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Aug 4, 2023 at 5:09 PM
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by Furlow:

Okay Sam, let's gooooo

Tremendous stats!

For lance yes. For Sam no. How many seasons does Sam have under his belt? And Trey…how many nfl games has he played? Give me a break. The fact that Sam and Trey have similar stats in training camp is an indictment on Sam's abilities…. Yet the media keeps talking him up as a lock for qb2. Unless he shows different in actual games he is nothing more than a scrap project. I am not buying into the Kyle will make him great story. In Purdy and Lance I trust.

I don't think we should bump TL up the depth chart, cuz he has fewer seasons played, so we are judging him more softly. That doesn't jive with me. No man. I am from the old school. I want winners . It doesn't matter, where you came from. It's about, who gives us the best chance, as QB2.

This is also Trey's 3rd year in the offense, and Sam's first. Before preseason I thought Trey would be well ahead at this point and that Sam would be playing catch up. Doesn't seem to be the case at all.
what evidence is there saying who has any advantage system wise ?

Logic. Reason. Knowledge of football. Human capacity for memory. By any known measure, Trey should have much better grasp on the offense. If he doesn't, then he doesn't belong in the NFL.

From all reports Trey has been looking sharp in camp since the offense has got into a better rhythm. Not sure what either of you are talking about lol.
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Aug 4, 2023 at 5:19 PM
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
For lance yes. For Sam no. How many seasons does Sam have under his belt? And Trey…how many nfl games has he played? Give me a break. The fact that Sam and Trey have similar stats in training camp is an indictment on Sam's abilities…. Yet the media keeps talking him up as a lock for qb2. Unless he shows different in actual games he is nothing more than a scrap project. I am not buying into the Kyle will make him great story. In Purdy and Lance I trust.

My post was in jest.

Do yourself a favor and worry less about training camp stats, lol.

It's not about the stats it's the false narrative that Sam is better than Trey. He has more games under his belt and if he were the savior some in here think he is he would be playing a s**t ton better than Trey. He is not. Trey is still raw. 3 seasons is a great stat but let's just be honest. How many games has he played. Like it or not he was injured. Even with all that he is playing as good if not better than Sam. Yet folks want to drive him out of town… I just don't get it. We have a starter in Purdy, give Trey a chance to develop and he might surprise you. Sam is not the answer for any of our problems. Someone stated they want a winner… hat has Sam won in the NFL? Nothing. He is washing out.. a scrap project at best. Just my 2 cents.
Aug 4, 2023 at 5:29 PM
Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
It's not about the stats it's the false narrative that Sam is better than Trey. He has more games under his belt and if he were the savior some in here think he is he would be playing a s**t ton better than Trey. He is not. Trey is still raw. 3 seasons is a great stat but let's just be honest. How many games has he played. Like it or not he was injured. Even with all that he is playing as good if not better than Sam. Yet folks want to drive him out of town… I just don't get it. We have a starter in Purdy, give Trey a chance to develop and he might surprise you. Sam is not the answer for any of our problems. Someone stated they want a winner… hat has Sam won in the NFL? Nothing. He is washing out.. a scrap project at best. Just my 2 cents.

It's not a false narrative that people think Sam might be better than Trey. It's an opinion.

The idea that Trey is outperforming Sam in camp is also an opinion (that you're basing on your read of reports from camp).

It will play out. Relax.

Also, I see only a few people here or there that want to chase Trey out of town… with more open to do it if we get insanely unrealistic trade offers that are never coming.
Aug 4, 2023 at 6:33 PM
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
what evidence is there saying who has any advantage system wise ?

I mean the evidence is one guy has been here for two full seasons going into a third and the other is going into his first.

That of* course doesn't mean that Trey has a much better understanding of the offense or that he's going to play better in it. It would just be a piece of information that could explain it if he did.
Where or what is the evidence of furlow claim, that is what I'm asking

Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
what evidence is there saying who has any advantage system wise ?

I mean the evidence is one guy has been here for two full seasons going into a third and the other is going into his first.

That or course doesn't mean that Trey has a much better understanding of the offense or that he's going to play better in it. It would just be a piece of information that could explain it if he did.

This. You answer dumb questions nicer than me.
Dumb question?, yet there is no evidence to your claim. None lol

but you never have been correct on QB evaluation for awhile now, so I don't expect anything reasonable from you.
Aug 4, 2023 at 6:35 PM
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by Furlow:

Okay Sam, let's gooooo

Tremendous stats!

