Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
I'm sure Harbaugh would take Daniel Jones, Justin Fields, Anthony Richardson, Marcus Mariotta, over Herbert. They fit Roman's system.

Fans will get hung up on Herbert's passing stats, but he's not a fit for their scheme.

He ran the ball 4 per game last year, they want their QBs to run 8-10 times again running QB power and counters.

Herbert is an elite QB, but that's not his game.

They are going to trade an elite QB to hand the reigns over to a 3rd string QB in order to run 4-6 additional runs per game. Deprioritize the idea that their current QB had 3 interceptions over a full regular season attempting 30+ passes per game on a talent deficient offense.

The best part of this insane argument is that Lance may only be a marginally better runner than Herbert, if he is at all.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
I'm sure Harbaugh would take Daniel Jones, Justin Fields, Anthony Richardson, Marcus Mariotta, over Herbert. They fit Roman's system.

Fans will get hung up on Herbert's passing stats, but he's not a fit for their scheme.

He ran the ball 4 per game last year, they want their QBs to run 8-10 times again running QB power and counters.

Herbert is an elite QB, but that's not his game.

lance can't do that. he got smoked. martz called him slow and he looks it. he's stuck in a no man's land of being not quick twitch cuz he's pretty big, but he's not big enough vs nfl front sevens. daniel jones is similar, in that jones is pretty darn athletic, and he can take off 80 yards if you let him and he'll post a good mph. but he's not a designed qb run threat. so you say it's not herbert's game. well it's not lance's game either. harbs won the natty with jj mccarthy, who is in the herbert mold if you ask me.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
btw, this is how i would invest in QBs. take daniel jones when he's not costing you a single pick, take baker when he is a street FA, or darnold when he is. harbaugh just says hey this is a former #3 overall and i can get him in my offseason for essentially nothing. his investment in lance is a lot wiser than ours was.

in this upcoming draft, i would look at a draft faller like milroe. if you want to have the QB as a part of the run game with roman, that's your play. anthony richardson is about to be available. say what you will about richardson, you put him standing next to your halfback in short yardage, that's tough on a defensive front to stop. presnap the d doesn't even know who to key on. lance isn't that guy, he's not a physical runner at the pro level or a good runner. if you talk skill set, if lance was a functional good QB, athletically he would be daniel jones, who i actually like. i don't think you want jones or lance doing QB power. jones has had neck issues and lance got smoked. you want someone more physical like richardson, or more cat quick like lamar, for designed QB run.

I'm sure Harbaugh would take Daniel Jones, Justin Fields, Anthony Richardson, Marcus Mariotta, over Herbert. They fit Roman's system.

Fans will get hung up on Herbert's passing stats, but he's not a fit for their scheme.

Herbert has an injury history,Trey will take over either in training camp or if Herbert gets carted off.

The conventional wisdom on Trey is wrong, it's why I posted.

You can't find any film of Trey's recent preseason and regular season game support your bias.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
I'm sure Harbaugh would take Daniel Jones, Justin Fields, Anthony Richardson, Marcus Mariotta, over Herbert. They fit Roman's system.

Fans will get hung up on Herbert's passing stats, but he's not a fit for their scheme.

Herbert has an injury history,Trey will take over either in training camp or if Herbert gets carted off.

The conventional wisdom on Trey is wrong, it's why I posted.

You can't find any film of Trey's recent preseason and regular season game support your bias.

Your 'hypothesis' was the Chargers would trade Herbert post 6/1, lol.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
I'm sure Harbaugh would take Daniel Jones, Justin Fields, Anthony Richardson, Marcus Mariotta, over Herbert. They fit Roman's system.

Fans will get hung up on Herbert's passing stats, but he's not a fit for their scheme.

Herbert has an injury history,Trey will take over either in training camp or if Herbert gets carted off.

The conventional wisdom on Trey is wrong, it's why I posted.

