Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Maybe if Brock Purdy had a little more experience he would've gotten rid of the ball faster or changed things up pre-snap. I do think things might've been different if Kittle was blocking Reddick.

He stood there like a sitting duck and got absolutely blasted. There were a variety of things he could have done if he had seen/felt that rusher, but it is what it is.

That was an aggressive play call. Shows the trust Kyle had in Purdy. Should be a positive going forward provided Brock stays on the same trajectory.

Totally agree with you on everything!!!! And like you said about Purdy's injury in the post above…it was just bad luck.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I would love to know what Trey Lance's perceived value is among actual football people in front offices. I know in this thread the loud posters believe that he has no value. But I have to assume that most people who get paid to do this for a living have a fundamental understanding that its stupid to place judgment on a young QB after 4 games.

I'd be willing to bet his value is substantially higher among NFL front offices than it seems to be in this thread. What that value is, I dont know.

Your premise for why some think his trade value might be lower than expected is flawed. It's not simply about passing judgement on Trey Lance after 4 regular season starts, and people who are paid to do this for a living certainly understand this.

My opinion is that the vast majority of people here probably estimate his trade value higher than it actually is… and I think I was one of them, at least prior to the past draft.

Your opinion is flawed just the same since we have no idea what Trey's actual trade value is ATM.

people could just say what they would trade for Trey if they were another team. The most I'd give is a conditional 2nd and that would only be if my starting QB was gonna be Sam Howell.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
people could just say what they would trade for Trey if they were another team. The most I'd give is a conditional 2nd and that would only be if my starting QB was gonna be Sam Howell.

Prior to the draft I thought it was possible another team could offer a 2nd. I think that was *probably* too generous in hindsight.

I wondered if we would ship him out for a 2nd if offered, along with that. Most people around here seem to think we wouldn't/shouldn't budge unless a 1st was involved… which seems insanely unrealistic to me.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
people could just say what they would trade for Trey if they were another team. The most I'd give is a conditional 2nd and that would only be if my starting QB was gonna be Sam Howell.

Prior to the draft I thought it was possible another team could offer a 2nd. I think that was *probably* too generous in hindsight.

I wondered if we would ship him out for a 2nd if offered, along with that. Most people around here seem to think we wouldn't/shouldn't budge unless a 1st was involved… which seems insanely unrealistic to me.

I don't know we have seen the likes of Carson Wentz get traded for a bunch. But I do agree a 1st is a bit much for a kid who hasn't played much football, can't stay healthy and has the worst hair line I've ever seen.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I don't know we have seen the likes of Carson Wentz get traded for a bunch. But I do agree a 1st is a bit much for a kid who hasn't played much football, can't stay healthy and has the worst hair line I've ever seen.

Carson Wentz was (most recently) traded for a 3rd, a conditional* 3rd and a 2nd round pick swap IIRC. That might seem like a lot, especially for Wentz at that time, but it's far from 1st round value.

I think that trade was a good piece of information in helping figure out our 'failure' to successfully trade Jimmy G last offseason… especially given the early Washington rumors.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I don't know we have seen the likes of Carson Wentz get traded for a bunch. But I do agree a 1st is a bit much for a kid who hasn't played much football, can't stay healthy and has the worst hair line I've ever seen.

Carson Wentz was (most recently) traded for a 3rd, a conditional* 3rd and a 2nd round pick swap IIRC. That might seem like a lot, especially for Wentz at that time, but it's far from 1st round value.

I think that trade was a good piece of information in helping figure out our 'failure' to successfully trade Jimmy G last offseason… especially given the early Washington rumors.

Curious... how did your perception of Jimmy's value change during that offseason vs Trey this offseason?

Because obviously the situations were/are different... but you said after the draft was when you realized your value for Trey was too high? What changed?

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Hell yeah I'll give Brock passes for dropped INT's, especially when he does things like helping his team go 7-0. And I'd do the same if Trey Lance went 7-0 with two playoff wins.

Well you should give Trey a pass on this particular game with his dropped second interception considering his win helped the team get into the playoffs after y'all's precious Jimmy damn near ruined the teams playoff hopes by playing like trash against the Titans a week prior.

Lol that was one frickin game Trey Lance won, acting like it was so damn important. You could've put Josh Johnson in that game and gotten the same results the way the defense was playing.

Trey Lance helped with one measly game, how many did Jimmy help with?? And don't say stupid s**t like oh Jimmy didn't do anything cause if thats the case Trey didn't do s**t either since it took him almost three quarters to score a TD.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
My argument was always that if you gave Trey a season's worth of work, he would be able to provide what Jimmy was able to when it came down the stretch/playoffs. But all of that might be moot because Brock was able to step in as the last pick in the draft and far exceed what Jimmy was able to do anyway.

