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Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Only second day and folks jumping to conclusions lol


This is why I've said all along that I still don't think a trade is out of the realm of possibility, I'm just looking at the teams actions and they've went very far out of their way to make sure Sam & Allen get meaningful snaps to help them learn the offense and get acclimated, at least so far.

I doubt one person would say that the best way to get Lance ready to be the backup or compete for QB1 is to take reps away from him.

I'm not saying it's likely or going to happen, but I think it's clear that they're leaving that door open. Pumping up treys value (really Trey is Doing that himself with the work he's put in, I don't want to take that from him).



It's day 2 bro.

Did these fools not see Josh Johnson starting in the NFC championship?

4 qbs throwing right now is a GOOD thing.
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Originally posted by eric_anthony:
Originally posted by genus49:
I have a bad feeling Kyle is just dead set to get rid of Trey and honestly that scares me.

It scares me because it's incredibly irrational and dangerous. Potentially because we lucked into Brock the move for Trey can be brushed aside and essentially called even. But how can our evaluation of Trey be so terrible to make such a big move and then not give him the tools to try to turn him into the best version of himself?

The kid is clearly putting in the work to improve but it's borderline malpractice to give Trey that few reps over a 55 game starter in Darnold and friggin Brandon Allen.

Because Kyle doesn't know how to develop a QB. It seemed like he was all in on developing one when he drafted Trey but he got impatient and wasn't willing to help him grow. It's definitely malpractice to give him so few reps when he knows he needs them.
Kyle has developed Brock really well.
Originally posted by Crown:
Did these fools not see Josh Johnson starting in the NFC championship?

4 qbs throwing right now is a GOOD thing.

You realize we aren't going to keep all four, right? Lol we def aren't going to carry four on the 53 - you really think allen is going to clear waivers and make the practice squad? Extremely unlikely - especially with the good reports coming out of camp about him, factor in probable injuries on other teams. Lol

so yeah, let's take away reps from Sam/Lance for a player that's 95%+ not going to be on the team. Very wise move and best for the team.
[ Edited by tankle104 on Jul 27, 2023 at 10:30 PM ]
Originally posted by Kolohe:
First off I think I responded to the wrong post. I meant to reply to the one saying we shouldn't pick up the 5th option if he doesn't start.

Obsessed with discussing the 5th year of a guy that's just finished his 1st 2 years.

But why???

Even without a 5th year, he still spends potentially 2 more years here. Let it go. Doesn't matter right now.
[ Edited by random49er on Jul 27, 2023 at 10:40 PM ]
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Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by eric_anthony:
Originally posted by genus49:
I have a bad feeling Kyle is just dead set to get rid of Trey and honestly that scares me.

It scares me because it's incredibly irrational and dangerous. Potentially because we lucked into Brock the move for Trey can be brushed aside and essentially called even. But how can our evaluation of Trey be so terrible to make such a big move and then not give him the tools to try to turn him into the best version of himself?

The kid is clearly putting in the work to improve but it's borderline malpractice to give Trey that few reps over a 55 game starter in Darnold and friggin Brandon Allen.

Because Kyle doesn't know how to develop a QB. It seemed like he was all in on developing one when he drafted Trey but he got impatient and wasn't willing to help him grow. It's definitely malpractice to give him so few reps when he knows he needs them.
Kyle has developed Brock really well.

Agree, add to that Nick Mullens, BeatHard is still in the NFL, so is Cousins.
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Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by eric_anthony:
Originally posted by genus49:
I have a bad feeling Kyle is just dead set to get rid of Trey and honestly that scares me.

It scares me because it's incredibly irrational and dangerous. Potentially because we lucked into Brock the move for Trey can be brushed aside and essentially called even. But how can our evaluation of Trey be so terrible to make such a big move and then not give him the tools to try to turn him into the best version of himself?

The kid is clearly putting in the work to improve but it's borderline malpractice to give Trey that few reps over a 55 game starter in Darnold and friggin Brandon Allen.

Because Kyle doesn't know how to develop a QB. It seemed like he was all in on developing one when he drafted Trey but he got impatient and wasn't willing to help him grow. It's definitely malpractice to give him so few reps when he knows he needs them.
Kyle has developed Brock really well.

Agree, add to that Nick Mullens, BeatHard is still in the NFL, so is Cousins.

