QB Sam Darnold is a Viking

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i was replying to NY in that exchange, he said he sees no Cinderella story for Sam here
that's a lack of imagination imo, I can see a story like that for all our guys, you don't think it's possible for Sam to have a great season here?

I've been sharing thoughts in here about ppl all around the league, coaches, GMs, scouts, ppl who cover the sport, former players, they are all saying Sam can really do well here this season if called upon, I agree with that

you'll notice in that post 1368 I extended the same belief to BP and TL, they can do it too, BP needs to get the health right, TL needs to make strides this offseason, but no reason to sit here in May and say these guys can't do it

Of course it's possible. But that isn't what you said. It's also possible that the guy who couldn't beat out Baker Mayfield or had a sub 3 QB rating is who we see. He's never played in this offense so there is nothing to go off of.

So to be clear your position is there is no reason to think Trey or Darnold can't match what Jimmy was doing last year?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I was about to say...

Post 1368

i was replying to NY in that exchange, he said he sees no Cinderella story for Sam here
that's a lack of imagination imo, I can see a story like that for all our guys, you don't think it's possible for Sam to have a great season here?

I've been sharing thoughts in here about ppl all around the league, coaches, GMs, scouts, ppl who cover the sport, former players, they are all saying Sam can really do well here this season if called upon, I agree with that

you'll notice in that post 1368 I extended the same belief to BP and TL, they can do it too, BP needs to get the health right, TL needs to make strides this offseason, but no reason to sit here in May and say these guys can't do it

But you did indeed, say it

own it and move on

I feel Darnold can be better than JG in this offense. Better than Brock, probably not. better than Lance, TBD

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
But you did indeed, say it

own it and move on

I feel Darnold can be better than JG in this offense. Better than Brock, probably not. better than Lance, TBD

You act like posting it is a crime. The crime is saying Darnold is not gonna do anything here. Too early to say that. He will help us and I feel if called upon with all these weapons.. we will rally around him.. and we will play, good football.

BP and TL can do it too, coach said it Senor Att, we have 3 FLQBs..

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:

I was about to say...

Post 1368

i was replying to NY in that exchange, he said he sees no Cinderella story for Sam here
that's a lack of imagination imo, I can see a story like that for all our guys, you don't think it's possible for Sam to have a great season here?

I've been sharing thoughts in here about ppl all around the league, coaches, GMs, scouts, ppl who cover the sport, former players, they are all saying Sam can really do well here this season if called upon, I agree with that

you'll notice in that post 1368 I extended the same belief to BP and TL, they can do it too, BP needs to get the health right, TL needs to make strides this offseason, but no reason to sit here in May and say these guys can't do it

Expectations and opinions are not the same thing as possibilities though.

NY and I both don't see Sam making a career resurrection here, but neither of us are saying it's impossible.

There are arguments for both sides. I'm going off what I've seen with my own eyes. I had huge concerns with Sam as prospect out of USC and had some serious doubts based on some of those issues he entered with. At this stage in his career, while sure he's not necessarily beyond repair, the fact is he's still making the same mistakes he did back then.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I was about to say...

Post 1368

i was replying to NY in that exchange, he said he sees no Cinderella story for Sam here
that's a lack of imagination imo, I can see a story like that for all our guys, you don't think it's possible for Sam to have a great season here?

I've been sharing thoughts in here about ppl all around the league, coaches, GMs, scouts, ppl who cover the sport, former players, they are all saying Sam can really do well here this season if called upon, I agree with that

you'll notice in that post 1368 I extended the same belief to BP and TL, they can do it too, BP needs to get the health right, TL needs to make strides this offseason, but no reason to sit here in May and say these guys can't do it

Expectations and opinions are not the same thing as possibilities though.

NY and I both don't see Sam making a career resurrection here, but neither of us are saying it's impossible.

There are arguments for both sides. I'm going off what I've seen with my own eyes. I had huge concerns with Sam as prospect out of USC and had some serious doubts based on some of those issues he entered with. At this stage in his career, while sure he's not necessarily beyond repair, the fact is he's still making the same mistakes he did back then.

I agree with the Steve Young take, he said it was very smart for Sam to sign here, he probably left money on the table for the best team around the QB spot to rehab his career. No reason he can't do it.

He's young, talented, moves well, throws well, the hope here, he's gotta show the bad situations were holding him back. But he is a playmaker, check the breakdown of his first few TDs coming into the league, he has this one with no one open, and he runs around for such a duration, guys uncover. He had to pull those kind of stunts, cuz the NYJ of a handful of years ago, couldn't separate. Whoever plays QB here, is gonna have just a loaded situation, and should look very good.

