Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Giedi:
If you flip the positions - Brock Drafted #3 in 2021, and Trey drafted last in 2022 - it's a wash.

Give the Niners credit for picking Purdy. But if they really believed in him, they wouldn't have waited until the very last pick in the draft. The pick was just an afterthought that happened to turn into a home run.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Jed forced the pick IMO

lol

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by napo:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Sometimes this stuff isn't that complicated. KS wanted his Mahomes / Josh Allen. We reached for the traits. Turns out, those guys are a lil hard to find, and the draft is a crapshoot. The tin foil hats, can come off.

Based on his minimal record in college, trading 3 first round draft choices for Trey was simply a huge error in judgment. Too much of a gamble to justify the massive expenditure.

To be fair, people say 3 firsts but that really wasn't technically true. It was 2 firsts to swap spots.

That said.. At this point yeah, no matter how you slice it, it comes out as a horrific trade. Thank God we got Purdy. Could you imagine if we didn't have him and Jimmy was gone now? I don't want to think about that.

More accurate to say three firsts to select Trey?

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Jed forced the pick IMO

I've argued about it a bunch but there's no way Kyle wasn't on board. Now the conversations that happened behind the scenes to get him there. If needed, might be pretty revealing. Our vocal fanbase was in a full on meltdown before the pick was made and Jed certainly noticed. He gave the game away with his draft day antics.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Jed forced the pick IMO

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I have not seen the Grant stuff

Dancing around the racism angle, and accusing Kyle of intentionally sabotaging Trey.

Basically gassing up the Trey nutters on Twitter.

The old spend 3 ones and sabotage maneuver. Works every time.

LMAO! Yup, works 100% of the time, 60% of the time.

LOL oddly enough it's what I eluded to in my previous post.

Of course Cohn is a pos and click bait machine, but lets take the more reasoned mature approach.

They traded the farm for Lance. We knew Lance would need time and have some growing pains. That never really happened because he got hurt, but now Kyle dropped him so fast for Purdy I do find it a bit alarming tbh. Is Lance that bad, is Purdy that good? I mean they targeted Lance and lucked into Purdy by all measures. The whole process doesn't give me a ton of new confidence in Kyles ability regarding QB's to date.

IMO its obvious Purdy is the better QB now, but he must believe Lance wont ever develop either? That is a pretty damn big miss and they better hope Purdy is it otherwise they pooched this rosters prime.

Coaches that *Lucked* into their hall of fame QB's - were pretty good coaches in their own right. Noll, Shula, Landry, Walsh, Belichick. Why not Kyle?

You are right, but you also know what I mean. They sold their souls for Lance, and took a flyer on Purdy at the end. Of course if he ends up being a hall of famer who cares in hindsight. I am simply questioning how they evaluate and decide.

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
More accurate to say three firsts to select Trey?

Yep. They spent 3 first round picks on him. The traded 3 vs traded 2 argument is one of the more silly things I've seen, lol.

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by napo:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Sometimes this stuff isn't that complicated. KS wanted his Mahomes / Josh Allen. We reached for the traits. Turns out, those guys are a lil hard to find, and the draft is a crapshoot. The tin foil hats, can come off.

Based on his minimal record in college, trading 3 first round draft choices for Trey was simply a huge error in judgment. Too much of a gamble to justify the massive expenditure.

To be fair, people say 3 firsts but that really wasn't technically true. It was 2 firsts to swap spots.

That said.. At this point yeah, no matter how you slice it, it comes out as a horrific trade. Thank God we got Purdy. Could you imagine if we didn't have him and Jimmy was gone now? I don't want to think about that.

More accurate to say three firsts to select Trey?

It's a silly never ending debate, but to me it will always be 3 firsts.

Cuz the answer, to who we got, with our 2021 1st, our 2022 1st, and our 2023 1st is one name, Trey Lance. We got no one else, with three years of round 1s.

Originally posted by napo:

Originally posted by Giedi:
If you flip the positions - Brock Drafted #3 in 2021, and Trey drafted last in 2022 - it's a wash.

Give the Niners credit for picking Purdy. But if they really believed in him, they wouldn't have waited until the very last pick in the draft. The pick was just an afterthought that happened to turn into a home run.

Same thing with Tom and Belichick, and Kurt wasn't even drafted. But for Mariucci's stupidity, Vermeil got Kurt. Bottom line, again, I think this sunk cost stuff and expending too much draft capital for Lance is cured by ShanaLynch picking Purdy. Yeah, agree, ShanaLynch got lucky, but - so it seems - they also got a bit unlucky with Trey. Having said that, I still think it's too early to give up on Trey.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
To be fair, people say 3 firsts but that really wasn't technically true. It was 2 firsts to swap spots.

That said.. At this point yeah, no matter how you slice it, it comes out as a horrific trade. Thank God we got Purdy. Could you imagine if we didn't have him and Jimmy was gone now? I don't want to think about that.

Didn't think about that..but if Purdy didn't come along the way he did, we probs would still have Jimmy idk. It was kinda fun and a little sad lol to see the saltiness yesterday with the fans. Raiders fans don't disappoint in being probably the worst in the league. Next to the Eagles? But some 9ers fans yesterday were bad, lol saw a couple get into an argument telling each other to f-off, we indeed had a bad game lol. Did ppl forget it was a preseason game? Or is it always personal against the Raiders? Lol

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I have not seen the Grant stuff

Dancing around the racism angle, and accusing Kyle of intentionally sabotaging Trey.

