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Originally posted by krizay:
Lol. Good luck. This been his shtick for a while. Then gets in uproar when you assume he's discussing race. You would think one would change what/how he's delivering it if MULTIPLE people is assuming the same thing.
But that says more about him than anything
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by tankle104:
My issue with things on here is some people blame everyone but Lance. I'm not saying everyone played great around him, but he still gets blame.
like the Bears game - Lance didn't play well AT ALL. Neither did a lot of other guys, like deebos fumble.
for example, the big missed TD early in the game to the back up TE and over threw him, it wasn't a good throw. The TE didn't stretch out for it, so we can blame him for it - but that's a tough ask on that field in that weather.
the weather wasn't good, but it didn't start pouring until like 8 minutes left in the fourth. It rained throughout the game but not poured. So when we get a guy with a cannon and great running ability, he should be able to help overcome that - he didn't do that at all. He should of been able to run around like fields did, which is really why we lost - fields used to legs to make plays.
i understand Lance wasn't the ONLY player to not play well, but Lance wasn't doing things to help them. He didn't play well either.
he wasn't being like Mahomes was in that super bowl where he was making awesome plays but his teammates let him down.
He didn't play well most of the Texans game, but got it together through the second half. In that game, the team carried him and gave him a shot (defense & special teams) - which is fine, very Jimmy-esqe at times.
the Arizona game - he didn't play well at all. The defense kept us in it and he couldn't get it together. He didn't play well. Idk how people thinks he played well overall. It's not even a big deal, I just push back on here when people act like nothings is lances fault.
he's young, very raw, very inexperienced - idk why anyone thought he would play well for the first couple years. Hence why I say all the time, I never understood why this team drafted him with where we were as an organization. Which is why I always say don't let Kyle in the war room. Lol
All of this. Kyle is not a good talent evaluator in terms of translating to the NFL. When he's smiling in the war room and excited about a pick, I know we're about to overdraft the hell out of someone lol.
Originally posted by tankle104:
Lance, right now!, would be inexperienced as a senior at a powerhouse football program. RIGHT NOW. Lol three years into his NFL career - and Kyle thought he could come in and get the same, potentially better, play than he could from Jimmy? A vet who's played in a super bowl? Trained under belichick & Brady for years etc
Lance belongs in the league, I always say that, I just didn't get the selection (especially the trade up) for him. Not where we were as an organization competing wise.
when he was drafted, my guess was that we wouldn't get quality play out of him for the first 2-3 years and honestly, I was hoping to be proven wrong - it really sucks that he didn't even get a chance cause of injuries.
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Lol so weak, you're still avoiding answering. You made it VERY clear that there was un UNDERLYING "narrative" OTHER THAN the play of the QB's. Now you're saying it's only because Purdy is better that I'm not still backing Jimmy? Well, DUH. Jimmy was playing well and helping us win games in my opinion. Got us to two NFCCG's and a Super Bowl. No other Niners QB (including Trey) did anything close to that. Then Purdy got us to the NFCCG. I like QB's who play well and do well. Again, DUH.
Regarding Darnold vs Trey, I think Darnold fits Kyle's offense better. Purdy showed us all that Trey does not. I blamed Kyle for Trey's injuries, well Purdy showed me that Kyle was just calling what he felt Trey could handle. Same as Purdy showed me that Kyle didn't trust Jimmy to throw in certain situations and Jimmy wasn't willing to be aggressive when the situation called for it.
So again, if not racism, what NARRATIVE are you referring to that some of us view Trey as the odd man out?
Lol. Good luck. This been his shtick for a while. Then gets in uproar when you assume he's discussing race. You would think one would change what/how he's delivering it if MULTIPLE people is assuming the same thing.
But that says more about him than anything
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Because the excuse makers wanna excuse giving 137 million for slightly above average play as some great move while simultaneously hating the move for Trey. They even have a higher expectation for a rook who was traded up for then they do for a guy getting franchise qb money.
Giving Jimmy all that money was a mistake. There is no question. It appears trading up for Trey will end up a mistake. I can admit both were mistakes if thats how it ends up. Others will NEVER admit the former.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Lance, right now!, would be inexperienced as a senior at a powerhouse football program. RIGHT NOW. Lol three years into his NFL career - and Kyle thought he could come in and get the same, potentially better, play than he could from Jimmy? A vet who's played in a super bowl? Trained under belichick & Brady for years etc
Lance belongs in the league, I always say that, I just didn't get the selection (especially the trade up) for him. Not where we were as an organization competing wise.
when he was drafted, my guess was that we wouldn't get quality play out of him for the first 2-3 years and honestly, I was hoping to be proven wrong - it really sucks that he didn't even get a chance cause of injuries.
Well he has a chance now, but as I mentioned earlier I don't see how he makes significant improvement without real playing time. And he won't get that without significant improvement, or injury ahead of him.
It's been bad for all involved, most especially Trey. We at least had and have some outs. Trey's career is getting wasted.
