Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
Why not let things play out first? His cap hit is just under $10 mil this year. Certainly not cheap, especially if he's the backup but considering Brock is making peanuts it's still chump change for the salary dedicated to the QB room. He's not hitting that $20 number until 2025.

Trading him now would be very dumb imo. Yes we need cap space to get Aiyuk signed and figure out how to keep the team together next season BUT you can always trade Trey during the offseason.

The fact that we have a smaller SB window due to cap space and some guys getting older at premier positions is why we shouldn't be trading players who can help us win football games. I understand that if Trey doesn't beat out Brock we'll all be hoping Brock plays every snap unless we're blowing teams out but there is a reason you pay for health insurance and you hope you never get sick so you have to use it. It's a way to protect yourself for bad situations.

To me the juice has to be worth the squeeze. Do we really see need the $3.7 mil trading him will give us in cap savings? Maybe but at the cost of having a weaker QB room during our SB push? Nope.

I'm beating a dead horse here but look at the non trade Eagles made for Russell Wilson(hell technically they agreed to it and Wilson vetoed it). They got "stuck" with Jalen Hurts and he responded with a monster season and a near MVP performance.

Even Shanahan has said he's unsure if he's making the right decision here. I pray we don't make a stupid decision to shave off a few million in cap space before really being able to find out who Lance is now. If anything I feel like his value would improve despite losing a season under his rookie contract. He's such an unknown right now we would get nothing of worth.

People thinking it's smart to trade him at his lowest for next to nothing to save nothing truly meaningful…don't care about the dynamics of the cap or whatever. It's more about their bias takes against Trey. The fact that they never wanted him and hated moving on from Jimmy. Some won't admit it, but it's true.

moving him now is in credibility stupid. Pretending Sam Darnold is some good QB on top of it is just another example of bias crap as well.

What happens if Brock turns into a pumpkin or gets hurt again? We got one of the worst starting QBs in league the past 5 yrs as the starter and no plan at the position beyond 2023? So then what? Sign Kirk for a billion dollars lol 🤢

fans are so short-sighted with all of it. Having him here doesn't hurt this team at all. He's got two yrs left on his contract and is incredibly young. If there's anyone that should want out it's him… Not the other way around.

The bold is the incredibly stupid part. Not just because he's proven he sucks, but because the people clamoring for him are doing so on potential, meanwhile ignoring Trey's potential as well. It's simply moronic.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
The bold is the incredibly stupid part. Not just because he's proven he sucks, but because the people clamoring for him are doing so on potential, meanwhile ignoring Trey's potential as well. It's simply moronic.

This reads as if you are calling Kyle Shanahan stupid.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
That would be a dumb decision. You don't compound a whiff on a high pick by firing the folks who have built a roster like the one this team has. Especially not if Purdy continues to play at the level he has so far.

Exactly. We're not only on track to dodge the worst consequences of the risk of that move, but we've also hopefully found our longterm guy in the process.

The guys who said Kyle and John have frostbite on their ass because their seats are so cold couldn't be more correct.

I get what you're saying and I've been saying it all along. You can't pay Lance $20 million if he's a back up, that's just not a smart business move, which the NFL also is.

Why not let things play out first? His cap hit is just under $10 mil this year. Certainly not cheap, especially if he's the backup but considering Brock is making peanuts it's still chump change for the salary dedicated to the QB room. He's not hitting that $20 number until 2025.

Trading him now would be very dumb imo. Yes we need cap space to get Aiyuk signed and figure out how to keep the team together next season BUT you can always trade Trey during the offseason.

The fact that we have a smaller SB window due to cap space and some guys getting older at premier positions is why we shouldn't be trading players who can help us win football games. I understand that if Trey doesn't beat out Brock we'll all be hoping Brock plays every snap unless we're blowing teams out but there is a reason you pay for health insurance and you hope you never get sick so you have to use it. It's a way to protect yourself for bad situations.

To me the juice has to be worth the squeeze. Do we really see need the $3.7 mil trading him will give us in cap savings? Maybe but at the cost of having a weaker QB room during our SB push? Nope.

I'm beating a dead horse here but look at the non trade Eagles made for Russell Wilson(hell technically they agreed to it and Wilson vetoed it). They got "stuck" with Jalen Hurts and he responded with a monster season and a near MVP performance.

Even Shanahan has said he's unsure if he's making the right decision here. I pray we don't make a stupid decision to shave off a few million in cap space before really being able to find out who Lance is now. If anything I feel like his value would improve despite losing a season under his rookie contract. He's such an unknown right now we would get nothing of worth.

First off I think I responded to the wrong post. I meant to reply to the one saying we shouldn't pick up the 5th option if he doesn't start.

Second, yes trade him if he's not starting. Why keep him on the bench for that much?? Brock playing the way he is should be taken advantage of with him being paid peanuts. 49ers could strengthen another position while they can, instead of sitting on dead weight.