For lance yes. For Sam no. How many seasons does Sam have under his belt? And Trey…how many nfl games has he played? Give me a break. The fact that Sam and Trey have similar stats in training camp is an indictment on Sam's abilities…. Yet the media keeps talking him up as a lock for qb2. Unless he shows different in actual games he is nothing more than a scrap project. I am not buying into the Kyle will make him great story. In Purdy and Lance I trust.

I don't think we should bump TL up the depth chart, cuz he has fewer seasons played, so we are judging him more softly. That doesn't jive with me. No man. I am from the old school. I want winners . It doesn't matter, where you came from. It's about, who gives us the best chance, as QB2.

This is also Trey's 3rd year in the offense, and Sam's first. Before preseason I thought Trey would be well ahead at this point and that Sam would be playing catch up. Doesn't seem to be the case at all.
what evidence is there saying who has any advantage system wise ?

Logic. Reason. Knowledge of football. Human capacity for memory. By any known measure, Trey should have much better grasp on the offense. If he doesn't, then he doesn't belong in the NFL.

From all reports Trey has been looking sharp in camp since the offense has got into a better rhythm. Not sure what either of you are talking about lol.
Looking sharp would be some evidence of Trey having a better grasp of the offense
Aug 5, 2023 at 6:36 PM
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Where or what is the evidence of furlow claim, that is what I'm asking

Dumb question?, yet there is no evidence to your claim. None lol

but you never have been correct on QB evaluation for awhile now, so I don't expect anything reasonable from you.

Furlow abides by the "broken clock analyses" theory. He's bout to be right about something eventually. Whatever that may be,...he'll then cling onto it and never let go.
Aug 5, 2023 at 7:14 PM
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by Furlow:

Okay Sam, let's gooooo

Tremendous stats!

For lance yes. For Sam no. How many seasons does Sam have under his belt? And Trey…how many nfl games has he played? Give me a break. The fact that Sam and Trey have similar stats in training camp is an indictment on Sam's abilities…. Yet the media keeps talking him up as a lock for qb2. Unless he shows different in actual games he is nothing more than a scrap project. I am not buying into the Kyle will make him great story. In Purdy and Lance I trust.

I don't think we should bump TL up the depth chart, cuz he has fewer seasons played, so we are judging him more softly. That doesn't jive with me. No man. I am from the old school. I want winners . It doesn't matter, where you came from. It's about, who gives us the best chance, as QB2.

You want winners so you want Sam Darnold? The guy who has won 38% of his starts?

It's not rocket science. If Darnold can't lap or minimum clearly out practice and show a better control of this offense than Trey then it makes absolutely 0 sense to make him QB2. Nobody wants Brock to get injured to worry about that but should something happen may as well play the guy who can still grow and improve vs the 55 game starter who isn't showing anything more than the guy with 4 starts and crazy amount of inexperience.
Aug 5, 2023 at 7:22 PM
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by Furlow:

Okay Sam, let's gooooo

Tremendous stats!

For lance yes. For Sam no. How many seasons does Sam have under his belt? And Trey…how many nfl games has he played? Give me a break. The fact that Sam and Trey have similar stats in training camp is an indictment on Sam's abilities…. Yet the media keeps talking him up as a lock for qb2. Unless he shows different in actual games he is nothing more than a scrap project. I am not buying into the Kyle will make him great story. In Purdy and Lance I trust.

I don't think we should bump TL up the depth chart, cuz he has fewer seasons played, so we are judging him more softly. That doesn't jive with me. No man. I am from the old school. I want winners . It doesn't matter, where you came from. It's about, who gives us the best chance, as QB2.

This is also Trey's 3rd year in the offense, and Sam's first. Before preseason I thought Trey would be well ahead at this point and that Sam would be playing catch up. Doesn't seem to be the case at all.
what evidence is there saying who has any advantage system wise ?

Logic. Reason. Knowledge of football. Human capacity for memory. By any known measure, Trey should have much better grasp on the offense. If he doesn't, then he doesn't belong in the NFL.

From all reports Trey has been looking sharp in camp since the offense has got into a better rhythm. Not sure what either of you are talking about lol.
Looking sharp would be some evidence of Trey having a better grasp of the offense

Some people seem to struggle with how to downplay Lance these days. It used to be easy but now they gotta reach more and more.