Basically gassing up the Trey nutters on Twitter.

The old spend 3 ones and sabotage maneuver. Works every time.

LMAO! Yup, works 100% of the time, 60% of the time.

LOL oddly enough it's what I eluded to in my previous post.

Of course Cohn is a pos and click bait machine, but lets take the more reasoned mature approach.

They traded the farm for Lance. We knew Lance would need time and have some growing pains. That never really happened because he got hurt, but now Kyle dropped him so fast for Purdy I do find it a bit alarming tbh. Is Lance that bad, is Purdy that good? I mean they targeted Lance and lucked into Purdy by all measures. The whole process doesn't give me a ton of new confidence in Kyles ability regarding QB's to date.

IMO its obvious Purdy is the better QB now, but he must believe Lance wont ever develop either? That is a pretty damn big miss and they better hope Purdy is it otherwise they pooched this rosters prime.

Coaches that *Lucked* into their hall of fame QB's - were pretty good coaches in their own right. Noll, Shula, Landry, Walsh, Belichick. Why not Kyle?

You are right, but you also know what I mean. They sold their souls for Lance, and took a flyer on Purdy at the end. Of course if he ends up being a hall of famer who cares in hindsight. I am simply questioning how they evaluate and decide.

I think Kyle has a good track record of developing QB's, and even in drafting - he got RG3, but for the injuries, RG3 would still be playing and maybe even have gotten deeper in the playoffs. Jimmy, Cousins, and so many others have benefitted and were developed to be better QB's because of Kyle and are still playing in the NFL on other teams. In other words, he's fine as a QB evaluator. The problem is that his offense can only be run by a particular kind of QB. Those *kinds* of QB's don't fall off the turnip truck. Nobody saw Jimmy but for Kyle and John. The main reason Belichick gave Jimmy to the 49ers vs the Rams or another NFC team was because he knew Kyle would give Jimmy a good home and coach him up the way he was deserving of. A good coach like Belichick knows another good coach. Birds of a feather flock together.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

The 49ers OL (all backups) allowed 11 pressures on 36 dropbacks (30.5%) on Sunday per @PFF. Woof.

— Kyle, a Madson (@KyleAMadson) August 14, 2023

PFF had Trey Lance under pressure on 10 of his 20 dropbacks. Quick math tells me that's 50%.

Sam Darnold pressured on 3 of 8 dropbacks (37.5%).

Brandon Allen pressured once on 8 dropbacks (12.5%).

— Kyle, a Madson (@KyleAMadson) August 14, 2023

30.5% pressure rate isn't bad overall. Sounds like the o line started to settle more and more as the game went on. 50% is super high though. The pass pro didn't do Trey any favors but Trey's 3.87 TTT under pressure suggests he didn't do them any favors either. I am sure Trey will do his part and get his mistakes corrected. I expect him to come out looking a lot better next week.

Brock finished last year at 3.6 TTT

We all know how often Brock held the ball looking down field....

That is the one misleading part of TTT.... your quick throws can be super quick, and then inflated by long holds....since it is an average.

Merge TTT with Completion Percentage and average depth of throw and that will tell you what your eyes already have.

In Lance's case the dude did not look ready for that game, I wonder if the team does not script the first 10-15 plays for preseason like they do in the regular season. You would think Lance knew what plays he was going to be running for at least the last week, if not last 2 weeks.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

The 49ers OL (all backups) allowed 11 pressures on 36 dropbacks (30.5%) on Sunday per @PFF. Woof.

— Kyle, a Madson (@KyleAMadson) August 14, 2023

PFF had Trey Lance under pressure on 10 of his 20 dropbacks. Quick math tells me that's 50%.

Sam Darnold pressured on 3 of 8 dropbacks (37.5%).

Brandon Allen pressured once on 8 dropbacks (12.5%).

— Kyle, a Madson (@KyleAMadson) August 14, 2023

30.5% pressure rate isn't bad overall. Sounds like the o line started to settle more and more as the game went on. 50% is super high though. The pass pro didn't do Trey any favors but Trey's 3.87 TTT under pressure suggests he didn't do them any favors either. I am sure Trey will do his part and get his mistakes corrected. I expect him to come out looking a lot better next week.

Brock finished last year at 3.6 TTT

We all know how often Brock held the ball looking down field....

That is the one misleading part of TTT.... your quick throws can be super quick, and then inflated by long holds....since it is an average.

Merge TTT with Completion Percentage and average depth of throw and that will tell you what your eyes already have.

In Lance's case the dude did not look ready for that game, I wonder if the team does not script the first 10-15 plays for preseason like they do in the regular season. You would think Lance knew what plays he was going to be running for at least the last week, if not last 2 weeks.

According to the KPIX broadcast, Kyle scripted the first 16 plays yesterday.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
According to the KPIX broadcast, Kyle scripted the first 16 plays yesterday.

Even worse. Lol that's a terrible look for everyone on O. You should be more prepared and focused if that's the case. No surprises in the play calling

Kyle said half the sacks were on trey