Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by genus49:
I have a bad feeling Kyle is just dead set to get rid of Trey and honestly that scares me.

It scares me because it's incredibly irrational and dangerous. Potentially because we lucked into Brock the move for Trey can be brushed aside and essentially called even. But how can our evaluation of Trey be so terrible to make such a big move and then not give him the tools to try to turn him into the best version of himself?

The kid is clearly putting in the work to improve but it's borderline malpractice to give Trey that few reps over a 55 game starter in Darnold and friggin Brandon Allen.

Because Kyle doesn't know how to develop a QB. It seemed like he was all in on developing one when he drafted Trey but he got impatient and wasn't willing to help him grow. It's definitely malpractice to give him so few reps when he knows he needs them.

Kyle has developed Brock really well.

Agree, add to that Nick Mullens, BeatHard is still in the NFL, so is Cousins.

How much development have those guys done with Kyle?

Cousins - 4 year college player, 3 year starter(Kirk's best play has been without Kyle btw)
Beathard - 4 year college player, 3 year starter
Mullens - 4 year college player, 4 year starter
Purdy - 4 year college player, 4 year starter

Now Kyle's scheme certainly is QB friendly but as far as actual development? There hasn't been a great track record of that.

Cousins's best season wasn't in his rookie and 2nd season. Isn't that expected? What exactly is your point?

Also, are you saying a 4 year college QB should be fully develop as an NFL QB the moment they got drafted? If that is your point, nobody agrees with you.

No I think he is saying that the players who've been more developed by the time you get here, have had the most success. The guys who needed the most development, didn't get it here and struggled.

idk if that's true, I haven't really spent time thinking about it, just how I'm interpreted it.

My biggest issue with Lance is his accuracy. The only player I've seen in recent memory that really improved all aspects of accuracy to be an elite thrower is Josh allen. I know it isn't impossible but it's very unlikely. So when I look at Lance, I see some things about his game that are very unlikely going to improve to the level of An elite qb.

This is just dumb. You can't judge anyone based off of training camp day 3.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

REPORT: 'The vibe' coming from the San Francisco #49ers is that Sam Darnold is the QB2 and Trey Lance is the QB3, per @ProFootballTalk.

Lance was the third overall selection in 2021. pic.twitter.com/14F09bkBrL

— MLFootball (@_MLFootball) July 28, 2023

We reporting vibes now?

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

REPORT: 'The vibe' coming from the San Francisco #49ers is that Sam Darnold is the QB2 and Trey Lance is the QB3, per @ProFootballTalk.

Lance was the third overall selection in 2021. pic.twitter.com/14F09bkBrL

— MLFootball (@_MLFootball) July 28, 2023

We reporting vibes now?

I keep hearing it, some are getting it from PFT like the above, others are getting it from Florio / Simms; this convo
what do we make of it?
I think they are still hashing things out, so everyone is just guessing; I am seeing this vibe in a lot of places tho

If (still a big if) it turns out that Trey Lance was just too raw to be the starting QB on a "win now" team I hope he succeeds elsewhere, presumably traded this next offseason. It's a tough business, and maybe what is best for Lance is to go to a much less talented team overall so he can get the live game reps without the Super Bowl aspirations hanging over him.

Can't fault the team too much for drafting the QB they felt had the best upside in the 2021 draft at their #3 spot. I'd always rather they do that. Life doesn't play out as you always plan, and circumstances vaulted Purdy to the forefront, and his college experience turned out to likely be the biggest difference between how he could perform on this team than how Lance could, with injuries making Lance's time so much more limited.

And for a win-now team, Purdy-Darnold as 1-2 simply makes more sense from an experience standpoint, unless Lance can show that he brings something to the table that compensates for his inexperience.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

REPORT: 'The vibe' coming from the San Francisco #49ers is that Sam Darnold is the QB2 and Trey Lance is the QB3, per @ProFootballTalk.

Lance was the third overall selection in 2021. pic.twitter.com/14F09bkBrL

— MLFootball (@_MLFootball) July 28, 2023

We reporting vibes now?

I keep hearing it, some are getting it from PFT like the above, others are getting it from Florio / Simms; this convo
what do we make of it?
I think they are still hashing things out, so everyone is just guessing; I am seeing this vibe in a lot of places tho

Mike Florio: The vibe coming from the team is Sam Darnold QB2 and Trey Lance QB3

Chris Sims: Yes, right

😬😬😬#49ers pic.twitter.com/cWkgbvHYUO

— Kevin Krueger (@kevinkruegs) July 27, 2023

lol

Originally posted by captveg:
If (still a big if) it turns out that Trey Lance was just too raw to be the starting QB on a "win now" team I hope he succeeds elsewhere, presumably traded this next offseason. It's a tough business, and maybe what is best for Lance is to go to a much less talented team overall so he can get the live game reps without the Super Bowl aspirations hanging over him.

Can't fault the team too much for drafting the QB they felt had the best upside in the 2021 draft at their #3 spot. I'd always rather they do that. Life doesn't play out as you always plan, and circumstances vaulted Purdy to the forefront, and his college experience turned out to likely be the biggest difference between how he could perform on this team than how Lance could, with injuries making Lance's time so much more limited.

And for a win-now team, Purdy-Darnold as 1-2 simply makes more sense from an experience standpoint, unless Lance can show that he brings something to the table that compensates for his inexperience.