You can't find any film of Trey's recent preseason and regular season game support your bias.

his last preseason he was picked like 5 times by scrubs. in SF he was turning down dudes wide open. vs scrubs again. in nfl, it's a timing / rhythm pass game. when it's schemed up, blocked up, wr ran his route wide open, ball has to come out. trey doesn't see it and he doesn't throw it. he's bad to the point of being non functional. that's why he didn't play in dallas, even with the door to the job blown wide open when dak went down. nfl has a concept known as take advantage of your opportunities. or be ready for them. that was a huge opportunity. trey wasn't ready for it. he didn't seize it. he got stiff armed out of the QB job for months, by cooper rush. dallas saw the same thing we saw. cooper rush was functional and trey wasn't. they played the functional guy. you kind of have to play the functional guy. it's just not fair to everyone else on the team to play the non functional guy. if you are OL or WR and the ball isn't coming out when guys are wide open, you start to get a mutiny. particularly when there's someone else on roster who can get the ball out.

You have to laugh when someone makes the argument that a QB who has only missed 4 starts over his entire career, has an 'injury history' in order to make an argument for Trey Lance, who suffered a season ending injury running the exact offense the poster believes is the ultimate goal of his new coach. Trey Lance has had multiple injuries in just 5 career starts and less than 10 appearances total. I mean holy s**t.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
his last preseason he was picked like 5 times by scrubs. in SF he was turning down dudes wide open. vs scrubs again. in nfl, it's a timing / rhythm pass game. when it's schemed up, blocked up, wr ran his route wide open, ball has to come out. trey doesn't see it and he doesn't throw it. he's bad to the point of being non functional. that's why he didn't play in dallas, even with the door to the job blown wide open when dak went down. nfl has a concept known as take advantage of your opportunities. or be ready for them. that was a huge opportunity. trey wasn't ready for it. he didn't seize it. he got stiff armed out of the QB job for months, by cooper rush. dallas saw the same thing we saw. cooper rush was functional and trey wasn't. they played the functional guy. you kind of have to play the functional guy. it's just not fair to everyone else on the team to play the non functional guy. if you are OL or WR and the ball isn't coming out when guys are wide open, you start to get a mutiny. particularly when there's someone else on roster who can get the ball out.

Just stop. You didn't read my post or watch any film on the game, yet you have an entrenched opinion that can't be changed.

That's the definition of willfully ignorance.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
his last preseason he was picked like 5 times by scrubs. in SF he was turning down dudes wide open. vs scrubs again. in nfl, it's a timing / rhythm pass game. when it's schemed up, blocked up, wr ran his route wide open, ball has to come out. trey doesn't see it and he doesn't throw it. he's bad to the point of being non functional. that's why he didn't play in dallas, even with the door to the job blown wide open when dak went down. nfl has a concept known as take advantage of your opportunities. or be ready for them. that was a huge opportunity. trey wasn't ready for it. he didn't seize it. he got stiff armed out of the QB job for months, by cooper rush. dallas saw the same thing we saw. cooper rush was functional and trey wasn't. they played the functional guy. you kind of have to play the functional guy. it's just not fair to everyone else on the team to play the non functional guy. if you are OL or WR and the ball isn't coming out when guys are wide open, you start to get a mutiny. particularly when there's someone else on roster who can get the ball out.

Just stop. You didn't read my post or watch any film on the game, yet you have an entrenched opinion that can't be changed.

That's the definition of willfully ignorance.

my opinion is trey probably worth nothing or near nothing which is what LA has committed to him. that can be changed only by trey. your statement is you can't find any film to support my idea. that's false. we saw the film before he was traded out. it was jto saying this is the stuff right here that gets you out of the NFL. look at the trey lance QB schools. then look at the fact he doesn't have much regular season film, cuz he was behind cooper rush. ask yourself why that was.

Trey Lance shows promise - Bryan DeArdo, CBSSports

"With Lance, it's important to evaluate him not as a former No. 3 overall pick but simply as a young quarterback who is still finding his way in the NFL. When looking at Lance's Sunday under that lens, there was plenty to like.

After a slow start (he went 8 of 17 in the first half), Lance found somewhat of a rhythm as the game progressed. He completed 17 of his 24 attempts in the second half while directing two scoring drives and two other drives that could have led to points. Lance was also the Cowboys' leading rusher with 44 yards on six carries.

Yes, Lance had some passes that were either off the mark, like his incompletion to Jalen Moreno-Cropper on 4th-and-goal at the end of the first quarter. But for the most part, it was a positive step for Lance, who is still in the midst of his first full season with the Cowboys."

