Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Furlow:
Posters were openly rooting against Jimmy. They literally said those words lol stop it. "I want the Niners to win, but I also want Jimmy to suck so that we move on from him."

Also:

I don't have the time nor the inclination to go further back, but there are plenty of posts like this. They may not like Trey more than the Niners, but some people prioritize being "right," over their fandom of the team. And their posts reflect that, so it's natural that people view them as being more of a fan of Trey than the Niners. Let's not act like this is some crazy thought.

I remember that.

Some were gleeful when we lost to the Rams because they thought it was the end of that QB. Only for 2022 to happen. Oops…

also, there was a poster openly hoping for Purdy to be injured until week 8 to give Lance a shot. If that ain't putting Lance above the rest of the team then I don't know what is.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
SteveWallacesHelmet.. this post isn't directed at you! Just piggybacking off your post!
I totally agree with you that Lance should NOT be judged off his 4 games on what he can become. It's irrational and stupid.
No one has a clue and to claim otherwise, is laughable.

I am also sick of jimmy being brought up as a comparison to Lance, or to degrade Jimmy, or degrade Lance, & to try compare the teams they had or players they had.
Jimmy came in and helped the team win 5 games in a row (with players that were not that good/great) to close out the season where we couldn't win a game. He played pretty good, wasn't a rookie, came from the Pats, was a master at converting 3rd downs, etc and I'm not speaking for others, but I feel that is why he was given "extra" time to see if he could get better.

To some, Lance hasn't played even "good" in the opportunities he's had, and there really isn't much more to say about Lance..

Now could Lance develop, yes.

I hope and want to see Purdy start this year because I feel he shined in the games he played.

However, I think it would be irresponsible of the front office to trade Lance this year.

We need to see how Purdy does & we may need 3-4 Qb's again this year.. I hope not but it's been our MO for years now..

Good post. This is exactly how I feel about the situation.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by NDSU:
I really hope Lance goes to ATL.
It will be hilarious if Brock turns out to be like Foles who caught lightning in a bottle for a short time, then reverted back to mediocre.
If Lance kills it in Atlanta this thread will become historically funny.

Sadly it's only a matter of time until "The Faithful" turn on Brock.

Sadly some seem to be more fans of a player than the team...

Why is giving a player a chance to prove what he can do on the field being more a fan of him than the team? Especially one the team spent so much capital on? Isn't it more detrimental to that team to simply discard the player and forget about all that capital?

There isn't a single poster on this board who is more of a fan of Trey Lance than the 49ers. Just a ridiculous claim.

1000% sure. Its a baseless claim. Similar to ones used where people claim there is a faction of Niner fans rooting against _____(insert 49ers player here)____.

Posters were openly rooting against Jimmy. They literally said those words lol stop it. "I want the Niners to win, but I also want Jimmy to suck so that we move on from him."

Also:

Originally posted by NDSU:
I really hope Lance goes to ATL.
It will be hilarious if Brock turns out to be like Foles who caught lightning in a bottle for a short time, then reverted back to mediocre.
If Lance kills it in Atlanta this thread will become historically funny.

I don't have the time nor the inclination to go further back, but there are plenty of posts like this. They may not like Trey more than the Niners, but some people prioritize being "right," over their fandom of the team. And their posts reflect that, so it's natural that people view them as being more of a fan of Trey than the Niners. Let's not act like this is some crazy thought.

OK then. If they "may not like Trey more than the 49ers" then the claim that "Sadly some seem to be more fans of a player than the team" is wrong....and you just admitted it to be wrong.

My point is their posts appear as if they are bigger fans of Trey than the Niners. Why is it upon the rest of us to parse through their BS and assume their intent? They absolutely could be bigger fans of Trey than the Niners, you don't know that they aren't. You're assuming.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Bingo!

many believed that he could step right in and at the very least provide what Jimmy did (to your point downplaying what he actually brought) while developing into an elite QB like Josh Allen/Mahomes.

From the few games we've seen, other than a 1.5qtrs, we know that's not been the case. Offense has looked discombobulated, to put it nicely.

