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Jul 6, 2023 at 8:46 AM
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

I thought the numbers would be a lot worse than they are.

I keep saying it, Lance didn't play well. Lol like at all.

so for everyone saying darnold is trash and all that, it isn't like Lance has played better than him. I really don't know what the hell people watched when Trey started. They just act like His couple nice plays was the norm and not ridiculously rare. Very inept offensive production, specifically accuracy, first downs, and scoring… yards are worthless if you're not doing those three well.

this is why I say that if Brock is lost for the season, we are screwed regardless. Lol

Yep. I haven't seen much of darnold, but based on posters comments on him, I expected his numbers to be way worse. Recent sample size doesn't indicate that big of a drop off in terms of ball protection.
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Jul 6, 2023 at 8:51 AM
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

I thought the numbers would be a lot worse than they are.

Are you worried that some people only follow one QB thread, and may miss one of Jack hammers tweets unless you post it in all of them? You sir are the embodiment of why the mods should just merge all QB threads into one, lol. But until they do, keep fighting that battle!

What a weird reply. My only explanation
Jul 6, 2023 at 10:08 AM
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

I thought the numbers would be a lot worse than they are.

I keep saying it, Lance didn't play well. Lol like at all.

so for everyone saying darnold is trash and all that, it isn't like Lance has played better than him. I really don't know what the hell people watched when Trey started. They just act like His couple nice plays was the norm and not ridiculously rare. Very inept offensive production, specifically accuracy, first downs, and scoring… yards are worthless if you're not doing those three well.

this is why I say that if Brock is lost for the season, we are screwed regardless. Lol

Yep. I haven't seen much of darnold, but based on posters comments on him, I expected his numbers to be way worse. Recent sample size doesn't indicate that big of a drop off in terms of ball protection.

Darnold makes a lot of boneheaded mistakes - turnovers/TWP. The numbers also indicate that Trey does too.

IMO, you can't watch darnold and think he played like trash - then watch Trey and think he did really well. It doesn't make any sense. I think Trey has longer term potential and shouldn't be categorized as the same type of player right now, but both have similar production (I think the edge goes to Darnold right now).

so we have the same issues, regardless of who is playing. We just have to hope they make large improvements in their game. I think if we have to play Lance/Darnold in any big/tough game, we aren't winning many - if any.

the lack of offensive production, efficiency, and too many turnovers/TWP would hinder us and make those games super difficult to win.
Jul 6, 2023 at 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

I thought the numbers would be a lot worse than they are.

Are you worried that some people only follow one QB thread, and may miss one of Jack hammers tweets unless you post it in all of them? You sir are the embodiment of why the mods should just merge all QB threads into one, lol. But until they do, keep fighting that battle!

What a weird reply. My only explanation

I'm trying to figure out what's going on with him. The responses are overly emotional and don't make sense.
Jul 6, 2023 at 3:23 PM
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

I thought the numbers would be a lot worse than they are.

Are you worried that some people only follow one QB thread, and may miss one of Jack hammers tweets unless you post it in all of them? You sir are the embodiment of why the mods should just merge all QB threads into one, lol. But until they do, keep fighting that battle!

What a weird reply. My only explanation

I'm trying to figure out what's going on with him. The responses are overly emotional and don't make sense.

I thought this tweet was the same as posted in the other QB threads. If I offended, then I think we know who is truly butt hurt here.
[ Edited by SLCNiner on Jul 7, 2023 at 2:22 PM ]
Jul 7, 2023 at 7:31 AM
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

I thought the numbers would be a lot worse than they are.

I keep saying it, Lance didn't play well. Lol like at all.

so for everyone saying darnold is trash and all that, it isn't like Lance has played better than him. I really don't know what the hell people watched when Trey started. They just act like His couple nice plays was the norm and not ridiculously rare. Very inept offensive production, specifically accuracy, first downs, and scoring… yards are worthless if you're not doing those three well.

this is why I say that if Brock is lost for the season, we are screwed regardless. Lol

Yep. I haven't seen much of darnold, but based on posters comments on him, I expected his numbers to be way worse. Recent sample size doesn't indicate that big of a drop off in terms of ball protection.

Jack Hammer is the king of leaving out key facts/context to push his narrative. Unless of course fumbles don't count as turnover worthy plays. The man had 6 fumbles last year and he played in 6 games.

Want to talk about recent sample size? His very LAST game(aka most recent)

5/15 43 yards 0 TD, 2 INT and 2 fumbles

Lance with all the running attempts he had only had 1 fumble and it was during the peak rain in the Chicago game.
Jul 7, 2023 at 7:36 AM
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

I thought the numbers would be a lot worse than they are.

I keep saying it, Lance didn't play well. Lol like at all.

so for everyone saying darnold is trash and all that, it isn't like Lance has played better than him. I really don't know what the hell people watched when Trey started. They just act like His couple nice plays was the norm and not ridiculously rare. Very inept offensive production, specifically accuracy, first downs, and scoring… yards are worthless if you're not doing those three well.

this is why I say that if Brock is lost for the season, we are screwed regardless. Lol

Yep. I haven't seen much of darnold, but based on posters comments on him, I expected his numbers to be way worse. Recent sample size doesn't indicate that big of a drop off in terms of ball protection.