We've seen footwork drills used. We've seen practice completion % used…until Trey started completing the most. We've seen his prior games brought up and any context called excuses only to talk about how poor Sam needs talent and coaching around him and then he'd be special.

Now we're acting like it's a matter of knowing the offense better is why Trey has improved? Not his work on his mechanics which lots of people figured wouldn't translate to the field.

Let's cut the crap. Whatever the reason at minimum the QB2 competition is at a stalemate by most accounts. Now we don't have Shanahan's take on it so he has his own way of evaluating things. Logic to me says if they're deadlocked then Trey is your QB2. He's shown clear improvement and we all know how he can get better and it's not sitting behind 2 guys. If Sam isn't magically Steve Young with all our talent around him then I doubt he'll be even Jeff Garcia when the other team can hit him.

But to be fair it's still early in camp and both guys have time to rise or fall from where they are now.
Aug 6, 2023 at 6:45 AM
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
It's not about the stats it's the false narrative that Sam is better than Trey. He has more games under his belt and if he were the savior some in here think he is he would be playing a s**t ton better than Trey. He is not. Trey is still raw. 3 seasons is a great stat but let's just be honest. How many games has he played. Like it or not he was injured. Even with all that he is playing as good if not better than Sam. Yet folks want to drive him out of town… I just don't get it. We have a starter in Purdy, give Trey a chance to develop and he might surprise you. Sam is not the answer for any of our problems. Someone stated they want a winner… hat has Sam won in the NFL? Nothing. He is washing out.. a scrap project at best. Just my 2 cents.

It's not a false narrative that people think Sam might be better than Trey. It's an opinion.

The idea that Trey is outperforming Sam in camp is also an opinion (that you're basing on your read of reports from camp).

It will play out. Relax.

Also, I see only a few people here or there that want to chase Trey out of town… with more open to do it if we get insanely unrealistic trade offers that are never coming.

Fair enough.
Aug 6, 2023 at 6:55 AM
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by Furlow:

Okay Sam, let's gooooo

Tremendous stats!

For lance yes. For Sam no. How many seasons does Sam have under his belt? And Trey…how many nfl games has he played? Give me a break. The fact that Sam and Trey have similar stats in training camp is an indictment on Sam's abilities…. Yet the media keeps talking him up as a lock for qb2. Unless he shows different in actual games he is nothing more than a scrap project. I am not buying into the Kyle will make him great story. In Purdy and Lance I trust.

I don't think we should bump TL up the depth chart, cuz he has fewer seasons played, so we are judging him more softly. That doesn't jive with me. No man. I am from the old school. I want winners . It doesn't matter, where you came from. It's about, who gives us the best chance, as QB2.

You want winners so you want Sam Darnold? The guy who has won 38% of his starts?

It's not rocket science. If Darnold can't lap or minimum clearly out practice and show a better control of this offense than Trey then it makes absolutely 0 sense to make him QB2. Nobody wants Brock to get injured to worry about that but should something happen may as well play the guy who can still grow and improve vs the 55 game starter who isn't showing anything more than the guy with 4 starts and crazy amount of inexperience.

Living in NY I've gotten to hear about Sam's TCs for years, which always seemed to be pretty decent. His issue is when it's live football. He doesn't process quickly enough and that's when the s**t it's the wall. Bad mechanics come out, poor reads, holding onto the ball too long etc.

it's great that he's having another positive camp. I look forward to seeing what he does in preseason. IMO at this point he's not a legit starter in the league.
Aug 6, 2023 at 7:06 AM
Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
It's not about the stats it's the false narrative that Sam is better than Trey. He has more games under his belt and if he were the savior some in here think he is he would be playing a s**t ton better than Trey. He is not. Trey is still raw. 3 seasons is a great stat but let's just be honest. How many games has he played. Like it or not he was injured. Even with all that he is playing as good if not better than Sam. Yet folks want to drive him out of town… I just don't get it. We have a starter in Purdy, give Trey a chance to develop and he might surprise you. Sam is not the answer for any of our problems. Someone stated they want a winner… hat has Sam won in the NFL? Nothing. He is washing out.. a scrap project at best. Just my 2 cents.

It's not a false narrative that people think Sam might be better than Trey. It's an opinion.