Now, Brock on the other hand, WAS able to provide what Jimmy did right off the bat, and more, while developing into the elite/FQB we've been so searching for.

Many believed this because our team was good enough where we didn't need a QB to play like Mahomes/Josh Allen right away.

The problem is due to unforeseen or uncontrollable circumstances Trey did not get to play with the team at its best. The one game we saw him start in that wasn't marred by injuries to key players or had terrible field conditions was the game that people like to dismiss because it was the Texans.

Brock came in and showed a grasp of the offense and made things look easy but he also had a lot more experience to build on and got to come in when the roster was in the midst of an impressive win streak and added a mega piece in CMC as the final infinity stone to the offensive gauntlet.

Sure we can say that Trey never looked as comfortable as Brock but we also don't have a picture of Brock in a game without CMC and Kittle to know if he'd still look great or not.

Personally I want to make sure the team does everything it can to ensure that whomever they go with IS the best guy for this team. Short term and long term. That evaluation is critical by comparing the two QBs on the same field, with the same players in the same plays.

I hope Brock is 100% healthy as soon as possible so we can have that evaluation. I'm rooting for both guys but I absolutely want to see both of them again in similar circumstances.

Great post. As much as I believe a lot of this post to be common sense, we have a large portion of posters on this board who needs to read this.

I'm sure Kyle will take all these excuses….err I mean common sense into account and make Lance QB1 for the season. If anyone knows that Lance issues are due to the team sucking around him, and not Lance himself, it's Kyle.

Kyle made Lance QB1 last seaosn, so this sarcastic and emotionally driven post isnt really making the point you think it is. Also, no one every said the team sucked around him, but you know that.

"Sarcastic and emotionally driven post" that's rich coming from you.

So I'm sure he'll make him starter again. What has changed regarding the way kyle views his Lance? broken ankle and plenty of time to rehab shouldn't change much for a QB.

Yes, the offense and defense have been blamed for failing him.

What's changed is Brock Purdy.

My posts aren't emotionally driven. Give me a break.

But, wouldn't Kyle see that Purdy is a noodle arm QB that benefited from a hot team and weapons like CMC and Kittle? Wouldn't he see that Lance is the QB with elite traits that was held back by inferior weapons to that of Purdy and failing defense? Hmm…

Are you done?

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Well again, I was being very generic for simplicity sake and I'm not trying to strawman you.

Trey sucks *currently*… is that more accurate? Because other than the word "sucks" which I'm not claiming you said verbatim, or that you think Trey can't develop into a good player down the line, just that you claimed the team was "hedging their bets" after seeing Trey in camp, in which your presume the performance by Trey was poor, correct?

This is what my point is…

No one actually knows what was said in that meeting or why it took place, no one knows why we actually signed Sam, or what happened during the draft process where the media assumed we wanted Mac Jones. Everyone on this site just has their own blind opinion.

I just want to create a hard line between what's factual, testable, confirmable, vs what's just an opinion. I'm tired of the constant bickering in this thread.. which is why I haven't posted much recently.

But I would love it if we can keep the opinions as opinions, facts as facts, and tribalism at a minimum.

I think there's still a ton of dishonesty in here. And I wish people could acknowledge that there's been excuses made for all QBs, bad takes made against all QBs, and the common denominator is they're 49ers QBs. That's it.

Do you really think we can't decipher why the team signed Sam Darnold at this point? Or at least have a very good inclination for why we did?

To me, this kind of statement (nobody knows why we signed Sam Darnold) is a way for people to dodge uncomfortable or disagreeable realities instead of offering a reasonable and emotion free argument based on available information. Saying we signed Sam Darnold to compete for the QB2 job with Trey Lance is far from a blind opinion at this point. It's an opinion supported in evidence and has effectively been confirmed by both the statements and actions of our team.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Propping up Lance? All anyone is asking is to:

-give the kid a fair shake
-to offer him the same benefit of the doubt after 4 starts that posters like you give Jimmy after 8 years (5 in this system).
-to not make definitive claims one way or the other as to what he is or will be
-to not repeatedly exaggerate what the people who want Trey to be given a chance are actually saying (i.e "acting like Deebo, Juice, and Aiyuk, and Kyle are just chopped liver")

No one knows what Lance is or will be. I dont think what I just said is asking too much.