They are probably challenging TL here, to see if he responds well

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

REPORT: 'The vibe' coming from the San Francisco #49ers is that Sam Darnold is the QB2 and Trey Lance is the QB3, per @ProFootballTalk.

Lance was the third overall selection in 2021. pic.twitter.com/14F09bkBrL

— MLFootball (@_MLFootball) July 28, 2023

We reporting vibes now?

I keep hearing it, some are getting it from PFT like the above, others are getting it from Florio / Simms; this convo
what do we make of it?
I think they are still hashing things out, so everyone is just guessing; I am seeing this vibe in a lot of places tho

Mike Florio: The vibe coming from the team is Sam Darnold QB2 and Trey Lance QB3

Chris Sims: Yes, right

😬😬😬#49ers pic.twitter.com/cWkgbvHYUO

— Kevin Krueger (@kevinkruegs) July 27, 2023

LOL @ taking Florio seriously. Simms too. If this is what they are reporting, its pretty much a certainty that its wrong.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
LOL @ taking Florio seriously. Simms too. If this is what they are reporting, its pretty much a certainty that its wrong.

Probably so. Or at least, it is too early to say for sure. They are just offering their hunch. I think Darnold here, is at least putting some pressure on TL. I think that is a good thing, to see if he responds. Sometimes the team takes that tactic, like when BA was in the doghouse, he responded well from that. Is TL in the doghouse?

It's time for Trey Lance to move on, at this point he's technically a bust as he has not lived up to his draft status (mostly due to Shanahan's negligence), and will not get the reps or games necessary to develop into a good QB.

He has the talent, work ethic, intelligence, maturity, and character to succeed in this league, but it's just not going to work out for him here.

Seeing him putting in the effort to improve his mechanics and continuing to say all the right things in interviews but still getting a lack of support from the organization, media, and a significant portion of the fanbase, makes me think of Jimi Hendrix's "Castles Made of Sand"; a song about the bitter irony of life, in which we sometimes have no control of the final outcome despite putting forth our best efforts.

As it stands he's headed towards the same career path as Sam Bradford, Robert Griffin III, Carson Wentz, and Andrew Luck, talented can't miss prospects undermined by untimely injuries, unmet expectations, and lack of organizational support.

That's football, that's life. Lance, jump ship to Tampa, Houston, or Pittsburgh while you still have a chance to actually compete for a starting spot this season.

Hope Purdy delivers #6 this year, because the team most likely won't be as loaded next year with the potential FA exodus of Aiyuk and Jennings.

- Traded up and spent three 1st round picks on him.
- Contract worth ~ 40 million dollars
- Two years worth of planning around him including handing him the starting job without competition.

He struggled in his limited time and unfortunately gets injured, effectively wasting an entire offseason of planning strictly for him… including an apparent willingness to allow a Super Bowl team to step back for his development. Another player emerges and shows great promise in the meantime.

Now he's competing for his role on the team just like the vast majority of players that come into the league.

And people think he hasn't received the support of the organization, or the organization has engaged in malpractice. Bonkers.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
- Traded up and spent three 1st round picks on him.
- Contract worth ~ 40 million dollars
- Two years worth of planning around him including handing him the starting job without competition.

He struggled in his limited time and unfortunately gets injured, effectively wasting an entire offseason of planning strictly for him… including an apparent willingness to allow a Super Bowl team to step back for his development. Another player emerges and shows great promise in the meantime.

Now he's competing for his role on the team just like the vast majority of players that come into the league.

And people think he hasn't received the support of the organization, or the organization has engaged in malpractice. Bonkers.

I honestly haven't been following this thread too much the last couple weeks, is that what people are saying?

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
- Traded up and spent three 1st round picks on him.
- Contract worth ~ 40 million dollars
- Two years worth of planning around him including handing him the starting job without competition.

He struggled in his limited time and unfortunately gets injured, effectively wasting an entire offseason of planning strictly for him… including an apparent willingness to allow a Super Bowl team to step back for his development. Another player emerges and shows great promise in the meantime.

Now he's competing for his role on the team just like the vast majority of players that come into the league.

And people think he hasn't received the support of the organization, or the organization has engaged in malpractice. Bonkers.

I find Kyle condradicts himself though. He says Trey losing his starting job had nothing to do with him but more to do with how Brock played. Well if that's the case why bring in Darnold? Why not just name Trey the #2 guy and if Brock is not healthy he becomes #1 until he does? Because afterall Kyle said it had nothing to do with Trey's play and all about how great Brock played. So he should have no problem putting Trey back in there if Brock had a setback.

I have no issue with Brock being the #1, He earned it. My issue is having Trey have to jump through hoops to compete for the #2. How many backup QB competitions do you see in the NFL?

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
- Traded up and spent three 1st round picks on him.
- Contract worth ~ 40 million dollars
- Two years worth of planning around him including handing him the starting job without competition.

He struggled in his limited time and unfortunately gets injured, effectively wasting an entire offseason of planning strictly for him… including an apparent willingness to allow a Super Bowl team to step back for his development. Another player emerges and shows great promise in the meantime.

Now he's competing for his role on the team just like the vast majority of players that come into the league.

And people think he hasn't received the support of the organization, or the organization has engaged in malpractice. Bonkers.

I honestly haven't been following this thread too much the last couple weeks, is that what people are saying?

I see something along the lines, in the post above Smokey's post:

"talented can't miss prospects undermined by untimely injuries, unmet expectations, and lack of organizational support."