Yeah, I can see that being the hope and I think that's what the team was hoping for. My concern was that the first half of the season was going to be so rough that we may miss the playoffs. It almost happened with Jimmy and I personally think he would of been quite a bit worse than jimmy over that time period, especially if the rest of the team isn't in gear.

even though we will never know, I'm so curious to know how much Brock benefited from sitting those first 14 weeks or so to learn how to prep for an NFL game. This doesn't really have much to do with Lance, I just have always thought that giving a younger player a few months to adjust to how to prep for a game was a great idea. Gradually slide them in and let them try and finish the season strong.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I would love to know what Trey Lance's perceived value is among actual football people in front offices. I know in this thread the loud posters believe that he has no value. But I have to assume that most people who get paid to do this for a living have a fundamental understanding that its stupid to place judgment on a young QB after 4 games.

I'd be willing to bet his value is substantially higher among NFL front offices than it seems to be in this thread. What that value is, I dont know.

Your premise for why some think his trade value might be lower than expected is flawed. It's not simply about passing judgement on Trey Lance after 4 regular season starts, and people who are paid to do this for a living certainly understand this.

My opinion is that the vast majority of people here probably estimate his trade value higher than it actually is… and I think I was one of them, at least prior to the past draft.

Your opinion is flawed just the same since we have no idea what Trey's actual trade value is ATM.

people could just say what they would trade for Trey if they were another team. The most I'd give is a conditional 2nd and that would only be if my starting QB was gonna be Sam Howell.

There was a report that came out from anonymous NFL execs that have said he hasn't looked good when he played and what others have heard around the NFL, the 49ers aren't thrilled with him - so a few teams said they'd offer a third or so. This was early after last season ended.

Some will dismiss it because it's "anonymous" but I think the fact there are reports like this and then others who really like Lance keep saying "well you can't trade him for Pennie's". Lol it's probably just not very much.

i personally can see a team, that really liked him pre draft. Would trade two 2's or so. Like the falcons. I've always kinda felt like he goes to the falcons.

Now deebo says there's significant improvement.

If that's not a sure sign that he sucked when he came in I don't know what is.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
I think it would be a mistake to trade him now unless there is a legit back up plan for qb 2. I have absolutely zero confidence in Darnold, he flat out sucks. How much would the team still owe Trey if they traded him? Unless they feel Allen can be the backup, I would just hold on to Trey in case we need him this year.

I wouldn't trade Trey now unless there was a 1st rounder involved. His value is low, darnold sucks and Shanahan kills his qbs. We need all the qbs we can have.

I would hate going into the season facing the prospect of relying on Sam Darnold if Purdy misses time. That guy has been terrible his entire career. He's got that "wtf!?" factor that Jimmy has, only to a degree that makes Jimmy palatable.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
I think it would be a mistake to trade him now unless there is a legit back up plan for qb 2. I have absolutely zero confidence in Darnold, he flat out sucks. How much would the team still owe Trey if they traded him? Unless they feel Allen can be the backup, I would just hold on to Trey in case we need him this year.

I wouldn't trade Trey now unless there was a 1st rounder involved. His value is low, darnold sucks and Shanahan kills his qbs. We need all the qbs we can have.

Brandon allen would actually be a very viable 3rd option, especially because his skill set is very similar to Purdy/Lance.

i wouldn't trade Lance unless it was a good deal. Maybe something like a first and then conditional picks? Or conditional swaps? It really just depends on how the team feels about him. He's at his most valuable right now (without playing) because of his fifth year option. If I liked him right now (say I'm the falcons) - I'd want him for a year to see how he does and Is around the facility before having to execute that fifth year option. His salary is a bargain.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Now deebo says there's significant improvement.

If that's not a sure sign that he sucked when he came in I don't know what is.

Its possible to improve from any level. Christian Mccaffrey could improve. You don't have to be bad to improve LOL

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Now deebo says there's significant improvement.

If that's not a sure sign that he sucked when he came in I don't know what is.

Its possible to improve from any level. Christian Mccaffrey could improve. You don't have to be bad to improve LOL

Eh I think he's referring to "Significant improvement", I don't think a very good player can have significant improvement. I view it as You have to initially be bad-average to significantly improve. Idk what someone like mahommes can do to significantly improve how he plays the position. It's more than just stats.

maybe you can. When I personally say "significant", I'm hinting that you weren't adequate before