- I haven't called him a bust
- Jimmy balled out right off the bat, just like Purdy, and in his first full season helped the niners go to a SB. So, it was easy to give him benefit of the doubt thereafter, unless you disliked him just because. When Lance starts to show me some good play like Jimmy and Purdy has, then I'll give him more benefit of the doubt. I don't see why that's difficult to grasp.
- again, I have never made definitive claims. Never said he's a bust or can't get better.
- I'm not exaggerating anything. These are arguments some have made. How else is anyone suppose to take them other posters trying to minimize the team in order to prop up Lance

lance could get better or he may not. We don't know. All I've ever said is that his overall play has not been good, thus far.


we also know that Kyle has way more info from Lance than 4 games. So he'll have a better idea of what Lance might or might not be.

You may or may not have used the term bust. But you have been very negative with your posts about him, not only currently but moving forward. I didn dislike Jimmy from the start. Like most, I was really excited about him. Then he got hurt the next year. Then was disappointing the following year and I soured on him....which is fair. I disagree with you on who should get more of the benefit of the doubt/excuses. I would always give the young guy who is learning the game more of a chance than the vet who was in the system for 5 years.

As far as you not exaggerating anything, I literally put an example in the post you are replying to of an extreme exaggeration that you just made, so forgive me if I am dismissing the idea that you dont exaggerate.

Thanks for agreeing that no one knows much about Lance. Kyle knows most, but what he knows he doesnt say. So I am glad we are on the same page that people who claim they know anything about what Lance is or can be is full of s**t.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Posters were openly rooting against Jimmy. They literally said those words lol stop it. "I want the Niners to win, but I also want Jimmy to suck so that we move on from him."

Also:

I don't have the time nor the inclination to go further back, but there are plenty of posts like this. They may not like Trey more than the Niners, but some people prioritize being "right," over their fandom of the team. And their posts reflect that, so it's natural that people view them as being more of a fan of Trey than the Niners. Let's not act like this is some crazy thought.

I remember that.

Some were gleeful when we lost to the Rams because they thought it was the end of that QB. Only for 2022 to happen. Oops…

also, there was a poster openly hoping for Purdy to be still injured until after week 8 to see give Lance a shot. If that ain't putting Lance above the rest of the team then I don't know what is.

Ppl can be purdy dumb.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Posters were openly rooting against Jimmy. They literally said those words lol stop it. "I want the Niners to win, but I also want Jimmy to suck so that we move on from him."

Also:

I don't have the time nor the inclination to go further back, but there are plenty of posts like this. They may not like Trey more than the Niners, but some people prioritize being "right," over their fandom of the team. And their posts reflect that, so it's natural that people view them as being more of a fan of Trey than the Niners. Let's not act like this is some crazy thought.

I remember that.

Some were gleeful when we lost to the Rams because they thought it was the end of that QB. Only for 2022 to happen. Oops…

also, there was a poster openly hoping for Purdy to be still injured until after week 8 to see give Lance a shot. If that ain't putting Lance above the rest of the team then I don't know what is.

Oh that's right! Damn who the heck was that. Good one. I'm sure plenty more examples.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Well again, I was being very generic for simplicity sake and I'm not trying to strawman you.

Trey sucks *currently*… is that more accurate? Because other than the word "sucks" which I'm not claiming you said verbatim, or that you think Trey can't develop into a good player down the line, just that you claimed the team was "hedging their bets" after seeing Trey in camp, in which your presume the performance by Trey was poor, correct?

This is what my point is…

No one actually knows what was said in that meeting or why it took place, no one knows why we actually signed Sam, or what happened during the draft process where the media assumed we wanted Mac Jones. Everyone on this site just has their own blind opinion.

I just want to create a hard line between what's factual, testable, confirmable, vs what's just an opinion. I'm tired of the constant bickering in this thread.. which is why I haven't posted much recently.

But I would love it if we can keep the opinions as opinions, facts as facts, and tribalism at a minimum.

