Originally posted by Scoots:
Originally posted by Since07:
Originally posted by Scoots:
Yeah, I have no issue in the attempt, I just think some parts of it are unlikely to succeed.
My point about the interview process is that the rule doesn't require the interviews to be equal, it just requires an interview to happen.
Bribery and collusion are potential legal issues, so it makes sense on that front to let it go to trial. I think denying a trial is a fairly high legal bar to clear.
Doesn't that almost make it worse? That the Rooney rule is kind of "pleasantry" or a way for owners to cover their asses only hiring white coaches? It's pretty damning that the giants got caught already making up their mind without giving Flores a chance when he has a better track record and accolades than Daboll. Thrown in the fact the Giants have never hired a minority.
In the end you hire who is the best coach your shouldn't be forced to hire a minority but in the Giants case they got caught red handed not even giving Flores a chance
The rule has been a formality in a lot of hiring and it's been clear for a long time. I don't pay that close of attention to the Giants ... they do have 8ish black assistant coaches. The reasons someone prefers one person over another doesn't always have to be record. Basically the Giants wanted to focus on offense and Daboll had been the OC on a top offense. Flores is a defensive coach. The problem is they screwed up in choosing Flores because he didn't want to play the game.
The NFL realized the Rooney rule wasn't really working so they've added more positions, more interviews, and more bonuses to the process. Now teams losing minority coaches/execs can get comp picks, and teams developing minority coaches/execs can get some bonuses (I don't remember what). Those changes are pretty new IIRC.
But still, IIRC there is no requirement for the interview to be before a final decision is taken on the position.
As to Flores' claim that the Dolphins fired him for racist reasons ... performance isn't the only reason to fire someone. Have you seen Moneyball? The manager in that movie won a lot but absolutely deserved to be fired for refusing to go with the plan. Supposedly the Dolphins owner (and presumably GM) wanted the team to tank and Flores refused ... that's reason enough to fire someone.
I think the NFL is racist argument is really hollow. I do think they are risk averse and have a long history of hiring lesser people for jobs because they are safe. It's not the NFL but Mark Jackson earned his way out of the job with the Warriors, and I'm surprised nobody else hired him, and it's almost certainly because the Warriors let out how much of a problem he was to them. Meanwhile Doc Rivers has had job after job after job after job even though he sucks as a coach. :)
I stopped at "have you seen the movie money ball" and "they wanted him to tank but he refused that's reason enough to fire him" 💀