimer* in this convo I didn't bring up Steve, this guy did, I am not making the Darnold is Steve comp, don't come at me with that

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
To use your comp, Steve in limited action was 120 rated his first year in SF
his TD to INT was 10 - 0

the team was loaded, and he flipped the switch right away

he went from 65 rated in Tampa in 86, to 120 rated in 87..

I think your point on Steve kinda defeats itself
he played well enough year 1 in SF to generate a legit QB controversy with The GOAT

*disclaimer* in this convo I didn't bring up Steve, this guy did, I am not making the Darnold is Steve comp, don't come at me with that

He started at the end of the season. Not week 1. That wasn't right away at all.

Could Darnold be productive late in season if someone gets hurt? Possibly. Week 1 is the issue.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
To use your comp, Steve in limited action was 120 rated his first year in SF
his TD to INT was 10 - 0

the team was loaded, and he flipped the switch right away

he went from 65 rated in Tampa in 86, to 120 rated in 87..

I think your point on Steve kinda defeats itself
he played well enough year 1 in SF to generate a legit QB controversy with The GOAT

*disclaimer* in this convo I didn't bring up Steve, this guy did, I am not making the Darnold is Steve comp, don't come at me with that

He started at the end of the season. Not week 1. That wasn't right away at all.

it was year 1 in SF, just cuz he didn't start week 1 (over Joe freakin Montana) doesn't mean he wasn't much better in SF than he was in TB, and right away. He was, clearly, and as soon as he got out on the field, he crushed it.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:


it was year 1 in SF, just cuz he didn't start week 1 (over Joe freakin Montana) doesn't mean he wasn't much better in SF than he was in TB, and right away. He was, clearly, and as soon as he got out on the field, he crushed it.

Because he worked with Holmgren. Steve has talked about how when he got with the 9ers he didn't even know how to throw a football properly.

I don't think one Training camp is enough to fix all Sam's ills. It's gonna take multiple months. Might even take a year.

and the list just keeps growing folks this is ESPN Dan Graziano

Dan Graziano wrote in a recent feature for ESPN. "Purdy and Lance are both coming off season-ending injuries. Lance is likely to be back sooner, but he still hasn't shown much, and it's possible newcomer Darnold (yes, same guy) could be the Week 1 starter."

another for the list from the frontpage, Martz.. list is getting so long folks I can't keep track

Martz went on to predict the 49ers' starting quarterback.

"I believe Darnold will start," Martz wrote. "He was a highly talented guy coming out of college. He was put in a couple of tough situations with the New York Jets and Carolina Panthers. Now, he's with a solid offensive staff and a coach who is brilliant with quarterbacks. The 49ers are an extremely talented team, and Darnold being the starter would be a good thing. They are primed to have a great season."

One point I'm trying to make about Darnold by looking at the history of guys like him is, even if he was better here, he'd have to be on a MAJOR level to convince anyone it was his situation. Otherwise, the dude would be simply another Mark Sanchez, a mediocre quarterback getting carried by the team.

That said, for the price and if that's your third string guy, you take that 1000/1000 times over a guy like Josh Johnson.

I'm cool with him being the #3, but I honestly don't expect him to show anything drastically different individually.

His biggest problem has been absolutely egregious turnovers. I mean legitimate WTF throws all over the place with no pressure in his face. That's a huge red flag.

I can understand if a guy is getting lit up or tons of picks were off drops and deflections. That's a lot of what I saw with Alex Smith in the pre-Harbaugh years. Even still he got hammered after too (remember that nine sack game against Baltimore? ) But this isn't the case with Sam.

All this talk about arm talent, but that's all moot if you keep making bad decisions and giving it away the other team. That's why I'm not buying the hype that he outperforms Lance to take the #2 spot.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

and the list just keeps growing folks this is ESPN Dan Graziano

Dan Graziano wrote in a recent feature for ESPN. "Purdy and Lance are both coming off season-ending injuries. Lance is likely to be back sooner, but he still hasn't shown much, and it's possible newcomer Darnold (yes, same guy) could be the Week 1 starter."

another for the list from the frontpage, Martz.. list is getting so long folks I can't keep track

Martz went on to predict the 49ers' starting quarterback.