I think there's still a ton of dishonesty in here. And I wish people could acknowledge that there's been excuses made for all QBs, bad takes made against all QBs, and the common denominator is they're 49ers QBs. That's it.

Do you really think we can't decipher why the team signed Sam Darnold at this point? Or at least have a very good inclination for why we did?

To me, this kind of statement (nobody knows why we signed Sam Darnold) is a way for people to dodge uncomfortable or disagreeable realities instead of offering a reasonable and emotion free argument based on available information. Saying we signed Sam Darnold to compete for the QB2 job with Trey Lance is far from a blind opinion at this point. It's an opinion supported in evidence and has effectively been confirmed by both the statements and actions of our team.

When we signed him we had Brock Purdy recovering from a major arm injury, and Trey recovering from a major leg injury. It is just as logical (if not much more) to argue that we signed him because of HUGE question marks with Purdy and Trey's injury status + insurance policies than to just say "kyle wasnt happy with Trey, so we signed him."

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
It's more of a matter of who they think is the best option long term. Some think Trey has tremendous potential, so if he develops, we would be unstoppable - they usually have the same belief that Brock won't get much better, mostly decline.

which I disagree with those perspectives, I think Brock is the best option long term for many reasons. It's all in the best interest in the team and what I think will bring us more success. Not who I'd like to see succeed more, individually.

I agree with you, I'm just saying everyone involved is actually pulling for what they think is best for the team.

There's a lot of angles at play here. How people view ceilings and floors of quarterbacks, to how much people believe an elite QB is needed to win a Super Bowl, and more.

I don't believe a QB needs to be big, have a strong arm, and have plus mobility to be an elite QB in the NFL. I also don't think an elite QB is necessary to win the Super Bowl. It's easy for me to disagree with people who feel otherwise, but I'm not questioning their loyalty simply because I see things differently.

I mainly agree, I do believe that you need an high end qb to compete year in and year out.

but that needs to be clarified - High end QB is top 10 to me
elite is typically that top 5-6 QBs in the league.

I think you need a top 10 to win one overall, or at least be in the running every once in a while. I think you need an elite qb to actually compete over a longer stretch of time.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Posters were openly rooting against Jimmy. They literally said those words lol stop it. "I want the Niners to win, but I also want Jimmy to suck so that we move on from him."

Also:

I don't have the time nor the inclination to go further back, but there are plenty of posts like this. They may not like Trey more than the Niners, but some people prioritize being "right," over their fandom of the team. And their posts reflect that, so it's natural that people view them as being more of a fan of Trey than the Niners. Let's not act like this is some crazy thought.

I remember that.

Some were gleeful when we lost to the Rams because they thought it was the end of that QB. Only for 2022 to happen. Oops…

also, there was a poster openly hoping for Purdy to be still injured until after week 8 to see give Lance a shot. If that ain't putting Lance above the rest of the team then I don't know what is.

Oh that's right! Damn who the heck was that. Good one. I'm sure plenty more examples.

And what if that person genuinely believes Lance could be better than Purdy? Thats putting the player over the team too? The only player in sports history I have ever seen have people being more of a fan of the player than the team is Lebron James. We are all Niner fans. Not everyone is going to agree what the best way to make our favorite team a consistent winner is.

Personally, I just want a franchise QB that our whole fanbase (ok, the majority of our fanbase) can be all in on. We havent had that since Steve Young. I dont really care if its Purdy, Trey or someone else. I dont know any of these guys personally, so as long as our QB is good, thats fine by me.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Well again, I was being very generic for simplicity sake and I'm not trying to strawman you.

Trey sucks *currently*… is that more accurate? Because other than the word "sucks" which I'm not claiming you said verbatim, or that you think Trey can't develop into a good player down the line, just that you claimed the team was "hedging their bets" after seeing Trey in camp, in which your presume the performance by Trey was poor, correct?

This is what my point is…

No one actually knows what was said in that meeting or why it took place, no one knows why we actually signed Sam, or what happened during the draft process where the media assumed we wanted Mac Jones. Everyone on this site just has their own blind opinion.

I just want to create a hard line between what's factual, testable, confirmable, vs what's just an opinion. I'm tired of the constant bickering in this thread.. which is why I haven't posted much recently.