Darnold makes a lot of boneheaded mistakes - turnovers/TWP. The numbers also indicate that Trey does too.

IMO, you can't watch darnold and think he played like trash - then watch Trey and think he did really well. It doesn't make any sense. I think Trey has longer term potential and shouldn't be categorized as the same type of player right now, but both have similar production (I think the edge goes to Darnold right now).

so we have the same issues, regardless of who is playing. We just have to hope they make large improvements in their game. I think if we have to play Lance/Darnold in any big/tough game, we aren't winning many - if any.

the lack of offensive production, efficiency, and too many turnovers/TWP would hinder us and make those games super difficult to win.

Darnold makes those bonehead plays due to his decision making. Trey is making them due to other factors. We can't put a number on how much his finger injury impacted his throws but we know it did. We can't put a number on how much the rain in Chicago impacted his throws but we know it did.

You also have the youth/inexperience vs vet factors at play. That's the thing...Darnold has shown what he can or cannot do. There should be different expectations between rookies and vets.

Now we can argue whether the 49ers can afford rookie type growing pains given their roster and it would be a solid point, but if the vet is making the same types of mistakes...then why not play the rookie and at least develop him in the process?
Jul 7, 2023 at 9:23 AM
Originally posted by genus49:
Darnold makes those bonehead plays due to his decision making. Trey is making them due to other factors. We can't put a number on how much his finger injury impacted his throws but we know it did. We can't put a number on how much the rain in Chicago impacted his throws but we know it did.

You also have the youth/inexperience vs vet factors at play. That's the thing...Darnold has shown what he can or cannot do. There should be different expectations between rookies and vets.

Now we can argue whether the 49ers can afford rookie type growing pains given their roster and it would be a solid point, but if the vet is making the same types of mistakes...then why not play the rookie and at least develop him in the process?

I don't buy it genus. Recall the play where we fake left, fake right, wide open Kittle up the middle. What's the boneheaded play on that one going to be? BA gets open consistently. Deebo we manufacture ways to get him the ball. CMC is near uncoverable by any LB. So these are all matchup problems. Just need someone accurate, who understands the offense, and can put it on em. Darnold is a very good thrower of the football. He just needs some guys who can win their matchups, and give him open throws.

I picture us winning all over the field, and these posts still have Darnold throwing it right to a DB, declining to throw it to our guys, that's not how football works genus. And if he's truly that bad, than TL has nothing to worry about, in this comp.
Jul 7, 2023 at 9:37 AM
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by genus49:
Darnold makes those bonehead plays due to his decision making. Trey is making them due to other factors. We can't put a number on how much his finger injury impacted his throws but we know it did. We can't put a number on how much the rain in Chicago impacted his throws but we know it did.

You also have the youth/inexperience vs vet factors at play. That's the thing...Darnold has shown what he can or cannot do. There should be different expectations between rookies and vets.

Now we can argue whether the 49ers can afford rookie type growing pains given their roster and it would be a solid point, but if the vet is making the same types of mistakes...then why not play the rookie and at least develop him in the process?

I don't buy it genus. Recall the play where we fake left, fake right, wide open Kittle up the middle. What's the boneheaded play on that one going to be? BA gets open consistently. Deebo we manufacture ways to get him the ball. CMC is near uncoverable by any LB. So these are all matchup problems. Just need someone accurate, who understands the offense, and can put it on em. Darnold is a very good thrower of the football. He just needs some guys who can win their matchups, and give him open throws.

I picture us winning all over the field, and these posts still have Darnold throwing it right to a DB, declining to throw it to our guys, that's not how football works genus. And if he's truly that bad, than TL has nothing to worry about, in this comp.

This back and forth between threads is getting difficult. I just posted a response to your post above in the Lance thread.

Kyle will make Sam or any QB we have better by play design and scheme, that is not arguable. The question I and others have is when the opposing defense makes a play or counters Kyle well...will Sam be able to avoid key mistakes in those moments?
Jul 7, 2023 at 12:50 PM
Originally posted by Furlow:

How many times do I have to say this? Darnold only played a handful of games with CMC and/or Moore. When he did, he played very well. Anderson had one 1,000 yard season; so you calling him a "1000 yard WR" is absurd. He completely fell off the map after that one year with Teddy. And you can't blame Darnold because Anderson didn't do much with Baker either and basically nothing last year in Arizona.
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Only 4 posts today, guys? Let's do better. Let's be better.
[ Edited by random49er on Jul 7, 2023 at 12:51 PM ]
Jul 7, 2023 at 4:54 PM
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

I thought the numbers would be a lot worse than they are.