"I believe Darnold will start," Martz wrote. "He was a highly talented guy coming out of college. He was put in a couple of tough situations with the New York Jets and Carolina Panthers. Now, he's with a solid offensive staff and a coach who is brilliant with quarterbacks. The 49ers are an extremely talented team, and Darnold being the starter would be a good thing. They are primed to have a great season."

You know what that means, since they're almost always wrong lol.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I'd say he's arguing that it could be, not that it will be.

"There's no reason Sam can't play at a Jimmy G like level"

That's setting an expectation. You set expectations for what you think someone will do not what they can do.

I'll put it like this
if I could buy stock right now in Darnold I would
and the 49ers as a team, KS, did just that

this is low risk, high reward maneuvering

if you listen to the Rapsheet, Baldy, Gore, Palmer, Steve Young, Riddick, Carr, etc takes, I agree with those. He can have a lot of success here. I can't predict how the depth chart will shake out there is just so many variables, and BP a named QB1 if healthy, but don't be surprised if Sam plays and plays well is essentially the take.

I do love the signing from a perspective of TL and BP have a combined 9 starts, Darnold has 55. That balances our young QB room with experience. Guarantee both TL and BP will be looking up to Sam from that point of view. He can be a sounding board for those younger guys. He will push TL all summer, which is another plus.

Especially if NY is setting the price lol

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:


it was year 1 in SF, just cuz he didn't start week 1 (over Joe freakin Montana) doesn't mean he wasn't much better in SF than he was in TB, and right away. He was, clearly, and as soon as he got out on the field, he crushed it.

Because he worked with Holmgren. Steve has talked about how when he got with the 9ers he didn't even know how to throw a football properly.

I don't think one Training camp is enough to fix all Sam's ills. It's gonna take multiple months. Might even take a year.

I'm honestly trying to figure out what this logic about "it's going to take time to fix negative habits" argument is all about. Let's say Darnold starts week 1. Your argument is that he's going to have all of these weapons to throw to, a genius play caller, and a very good run game - and NONE of that is going to make a difference? How would you explain his jump in production and reduction in mistakes going from the Jets to the Panthers (who are no where near as good as SF offensively)? Why can't he have a similar or even greater leap from the Panthers to the Niners?

Exactly what "bad habits" have you guys observed of his playing time in NY? Are you just referring to his stats/turnovers? Or have you guys actually watched film and seen bad footwork, mechanics, etc? Serious questions.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I'd say he's arguing that it could be, not that it will be.

"There's no reason Sam can't play at a Jimmy G like level"

That's setting an expectation. You set expectations for what you think someone will do not what they can do.

I'll put it like this
if I could buy stock right now in Darnold I would
and the 49ers as a team, KS, did just that

this is low risk, high reward maneuvering

if you listen to the Rapsheet, Baldy, Gore, Palmer, Steve Young, Riddick, Carr, etc takes, I agree with those. He can have a lot of success here. I can't predict how the depth chart will shake out there is just so many variables, and BP a named QB1 if healthy, but don't be surprised if Sam plays and plays well is essentially the take.

I do love the signing from a perspective of TL and BP have a combined 9 starts, Darnold has 55. That balances our young QB room with experience. Guarantee both TL and BP will be looking up to Sam from that point of view. He can be a sounding board for those younger guys. He will push TL all summer, which is another plus.

Especially if NY is setting the price lol

in that case I am backing up the truck

Originally posted by Furlow:
I'm honestly trying to figure out what this logic about "it's going to take time to fix negative habits" argument is all about. Let's say Darnold starts week 1. Your argument is that he's going to have all of these weapons to throw to, a genius play caller, and a very good run game - and NONE of that is going to make a difference? How would you explain his jump in production and reduction in mistakes going from the Jets to the Panthers (who are no where near as good as SF offensively)? Why can't he have a similar or even greater leap from the Panthers to the Niners?

Exactly what "bad habits" have you guys observed of his playing time in NY? Are you just referring to his stats/turnovers? Or have you guys actually watched film and seen bad footwork, mechanics, etc? Serious questions.

Sees ghosts, bad footwork, bad decision making. Lil of everything. Watch the Saints game. Wasn't pretty.

Never said it won't make a difference. Obviously the team is good enough to win with him. They are good enough to win with Trey too. Faithful said there is no reason to think he won't perform on par with Jimmy. That's the crux of the disagreement.