But I would love it if we can keep the opinions as opinions, facts as facts, and tribalism at a minimum.

I think there's still a ton of dishonesty in here. And I wish people could acknowledge that there's been excuses made for all QBs, bad takes made against all QBs, and the common denominator is they're 49ers QBs. That's it.

Do you really think we can't decipher why the team signed Sam Darnold at this point? Or at least have a very good inclination for why we did?

To me, this kind of statement (nobody knows why we signed Sam Darnold) is a way for people to dodge uncomfortable or disagreeable realities instead of offering a reasonable and emotion free argument based on available information. Saying we signed Sam Darnold to compete for the QB2 job with Trey Lance is far from a blind opinion at this point. It's an opinion supported in evidence and has effectively been confirmed by both the statements and actions of our team.

When we signed him we had Brock Purdy recovering from a major arm injury, and Trey recovering from a major leg injury. It is just as logical (if not much more) to argue that we signed him because of HUGE question marks with Purdy and Trey's injury status + insurance policies than to just say "kyle wasnt happy with Trey, so we signed him."

To me, it wasn't we necessarily signed a QB. It was the value of the contract (same as lances, with playing time) but more importantly, splitting reps. That's the part that is the most telling to me, you don't take reps from Lance if you're sold/confident in him.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
When we signed him we had Brock Purdy recovering from a major arm injury, and Trey recovering from a major leg injury. It is just as logical (if not much more) to argue that we signed him because of HUGE question marks with Purdy and Trey's injury status + insurance policies than to just say "kyle wasnt happy with Trey, so we signed him."

My guy, when a QB is signed to insure against injury of a higher ranking player they don't split reps with that player when they're healthy in camp. Not to mention the fact that Trey's medical prognosis was well known and not a secret going forward.

This explanation (that we were worried about injury of both Purdy and Lance) does not account for a key action the team is taking. That should tell you something, in addition to the other available evidence.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Posters were openly rooting against Jimmy. They literally said those words lol stop it. "I want the Niners to win, but I also want Jimmy to suck so that we move on from him."

Also:

I don't have the time nor the inclination to go further back, but there are plenty of posts like this. They may not like Trey more than the Niners, but some people prioritize being "right," over their fandom of the team. And their posts reflect that, so it's natural that people view them as being more of a fan of Trey than the Niners. Let's not act like this is some crazy thought.

I remember that.

Some were gleeful when we lost to the Rams because they thought it was the end of that QB. Only for 2022 to happen. Oops…

also, there was a poster openly hoping for Purdy to be still injured until after week 8 to see give Lance a shot. If that ain't putting Lance above the rest of the team then I don't know what is.

Oh that's right! Damn who the heck was that. Good one. I'm sure plenty more examples.

And what if that person genuinely believes Lance could be better than Purdy? Thats putting the player over the team too? The only player in sports history I have ever seen have people being more of a fan of the player than the team is Lebron James. We are all Niner fans. Not everyone is going to agree what the best way to make our favorite team a consistent winner is.

Personally, I just want a franchise QB that our whole fanbase (ok, the majority of our fanbase) can be all in on. We havent had that since Steve Young. I dont really care if its Purdy, Trey or someone else. I dont know any of these guys personally, so as long as our QB is good, thats fine by me.

Dude there were literally people who left this forum to be Chiefs fans when Alex Smith left. ALEX SMITH. Who I like a lot by the way, but would never put before the Niners. Fans are emotional and get connected to certain players for whatever reason. Not every fan connects the same way to their teams. Weird hill to die on, bro.

Originally posted by tankle104:
To me, it wasn't we necessarily signed a QB. It was the value of the contract (same as lances, with playing time) but more importantly, splitting reps. That's the part that is the most telling to me, you don't take reps from Lance if you're sold/confident in him.

Or how about the fact that he signed here period. Is it reasonable to think a fringe starter/quality backup willingly signed on Day 1 of free agency to be a QB3 with an opportunity to play only if two players ahead of him can't physically go?

That's why his contract was incentivized the way it was. The guy had a f**king choice too, lol.