Trey Lance delivers uneven performance. Bobby Kownack, NFL.com

"This was the 24-year-old's first preseason opportunity since the 49ers shipped him to Dallas last year. The results were mixed, and ultimately trended toward poor. Lance had all but the team's first drive to work with, finishing 25 of 41 for 188 yards and no team touchdowns. He did make some impressive throws and riddled a few defenders on scrambles (six carries for 44 yards) to move the sticks.

However, Lance too often missed passes badly, perhaps setting the tone for his day with a fourth-down fade placed well out of bounds to waste his first drive. He was antsy in the pocket throughout and rarely on time. It's not ideal that he looked infinitely more dangerous running than he ever did throwing, nor is it that Cooper Rush showed more promise as QB2 in a rather short outing."

Cowboys' Trey Lance Draws Rave Reviews from NFL Fans in Preseason Win vs. Raiders

Andrew PetersAug 18, 2024

Trey Lance once again proved that he could be a solid backup for the Dallas Cowboys this season.

The quarterback put together another strong showing in a 27-12 preseason win against the Las Vegas Raiders on Saturday. He picked up 151 passing yards and a touchdown on 15-of-23 passing, also adding 36 rushing yards and a touchdown on the ground.

He also finished with no interceptions or sacks, showing some growth in his pocket awareness.

'It's just not good enough right now yall. Too many moving parts, not throwing it accurate enough, not playing on time enough, not being what I would consider a good enough NFL quarterback right now to maybe be on any roster…'



'no doubt an improvement. I thought they leaned into his athleticism, letting him run, using his legs, maybe a little bit of hero ball. I thought the throwing… saw some anticipation… saw a little bit better accuracy. I still think, you know, there's a substantial concern about his ability to put the ball where he wants consistently throwing it. It's just not as consistent as damn near anybody else who plays a long time, stays in the league a long time… that's just the reality of what I see when I see some of the misses, and I think it's most glaring on throws that should be easier…'

Meanwhile, in SinceXVI's world, you can't find any film to back up criticisms of Lance's game, and a 1.5 million dollar guarantee means he's going to be replacing an elite QB any second now in LA. He played 'well' last preseason, lol.

Chargers preseason highlights.

its funny, I keep seeing SmokeyJoe responding, too bad I've blocked him.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:


Trey Lance shows promise - Bryan DeArdo, CBSSports

"With Lance, it's important to evaluate him not as a former No. 3 overall pick but simply as a young quarterback who is still finding his way in the NFL. When looking at Lance's Sunday under that lens, there was plenty to like.

After a slow start (he went 8 of 17 in the first half), Lance found somewhat of a rhythm as the game progressed. He completed 17 of his 24 attempts in the second half while directing two scoring drives and two other drives that could have led to points. Lance was also the Cowboys' leading rusher with 44 yards on six carries.

Yes, Lance had some passes that were either off the mark, like his incompletion to Jalen Moreno-Cropper on 4th-and-goal at the end of the first quarter. But for the most part, it was a positive step for Lance, who is still in the midst of his first full season with the Cowboys."

Trey Lance delivers uneven performance. Bobby Kownack, NFL.com

"This was the 24-year-old's first preseason opportunity since the 49ers shipped him to Dallas last year. The results were mixed, and ultimately trended toward poor. Lance had all but the team's first drive to work with, finishing 25 of 41 for 188 yards and no team touchdowns. He did make some impressive throws and riddled a few defenders on scrambles (six carries for 44 yards) to move the sticks.

However, Lance too often missed passes badly, perhaps setting the tone for his day with a fourth-down fade placed well out of bounds to waste his first drive. He was antsy in the pocket throughout and rarely on time. It's not ideal that he looked infinitely more dangerous running than he ever did throwing, nor is it that Cooper Rush showed more promise as QB2 in a rather short outing."

Lol.

Cowboys Redskins week 18. Marcus Mariotta played really well in this game.

As I've said, it's about scheme and cap management. Harbaugh knows he can win with any QB with a skill set right for Roman's scheme, it isn't Herbert.

It'll be Lance, but just as easily could've been Justin Fields, Marcus Mariotta, Daniel Jones, Anthony Richardson, etc.

I'd think Trey would have something better to do than post on his former teams fan forum page. But that would explain why he's ass