You wanna wait and see how things play out. You hoping Purdy gets injured or something cause that's pretty much the only way Lance is playing..

So between broken ribs and a torn UCL in less than 10 games for Brock, there's a legit chance that Lance is going to get another shot at some point.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
So between broken ribs and a torn UCL in less than 10 games for Brock, there's a legit chance that Lance is going to get another shot at some point.

TDEYDY, he has recovered from those injuries

no restrictions

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
The bold is the incredibly stupid part. Not just because he's proven he sucks, but because the people clamoring for him are doing so on potential, meanwhile ignoring Trey's potential as well. It's simply moronic.

This reads as if you are calling Kyle Shanahan stupid.

Read it again. Pay attention to this part: "[M]eanwhile ignoring Trey's potential as well." Kyle has not done that part.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
So between broken ribs and a torn UCL in less than 10 games for Brock, there's a legit chance that Lance is going to get another shot at some point.

Trey's only shot is if Purdy gets hurt again or Trey looks like the Second Coming in camp and the pre-season. The first is more likely than the second.

^^ Of course not that I particularly care. I just want the best QB to play. If Trey becomes that, that's probably good because his physical ability if maximized would put him in that Mahomes, Allen, Herbert category. But Purdy can still be a Drew Brees level, Hall of Fame guy if things work out for his development.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
That would be a dumb decision. You don't compound a whiff on a high pick by firing the folks who have built a roster like the one this team has. Especially not if Purdy continues to play at the level he has so far.

Exactly. We're not only on track to dodge the worst consequences of the risk of that move, but we've also hopefully found our longterm guy in the process.

The guys who said Kyle and John have frostbite on their ass because their seats are so cold couldn't be more correct.

I get what you're saying and I've been saying it all along. You can't pay Lance $20 million if he's a back up, that's just not a smart business move, which the NFL also is.

Why not let things play out first? His cap hit is just under $10 mil this year. Certainly not cheap, especially if he's the backup but considering Brock is making peanuts it's still chump change for the salary dedicated to the QB room. He's not hitting that $20 number until 2025.

Trading him now would be very dumb imo. Yes we need cap space to get Aiyuk signed and figure out how to keep the team together next season BUT you can always trade Trey during the offseason.

The fact that we have a smaller SB window due to cap space and some guys getting older at premier positions is why we shouldn't be trading players who can help us win football games. I understand that if Trey doesn't beat out Brock we'll all be hoping Brock plays every snap unless we're blowing teams out but there is a reason you pay for health insurance and you hope you never get sick so you have to use it. It's a way to protect yourself for bad situations.

To me the juice has to be worth the squeeze. Do we really see need the $3.7 mil trading him will give us in cap savings? Maybe but at the cost of having a weaker QB room during our SB push? Nope.

I'm beating a dead horse here but look at the non trade Eagles made for Russell Wilson(hell technically they agreed to it and Wilson vetoed it). They got "stuck" with Jalen Hurts and he responded with a monster season and a near MVP performance.

Even Shanahan has said he's unsure if he's making the right decision here. I pray we don't make a stupid decision to shave off a few million in cap space before really being able to find out who Lance is now. If anything I feel like his value would improve despite losing a season under his rookie contract. He's such an unknown right now we would get nothing of worth.

First off I think I responded to the wrong post. I meant to reply to the one saying we shouldn't pick up the 5th option if he doesn't start.

Second, yes trade him if he's not starting. Why keep him on the bench for that much?? Brock playing the way he is should be taken advantage of with him being paid peanuts. 49ers could strengthen another position while they can, instead of sitting on dead weight.

You wanna wait and see how things play out. You hoping Purdy gets injured or something cause that's pretty much the only way Lance is playing..

I literally addressed this in my post. I understand it was long so maybe you skimmed it, but the reason you keep him on the bench for that much is because you haven't seen Brock play a full season either. Sam Darnold hasn't shown consistency or ability to even play a game manager role and has durability issues of his own.

This is our SB window. We don't know what will happen next year. Potentially handicapping our QB room to save a few million in cap space for a couple(if we're lucky) day 3 picks is simply a risk not worth taking.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
^^ Of course not that I particularly care. I just want the best QB to play. If Trey becomes that, that's probably good because his physical ability if maximized would put him in that Mahomes, Allen, Herbert category. But Purdy can still be a Drew Brees level, Hall of Fame guy if things work out for his development.

We are going to have to beat Mahomes one day to get where we want to be

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I think we can use that same train of thought about Brock as well. We got massively small sample sizes of both. IMO I think the best course of judgment is to let it all play out and see where it goes. Not make any conclusions one way or the other.

this time last yr Lance was the starter and just getting his career going. He played a little over 4QRs of football, then broke his ankle. No one has a clue how he would have played if he got a full season. Brock had a handful of damn good games, but that s**t can change rather quickly. It's the NFL and if there's any fan base that realizes how fluid the QB position is, it's the 49er fan base.