I keep saying it, Lance didn't play well. Lol like at all.

so for everyone saying darnold is trash and all that, it isn't like Lance has played better than him. I really don't know what the hell people watched when Trey started. They just act like His couple nice plays was the norm and not ridiculously rare. Very inept offensive production, specifically accuracy, first downs, and scoring… yards are worthless if you're not doing those three well.

this is why I say that if Brock is lost for the season, we are screwed regardless. Lol

Yep. I haven't seen much of darnold, but based on posters comments on him, I expected his numbers to be way worse. Recent sample size doesn't indicate that big of a drop off in terms of ball protection.

Jack Hammer is the king of leaving out key facts/context to push his narrative. Unless of course fumbles don't count as turnover worthy plays. The man had 6 fumbles last year and he played in 6 games.

Want to talk about recent sample size? His very LAST game(aka most recent)

5/15 43 yards 0 TD, 2 INT and 2 fumbles

Lance with all the running attempts he had only had 1 fumble and it was during the peak rain in the Chicago game.

I'll admit that Lance does a good job of protecting the ball on run plays. He does have good ball security there.

So as a whole, Lance is less of a turnover machine. The tweet above is still accurate when it comes to passing though, which obviously Lance was on pace to be a serious turnover machine, through the passing game.

When you count fumbles, yes, darnold dwarfs Brock & Lance.
Jul 7, 2023 at 4:57 PM
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by genus49:
Darnold makes those bonehead plays due to his decision making. Trey is making them due to other factors. We can't put a number on how much his finger injury impacted his throws but we know it did. We can't put a number on how much the rain in Chicago impacted his throws but we know it did.

You also have the youth/inexperience vs vet factors at play. That's the thing...Darnold has shown what he can or cannot do. There should be different expectations between rookies and vets.

Now we can argue whether the 49ers can afford rookie type growing pains given their roster and it would be a solid point, but if the vet is making the same types of mistakes...then why not play the rookie and at least develop him in the process?

I don't buy it genus. Recall the play where we fake left, fake right, wide open Kittle up the middle. What's the boneheaded play on that one going to be? BA gets open consistently. Deebo we manufacture ways to get him the ball. CMC is near uncoverable by any LB. So these are all matchup problems. Just need someone accurate, who understands the offense, and can put it on em. Darnold is a very good thrower of the football. He just needs some guys who can win their matchups, and give him open throws.

I picture us winning all over the field, and these posts still have Darnold throwing it right to a DB, declining to throw it to our guys, that's not how football works genus. And if he's truly that bad, than TL has nothing to worry about, in this comp.

This back and forth between threads is getting difficult. I just posted a response to your post above in the Lance thread.

Kyle will make Sam or any QB we have better by play design and scheme, that is not arguable. The question I and others have is when the opposing defense makes a play or counters Kyle well...will Sam be able to avoid key mistakes in those moments?

I usually disagree with Genus but I'll say on this one, darnold hasn't shown to be consistently accurate either. I'm critical of Lance when it comes to accuracy, darnold isn't much better. Both fall in the "inaccurate" catagory to me.

you need that 64%+in this offense to really run it. Jimmy & Brock are accurate for the most part and I think that's a key piece to their success in this system.
[ Edited by tankle104 on Jul 7, 2023 at 4:58 PM ]
Jul 7, 2023 at 8:49 PM
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

I thought the numbers would be a lot worse than they are.

I keep saying it, Lance didn't play well. Lol like at all.

so for everyone saying darnold is trash and all that, it isn't like Lance has played better than him. I really don't know what the hell people watched when Trey started. They just act like His couple nice plays was the norm and not ridiculously rare. Very inept offensive production, specifically accuracy, first downs, and scoring… yards are worthless if you're not doing those three well.

this is why I say that if Brock is lost for the season, we are screwed regardless. Lol

Yep. I haven't seen much of darnold, but based on posters comments on him, I expected his numbers to be way worse. Recent sample size doesn't indicate that big of a drop off in terms of ball protection.

We will probably need all three plus one more just like last year so I'm rooting for the entire QB room to succeed. That's the only way the team succeeds l.
Jul 9, 2023 at 7:40 AM
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

I thought the numbers would be a lot worse than they are.

I keep saying it, Lance didn't play well. Lol like at all.

so for everyone saying darnold is trash and all that, it isn't like Lance has played better than him. I really don't know what the hell people watched when Trey started. They just act like His couple nice plays was the norm and not ridiculously rare. Very inept offensive production, specifically accuracy, first downs, and scoring… yards are worthless if you're not doing those three well.

this is why I say that if Brock is lost for the season, we are screwed regardless. Lol

Yep. I haven't seen much of darnold, but based on posters comments on him, I expected his numbers to be way worse. Recent sample size doesn't indicate that big of a drop off in terms of ball protection.

We will probably need all three plus one more just like last year so I'm rooting for the entire QB room to succeed. That's the only way the team succeeds l.

Funny, a lot of people said the season was over when dipstick jimmy went down… now it's Purdy. Let's wait and see what happens on the field with Trey. He might just surprise you. I am 100% behind Purdy as the starter but I am not on the Sam turnovers Darnold train. We have 2 solid kids that can carry us to a trophy.
Jul 11, 2023 at 2:55 PM
Dude just can't stop seeing ghosts on field and off.
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