I don't care if it's Trey, Brock or Sam leading the way I trust Kyle to choose the right guy. but honestly my hope and preference would be Trey because I just think he's a good dude who works hard, has been dealt unlucky cards add the fact the amount we traded for him and his upside is tremendous. But at the end of the day if you're wearing that red and gold I'll support 100%. I just want a gah damn SB winning qb and stick with him for years to come

I can only recall one time, 89 & 90, when we had three potential starting QB's on the roster. And to be honest it wasn't till 90 that fans realised that Steve Bono could do the job. I know they all have faults but who doesn't? I find it awesome that after last years injury merry-go-round we have these options. And right now, any of them could end up leading the team.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Sam's throwing is excellent. Regardless of the motion, last year per PFR he hit on a 77.1% on target rate. For comparison, Jimmy's on target rate last year was 74.5% and Mahomes' was also 77.1%. The article that said he may be the "best 49ers thrower of all time" might have been hyperbole, but it wasn't summoned out of thin air.

EDIT: since we're here, Purdy's was 77%. Lance's was mostly in a deluge so I'm not taking his low on target percentage seriously. It's bad data. But Sam and Brock were excellent.

Please, no he isn't. Using 140 passing attempts to pretend he's an amazing thrower is a horrible rebuttal.

let's talk about bad% throw and on target throws if you're gonna use just stats to backup a horrible take.

Sam's other years of legit football….

2018-on target not a stat, 4th overall in bad throw %
2019-15th overall in on target% 17th in bad throw%
2020-32nd in the league in on target% top 10 in bad throw%
2021-24th in the league in target% and top 10 in bad throw%

so by you tossing out this random stat. You're saying Josh allen isn't an excellent thrower? 23rd in the league last yr.

Also regardless of nothing. If you have s**tty footwork you can't be an accurate QB. Period. His footwork has been bad since college. He's not accurate at all. Toss in a well documented loop throwing motion and what is he exactly good at "as a thrower"? I mean if you're throwing the football vs air then yeah I'm sure he has a pretty throw. So does Zach Wilson.

people trying way to hard to pretend Sam is anything but one of the worst starting QBs since he was drafted.

Yes, this is precisely what I'm talking about. He's a very natural thrower. That's like 25% of playing QB though. If he's only got 10% of the rest of it, he's hot garbage.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i was replying to NY in that exchange, he said he sees no Cinderella story for Sam here
that's a lack of imagination imo, I can see a story like that for all our guys, you don't think it's possible for Sam to have a great season here?

I've been sharing thoughts in here about ppl all around the league, coaches, GMs, scouts, ppl who cover the sport, former players, they are all saying Sam can really do well here this season if called upon, I agree with that

you'll notice in that post 1368 I extended the same belief to BP and TL, they can do it too, BP needs to get the health right, TL needs to make strides this offseason, but no reason to sit here in May and say these guys can't do it

Of course it's possible. But that isn't what you said. It's also possible that the guy who couldn't beat out Baker Mayfield or had a sub 3 QB rating is who we see. He's never played in this offense so there is nothing to go off of.

So to be clear your position is there is no reason to think Trey or Darnold can't match what Jimmy was doing last year?

IMO there were more people (from this forum and from outside this forum or non 49ers fans) saying that Darnold is a better QB and athlete than Garoppolo. If that's the case, I think I can sleep better having him either a backup or a starter. But to be honest really, I can't wait for what story the offseason programs will reveal for us because for me the only proven QB we have right now is Purdy and yes, those 7 games were enough to crown him that. Both Trey ( not enough samples yet) and Sam (no samples yet) are still unknown and untested as 49er QB's.

Sourdough Sam ❤️

I don't know much about him but looks like he is gunna bring added talent to our already talented team. Looking forward to seeing him play. It's great to have these three options for qb. Brings an added confidence, insurance and excitement. It should be fun:).

Originally posted by Montana:
Sourdough Sam ❤️

I don't know much about him but looks like he is gunna bring added talent to our already talented team. Looking forward to seeing him play. It's great to have these three options for qb. Brings an added confidence, insurance and excitement. It should be fun:).

Yeah, I feel like at least one is going to be really, really good.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Yeah, I feel like at least one is going to be really, really good.

And hopefully, we won't run out this time lol. But Colletto on wildcat should be good, just in case lol

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Yeah, I feel like at least one is going to be really, really good.

And hopefully, we won't run out this time lol. But Colletto on wildcat should be good, just in case lol

Oh yeah forgot about him. Assuming he even makes the team. Seems like a luxury. But then again having a guy who can actually pass the ball consistently and play other positions until he's needed as a QB would have served us well last year.

Yeah when we ran out of qbs in the champ game, someone said, "Call in Kap!" Or "Dial up Tebow." I didn't know whether to laugh or cry lol.

Originally posted by English:
I can only recall one time, 89 & 90, when we had three potential starting QB's on the roster. And to be honest it wasn't till 90 that fans realised that Steve Bono could do the job. I know they all have faults but who doesn't? I find it awesome that after last years injury merry-go-round we have these options. And right now, any of them could end up leading the team.

You nailed it!

Great problem to have as opposed to having no QB options.

Like Atlanta.