Mullens and Beathard look just as bad as when we signed/drafted them, so I'm not sure he developed either of those tbh.
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Originally posted by tankle104:
Everyone knows I'm not a Trey lover but he looks much improved. With our injury history, I'd keep him as of right now for the upcoming season. After is a different discussion, have to see how the season plays out.

Trey is finally showing real growth (I know he was injured but doesn't change the fact he has minimal growth from year 1-2). He's already accounted for on the books. Let this season play out or let another team blow us away.

Qb injuries are a big concern and we have too good of a roster to bank it all on darnold if Brock goes down. Let's see if Lance really has it this year. I really like how he is looking in camp so far.

Agree, I think Allen is here on the off chance Trey falls off a cliff. I think Trey, if he shows any progress, is going to make the team because he is still so raw. I think Trey is in no danger of being cut as long as he can move the chains in pre-season.

Kyle knows Trey won't have the reps needed to develop his full potential because of Brock. It's just unfortunate for Trey that he got injured and a totally unknown guy comes in and plays lights out in replacement. But I think Trey is in the same position as Steve young was behind Joe.

Trey just has to fight and compete and I think he'll make the team with no problems. His potential is still extremely high, and you as HC just don't flush that down the toilet without some major compensation.
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Originally posted by Sickaa:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by eric_anthony:
Originally posted by genus49:
I have a bad feeling Kyle is just dead set to get rid of Trey and honestly that scares me.

It scares me because it's incredibly irrational and dangerous. Potentially because we lucked into Brock the move for Trey can be brushed aside and essentially called even. But how can our evaluation of Trey be so terrible to make such a big move and then not give him the tools to try to turn him into the best version of himself?

The kid is clearly putting in the work to improve but it's borderline malpractice to give Trey that few reps over a 55 game starter in Darnold and friggin Brandon Allen.

Because Kyle doesn't know how to develop a QB. It seemed like he was all in on developing one when he drafted Trey but he got impatient and wasn't willing to help him grow. It's definitely malpractice to give him so few reps when he knows he needs them.
Kyle has developed Brock really well.

Agree, add to that Nick Mullens, BeatHard is still in the NFL, so is Cousins.

Mullens and Beathard look just as bad as when we signed/drafted them, so I'm not sure he developed either of those tbh.

Well if they were so bad, they would be out of the NFL. Typical NFL career is just over three years.
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Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by Sickaa:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by eric_anthony:
Originally posted by genus49:
I have a bad feeling Kyle is just dead set to get rid of Trey and honestly that scares me.

It scares me because it's incredibly irrational and dangerous. Potentially because we lucked into Brock the move for Trey can be brushed aside and essentially called even. But how can our evaluation of Trey be so terrible to make such a big move and then not give him the tools to try to turn him into the best version of himself?

The kid is clearly putting in the work to improve but it's borderline malpractice to give Trey that few reps over a 55 game starter in Darnold and friggin Brandon Allen.

Because Kyle doesn't know how to develop a QB. It seemed like he was all in on developing one when he drafted Trey but he got impatient and wasn't willing to help him grow. It's definitely malpractice to give him so few reps when he knows he needs them.
Kyle has developed Brock really well.

Agree, add to that Nick Mullens, BeatHard is still in the NFL, so is Cousins.

Mullens and Beathard look just as bad as when we signed/drafted them, so I'm not sure he developed either of those tbh.

Well if they were so bad, they would be out of the NFL. Typical NFL career is just over three years.

They are bad, but teams would prefer to have a bad QB as their back up than none at all.
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by eric_anthony:
Originally posted by genus49:
I have a bad feeling Kyle is just dead set to get rid of Trey and honestly that scares me.

It scares me because it's incredibly irrational and dangerous. Potentially because we lucked into Brock the move for Trey can be brushed aside and essentially called even. But how can our evaluation of Trey be so terrible to make such a big move and then not give him the tools to try to turn him into the best version of himself?

The kid is clearly putting in the work to improve but it's borderline malpractice to give Trey that few reps over a 55 game starter in Darnold and friggin Brandon Allen.

Because Kyle doesn't know how to develop a QB. It seemed like he was all in on developing one when he drafted Trey but he got impatient and wasn't willing to help him grow. It's definitely malpractice to give him so few reps when he knows he needs them.
Kyle's job is to win games, not play the guy they drafted high when they have a guy playing so much better. The only thing that the team owes Trey is the money his contract stipulates they owe him. If Kyle thought Trey was the best answer to the QB question, he would be getting starting reps instead of splitting backup reps with a guy like Darnold.