I'm with you. The simple fact is we are going to see this play out and I personally don't have any concrete conclusions about the guys beyond the baseline things I've argued all offseason which was:
- Brock is going to be the starter unless he isn't healthy or Trey/Veteran FA show they are better options in TC/Camp (which I think is highly unlikely).
- It was obvious that the 49ers were going to sign a veteran option to compete with Trey to be QB2 and perhaps QB1 in the short term if Brock wasn't ready to go. That's what Sam is.

I also have never expected a trade of Trey for various reasons, but I do think the 49ers did try to drum up interest and will continue to do so in the hopes that someone calls and makes an offer we can't refuse (which I didn't and don't think will happen).

As far as Trey staying here past his rookie deal, as I mentioned I think there is zero chance we pick up his option if he isn't starting. Is it possible we re-sign him or extend him at a much lower number if he isn't starting? Yes. I think it's highly unlikely though because a developmental guy who needs playing time to get better isn't an ideal backup option (that's why we signed someone to compete with him and be another option), but also because I would think Trey would want an actual opportunity to play that wouldn't come here if Brock continues on his trajectory.

I have predictions for what is going to actually happen, but if I could press a magic button all of our guys would look awesome including Trey.

I have a bad feeling Kyle is just dead set to get rid of Trey and honestly that scares me.

It scares me because it's incredibly irrational and dangerous. Potentially because we lucked into Brock the move for Trey can be brushed aside and essentially called even. But how can our evaluation of Trey be so terrible to make such a big move and then not give him the tools to try to turn him into the best version of himself?

The kid is clearly putting in the work to improve but it's borderline malpractice to give Trey that few reps over a 55 game starter in Darnold and friggin Brandon Allen.

Originally posted by genus49:
I have a bad feeling Kyle is just dead set to get rid of Trey and honestly that scares me.

It scares me because it's incredibly irrational and dangerous. Potentially because we lucked into Brock the move for Trey can be brushed aside and essentially called even. But how can our evaluation of Trey be so terrible to make such a big move and then not give him the tools to try to turn him into the best version of himself?

The kid is clearly putting in the work to improve but it's borderline malpractice to give Trey that few reps over a 55 game starter in Darnold and friggin Brandon Allen.

If Trey does not feel he is being given a fair shot here he can leave in 2 years and exact his revenge upon us. Right now we are supposed to be undergoing a QB competition so we shall see how it goes so we can get ready for week 1

Originally posted by genus49:
I have a bad feeling Kyle is just dead set to get rid of Trey and honestly that scares me.

It scares me because it's incredibly irrational and dangerous. Potentially because we lucked into Brock the move for Trey can be brushed aside and essentially called even. But how can our evaluation of Trey be so terrible to make such a big move and then not give him the tools to try to turn him into the best version of himself?

The kid is clearly putting in the work to improve but it's borderline malpractice to give Trey that few reps over a 55 game starter in Darnold and friggin Brandon Allen.

This fear, is irrational, as it basically assumes a couple things. One it assumes TL is a world beater, elite QB1 of the future. Two, it assumes KS doesn't know that or care, and wants to bury him on the chart, for no good reason, cuz he is mean I guess?

Both those things, ask yourself if they make sense? If #1 is true, why would KS do the 2nd part?

With the price he paid on TL, he wants to play TL, heck you pay that price, you want to start that guy year 1, day 1. Need compelling reasons, not to. I feel TL will be here, unless he falls to below Darnold or B Allen on the chart. I will ask you this, if in year 3 of the system, he is behind Darnold or B Allen, does he deserve to be on the team?

I see ppl wringing their hands over the TL is a stud and KS doesn't know it, scenario, and that scenario paints KS as a fool, which he isn't.. and paints him as someone who doesn't want to play his guy he spent 3 ones on, which makes zero sense. Bottom line, in the NFL, you need to be able to play. There is no real developmental league, like MLB has with the minors. You gotta be able to help the team win today, not in 5 years, potentially.

Originally posted by genus49:
I have a bad feeling Kyle is just dead set to get rid of Trey and honestly that scares me.

It scares me because it's incredibly irrational and dangerous. Potentially because we lucked into Brock the move for Trey can be brushed aside and essentially called even. But how can our evaluation of Trey be so terrible to make such a big move and then not give him the tools to try to turn him into the best version of himself?

The kid is clearly putting in the work to improve but it's borderline malpractice to give Trey that few reps over a 55 game starter in Darnold and friggin Brandon Allen.

Because as been said a bazillion times. They didn't make the move for Trey. They made the move for the position. They then decided on Trey. They did that by "believing in what they didn't see and what they believe they would see"

Turning Trey into the best version of himself IMO wouldn't be turning Kyle's offense into the best version of itself. I truly believe they fell in love with Trey the person and not Trey the QB. Which I agree, Trey the person would be leader in the clubhouse as QB1. unfortunately for him, that's not how the games get won.