Originally posted by tankle104:
That's what Lance needs, playing time, I agree.
he needs to be in those tough adverse situations and figure them out (good or bad), learn how to be the leader of men (which I think he can be), and just get that experience of seeing defenses/situations/feeling the offense and his guys.
i do feel bad for him. I'm not one of those guys that says "oh well he's a millionaire". The stuff I say in here, is mainly directed at the way people throw points around - and I'm sure I've done it too. I'm not innocent.
i genuinely don't like seeing anyone fail, especially a Niner.
treys career isn't wasted though, IMO. He's learning how to be a leader right now through these tough situations. How to handle himself, he's finally healthy and getting his prep down. There are positives to be taken. He's also very young still.
we will see how it plays out, but even if it's not here - I do believe he will have a good career in the NFL.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by tankle104:
That's what Lance needs, playing time, I agree.
he needs to be in those tough adverse situations and figure them out (good or bad), learn how to be the leader of men (which I think he can be), and just get that experience of seeing defenses/situations/feeling the offense and his guys.
i do feel bad for him. I'm not one of those guys that says "oh well he's a millionaire". The stuff I say in here, is mainly directed at the way people throw points around - and I'm sure I've done it too. I'm not innocent.
i genuinely don't like seeing anyone fail, especially a Niner.
treys career isn't wasted though, IMO. He's learning how to be a leader right now through these tough situations. How to handle himself, he's finally healthy and getting his prep down. There are positives to be taken. He's also very young still.
we will see how it plays out, but even if it's not here - I do believe he will have a good career in the NFL.
His career is currently being wasted. And I wonder how real of an opportunity he'll get with another team if he can't break through here. I'd bet its much more thin than people realize.
If he doesn't get traded before the end of his rookie deal, or even if he sits here for just one more season, he'll be half a decade removed from playing football with one year of experience at the FCS level. I don't think teams will be lining up to give him the slack that he needs when they can find other young players to give that opportunity. It's not like he's going to sign a high dollar FA deal that obligates a team to play him. His career is in real trouble IMO.
Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah, you have a point. I think it depends a lot on how much they give up for him. That's kinda why I want the falcons to get him, IF we trade him. Not saying I want him traded, but I know they liked him a lot before the draft (2021). They don't really have anyone in the wings. So I'd hope a team would trade for him and be like "he has 2 years min to prove himself".
i think Lance has the intellect, physical skill set, and work habit - to win over a coaching staffs confidence to be patient with him if he's showing progress. I think the bumps he has had here, has really taught him what he needs to do to improve in healthy or not.
i get what you're saying though. It's almost like the darnold situation, young and super talented but was wasted by other teams (but he also played bad). So now he's signing a one year deal.
idk.. my hope would be that a team would realize it was a lot of injuries. But I also think if he has another big injury, he's in trouble.
i also think he could pull a … forgetting the QBs name in seattle rn. Hahaha go somewhere and be a backup. Get his chance a little later and burst. Who knows
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:I didn't mean like straight up to darnold. Lol just that the talent wasn't Developed properly and even though he's still young, he's signing cheap free agent deals. It's different but I'm essentially just saying young talent being wasted by a franchise, playing or not. I'd prefer to have one that doesn't have the bad habits though (darnold) if I'm developing one.
Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah, you have a point. I think it depends a lot on how much they give up for him. That's kinda why I want the falcons to get him, IF we trade him. Not saying I want him traded, but I know they liked him a lot before the draft (2021). They don't really have anyone in the wings. So I'd hope a team would trade for him and be like "he has 2 years min to prove himself".
i think Lance has the intellect, physical skill set, and work habit - to win over a coaching staffs confidence to be patient with him if he's showing progress. I think the bumps he has had here, has really taught him what he needs to do to improve in healthy or not.
i get what you're saying though. It's almost like the darnold situation, young and super talented but was wasted by other teams (but he also played bad). So now he's signing a one year deal.
idk.. my hope would be that a team would realize it was a lot of injuries. But I also think if he has another big injury, he's in trouble.
i also think he could pull a … forgetting the QBs name in seattle rn. Hahaha go somewhere and be a backup. Get his chance a little later and burst. Who knows
Those things are all possibilities. He could be the next Geno. I'll have to see it to believe it though because again, I don't think he makes the necessary leaps without getting out there and playing first. I also can't compare him to Darnold. Darnold may have been in bad environments, but he got every opportunity to go out there and actually play.
As for the Atlanta trade rumor, I'm going to have to see more before I come close to buying it as real. It was reported by a dude who I don't think is credible, I don't believe Atlanta had real interest in Lance when he was drafted (though I'm not sure), and I don't understand why they wouldn't prefer to get an expanded look at Ridder first. He probably played better than Lance in his first appearances and he's their own guy who's been there for a year now. Go take the temperature of Falcons fans in social media. Not exactly thrilled with the idea of trading for Lance, and I can easily understand that. In any case, if the trade was made, Lance is probably in another competition with a more experienced player both in playing time and in the system they're competing in.
Originally posted by tankle104:
I didn't mean like straight up to darnold. Lol just that the talent wasn't Developed properly and even though he's still young, he's signing cheap free agent deals. It's different but I'm essentially just saying young talent being wasted by a franchise, playing or not. I'd prefer to have one that doesn't have the bad habits though (darnold) if I'm developing one.
idk if the Atlanta rumor is true either, I said Atlanta would be a good spot for him early on when everyone was saying he may be traded this off season.
maybe it's just cause I don't think highly of ridder as a QB. Hahaha idk if they even have the same head coach as they did back in 2021. Interesting those fans aren't happy with the idea of that trade.
hmm maybe his situation is more dire than I expected. You may be right about his starting opportunities drying up. Well if they do (in this scenario), he could get on somewhere as a backup and hopefully play because the guy sucks infront of him. It's tough. It's crazy how fast things can change in this league
Originally posted by tankle104:
Damn, I didn't realize that NDSU was on a 39 game win streak from 2017-2020. Wild. Lol so they were on a 23 game win streak when Lance became starter, still impressive to go 16-0 though.
Originally posted by thl408:
Brock would have to fall flat on his face during camp for Trey to overtake him this offseason, provided both are healthy. The game film that Brock put down in 2022 is more than anything Lance can do during training camp or preseason. The team should be very patient with Brock - he's a young buck and has lots of time. Absolutely no need to rush him back.