The idea that Trey is outperforming Sam in camp is also an opinion (that you're basing on your read of reports from camp).

It will play out. Relax.

Also, I see only a few people here or there that want to chase Trey out of town… with more open to do it if we get insanely unrealistic trade offers that are never coming.

Fair enough.

So we can't use reports to make any judgement of what's what in camp?

I'd say that's by far a better resource than just saying I think such and such is true because of my narrative of the situation (while not even seeing any of it for yourself).

agree it will all play out, not being allowed to use reports to backup a stance because you don't like the reports is silly.

as far as Sam, all he's done since coming into the league (after 50+ starts) is be one of if not the worst starting QBs in the league…there's tons of film and data to back it up. With Lance it's more unknown than saying he blows… if people want to use 170 random passing attempts to backup their stance they'd better freaking use Sam's 1,800 passing attempts OR your stance means nothing.
Aug 6, 2023 at 9:01 AM
Some posters here believe that we were able to transition from Jimmy to Brock easily because of team talent and kyles.scheme. based on that philosophy, darnold could be a pro bowler in this offense. Hell, even Cody Pickett would be able to be a pro bowler in this offense.
Aug 6, 2023 at 11:37 AM

lol
Aug 6, 2023 at 12:30 PM
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by Furlow:

Okay Sam, let's gooooo

Tremendous stats!

For lance yes. For Sam no. How many seasons does Sam have under his belt? And Trey…how many nfl games has he played? Give me a break. The fact that Sam and Trey have similar stats in training camp is an indictment on Sam's abilities…. Yet the media keeps talking him up as a lock for qb2. Unless he shows different in actual games he is nothing more than a scrap project. I am not buying into the Kyle will make him great story. In Purdy and Lance I trust.

I don't think we should bump TL up the depth chart, cuz he has fewer seasons played, so we are judging him more softly. That doesn't jive with me. No man. I am from the old school. I want winners . It doesn't matter, where you came from. It's about, who gives us the best chance, as QB2.

This is also Trey's 3rd year in the offense, and Sam's first. Before preseason I thought Trey would be well ahead at this point and that Sam would be playing catch up. Doesn't seem to be the case at all.
what evidence is there saying who has any advantage system wise ?

Logic. Reason. Knowledge of football. Human capacity for memory. By any known measure, Trey should have much better grasp on the offense. If he doesn't, then he doesn't belong in the NFL.

From all reports Trey has been looking sharp in camp since the offense has got into a better rhythm. Not sure what either of you are talking about lol.

I just read an article on the home page that stated Sam's processing is naticeably slower than Trey's and Brock's and that he holds the ball too long. I want to say its the lack of familiarity with the system but than again that has been an issue with him since he's been in the league.
Aug 6, 2023 at 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by Furlow:

Okay Sam, let's gooooo

Tremendous stats!

For lance yes. For Sam no. How many seasons does Sam have under his belt? And Trey…how many nfl games has he played? Give me a break. The fact that Sam and Trey have similar stats in training camp is an indictment on Sam's abilities…. Yet the media keeps talking him up as a lock for qb2. Unless he shows different in actual games he is nothing more than a scrap project. I am not buying into the Kyle will make him great story. In Purdy and Lance I trust.

I don't think we should bump TL up the depth chart, cuz he has fewer seasons played, so we are judging him more softly. That doesn't jive with me. No man. I am from the old school. I want winners . It doesn't matter, where you came from. It's about, who gives us the best chance, as QB2.

This is also Trey's 3rd year in the offense, and Sam's first. Before preseason I thought Trey would be well ahead at this point and that Sam would be playing catch up. Doesn't seem to be the case at all.
what evidence is there saying who has any advantage system wise ?

Logic. Reason. Knowledge of football. Human capacity for memory. By any known measure, Trey should have much better grasp on the offense. If he doesn't, then he doesn't belong in the NFL.

From all reports Trey has been looking sharp in camp since the offense has got into a better rhythm. Not sure what either of you are talking about lol.

I just read an article on the home page that stated Sam's processing is naticeably slower than Trey's and Brock's and that he holds the ball too long. I want to say its the lack of familiarity with the system but than again that has been an issue with him since he's been in the league.

Still need to see him play, there are some players that are awesome come game time.. both Jets and Panthers sucked, did anyone really expect a rookie and a young player to carry the team?
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