Once again Kyle isn't infallible. He's been wrong before. I hope he's right this time and I hope Brock stays healthy the rest of his career here so we don't have to freak out about QB2/QB3 but that has not been the case so far. Hell all 3 QBs have injury concerns and I hope to hell Kyle adjusts his playcalling accordingly. I don't want him playcalling scared but we cannot have what happened last year happen again.

That also requires the QBs to be smart and protect themselves.

But my issue right now is at least how Kyle is presenting himself. Maybe i'm all tin foil hatted up but it almost seems like he's taking every opportunity to downplay what Trey has done. Whether it's going out on his own and getting with Jeff Christenson to work on his mechanics(they're clearly improved) or just bringing up the other QBs whenever he's asked about Trey.

Maybe it's simply Kyle's way of getting Trey to compete but it still feels like so far we're making a bit of a mess of the QB room because we're hell bent on getting all the QBs reps.

Not to mention the biggest unknown right now is whether Brock is the same guy we saw last year and is Trey the same guy the 49ers saw last year? I 100% get Brock having the leg up on Qb1 but he's coming off a major injury(clearly rusty) and Trey has clearly looked better than what we saw last year. We all know Trey needs all the reps he can get. Giving his reps away to Allen is just dumb no matter how you slice it.
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by eric_anthony:
Originally posted by genus49:
I have a bad feeling Kyle is just dead set to get rid of Trey and honestly that scares me.

It scares me because it's incredibly irrational and dangerous. Potentially because we lucked into Brock the move for Trey can be brushed aside and essentially called even. But how can our evaluation of Trey be so terrible to make such a big move and then not give him the tools to try to turn him into the best version of himself?

The kid is clearly putting in the work to improve but it's borderline malpractice to give Trey that few reps over a 55 game starter in Darnold and friggin Brandon Allen.

Because Kyle doesn't know how to develop a QB. It seemed like he was all in on developing one when he drafted Trey but he got impatient and wasn't willing to help him grow. It's definitely malpractice to give him so few reps when he knows he needs them.
Kyle has developed Brock really well.

Agree, add to that Nick Mullens, BeatHard is still in the NFL, so is Cousins.

How much development have those guys done with Kyle?

Cousins - 4 year college player, 3 year starter(Kirk's best play has been without Kyle btw)
Beathard - 4 year college player, 3 year starter
Mullens - 4 year college player, 4 year starter
Purdy - 4 year college player, 4 year starter

Now Kyle's scheme certainly is QB friendly but as far as actual development? There hasn't been a great track record of that.
Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree, I think Allen is here on the off chance Trey falls off a cliff. I think Trey, if he shows any progress, is going to make the team because he is still so raw. I think Trey is in no danger of being cut as long as he can move the chains in pre-season.

Kyle knows Trey won't have the reps needed to develop his full potential because of Brock. It's just unfortunate for Trey that he got injured and a totally unknown guy comes in and plays lights out in replacement. But I think Trey is in the same position as Steve young was behind Joe.

Trey just has to fight and compete and I think he'll make the team with no problems. His potential is still extremely high, and you as HC just don't flush that down the toilet without some major compensation.

The big difference here is that we carried Steve with an owner willing to spend more money than other owners in an era before the salary cap. You can't keep Trey on his 5th year option pay unless he's the starter, and you can't keep him on the team if he can start anywhere. If he can't beat out Brock quickly, meaning this year after which we need to decide on the 5th year, and he can't, his horizon with this team is near. To quote a dude from NY, is what it is.
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Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
First off I think I responded to the wrong post. I meant to reply to the one saying we shouldn't pick up the 5th option if he doesn't start.

Obsessed with discussing the 5th year of a guy that's just finished his 1st 2 years.

But why???

Even without a 5th year, he still spends potentially 2 more years here. Let it go. Doesn't matter right now.

How am I obsessed when I replied two one post. More like you're obsessed with responding to me in every thread. And feel like starting s**t just to do it.

As for the discussion, you might want to take it one year at a time. Because if he falls to QB3 this year its bye bye Lance.
Originally posted by Furlow:

I find this very weird . Not sure the thought process
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