Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by tankle104:

nah Trey Lance stays in the Lab 🧪 #fttb pic.twitter.com/pPphAzr6AK

— babysteph (@30tradez) June 29, 2023

He looks fit, what I wanna see is him able to operate the offense smoothly and efficiently. It's not his fault, but injuries have made it imperative that he takes steps forward this year. His 5th year option is coming up next year, and if he wants to be here, he's going to have to beat out Darnold for qb2 at the minimum. He's going to be making too much to be riding the pine. I am cautiously optimistic that he can do this, time is running out though.

Why the duck do I want my qb doing that. I want a qb not a f**king lb. Give me Brees, Roethlisberger, montana, Fouts, moon. Don't give me ray f**king lewis

That's how you prevent injuries!

Throwing the ball from the pocket is how you prevent injuries. Making quick decisions from the pocket prevents injuries.

Yes. I can confirm that these are the only 2 things that prevent QB injuries in football. Great job Kolohe. Dropping knowledge today.

Keep your sarcasm, but there's a reason Brady, Manning, Rothelisberger, Rivers and Brees had such long careers. Here's a hint, it didn't matter how much weights they repped or extreme cross fit drills they did.

Roethlisberger has been injured a ton in his career btw.

Yes pocket passers tend to have longer careers but that's because the thing they do well doesn't depreciate as much with age. The legs go long before the arm does.

However it's stupid to think those guys didn't train similar to what Lance had in that video. Brady in fact had a whole training system built around him after his ACL injury which was certainly in the pocket. I've seen videos of him running sprints as well over the years.

Originally posted by matt49er:
No matter what opinion you have on the QB situation, one thing is undeniable; Worst case scenario is giving up on Trey Lance & watching him blossom into what you were drafting for with another franchise. No matter how good you think Brock Purdy is (I'm a big Purdy fan fwiw), this franchise owes it to themselves, to Trey and to the team to figure out how to make sure they know for absolute positive what they have in him BEFORE letting him go to another team.

I also think it would be unwise to rush Brock back week 1. Even if he's "healthy" if he isn't fully prepared, I'd prefer he sit until he has enough practice reps to shake off the rust and be fully ready before playing. It's a long season, we'll likely see both young QBs and maybe even Sam Darnold during the 17 week regular season. My hope is that we find the right answer at QB, no matter who it is I'm just praying that guy is already on the roster.

This is all I want to see…we have to get this right and to do that you need to compare apples to apples. Have a competition and let the best man win and prove they can do it long term in games. Build around that guy and protect him.

Originally posted by 49ers81:
As to the first bolded, this is the conundrum where Lance is concerned. How exactly are they supposed to "figure" this out without actually giving him game reps that they have pretty much said will be going to Purdy as long as he's healthy? The chatter coming out of the organization seems to be that they were willing to roll with Lance last year so that they could allow him to get those reps and show what he could do and had Jimmy waiting in the wings in case he faltered. But with his injury in the 2nd game of the season, and Brock's subsequent emergence, that dynamic has changed. This is a team that has been to the NFC Championship in three of the past four years. They have some key players who are now another year older and I just don't see a scenario where they would be willing to take a, "we'll see what happens with Lance", approach to this season. It seems to me that ship has sailed and I'm not sure how you can bring it back to port and start over. Just bad luck on Trey's part.

As to Brock needing to "shake the rust off", well he played 48 games in college to Lance's 17. He came in cold against Miami and won that game and the next seven without having gotten anything but back-up reps for the previous ten weeks of the season. So I suspect that a "rusty" Purdy would still be a few steps up on the far more inexperienced Lance. If the recovery timetable holds true, Purdy will be back in mid-August, which will give him three weeks of working with the one's to get his timing down. There remains the legitimate question of whether or not being cleared to play is the same as being ready to play in terms of game conditioning and all that but the reports seem to indicate that he has already been lifting weights and if that's the case it seems like there would be few restrictions on his getting in some of the other kind of workouts he'll need to be ready for the season, though of course anything is possible in regards to what the timetable is for his full recovery.

My biggest concern is still the mental part of his recovery. This is a guy who had apparently never been seriously injured in his career up until the Philly game. One of the hallmarks of his run last season was that he played with a lot of confidence and fearlessness. Nick Mullens, who had a similar injury, said that getting through the mental part was the toughest aspect of his recovery process. Purdy seems like a pretty well-grounded guy, so maybe he will be able to avoid some of those concerns.

As regards Lance getting the time to allow the team to figure out what they have in him, the ONLY way that is going to happen now is if he somehow, flat out wins the starting position through his play in camp and during the preseason. It will be a tough hill to climb and I guess we'll see what happens. Go Niners!

Very well said post. kudos!

i agree that it's unfortunate for Lance. Outside of us making him a millionaire, I feel for the guy career wise. I never understood the selection in regards to where our team was at and what it needed. He will get a chance with another team to develop, fortunately he's still really young. He'll do well with another team, if it isn't here. He just needs a lot of reps. I think he's too inexperienced to handle the bull we currently have.

regarding the mental aspect of his recovery, it's def a concern, but I think he's been positioned well to tackle it. He has played so much ball, and been in so many different situations, that I think he will be fine. He may be a little rusty but his rusty will be good enough. I think Brock is the steal of the century. Lol

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by matt49er:
No matter what opinion you have on the QB situation, one thing is undeniable; Worst case scenario is giving up on Trey Lance & watching him blossom into what you were drafting for with another franchise. No matter how good you think Brock Purdy is (I'm a big Purdy fan fwiw), this franchise owes it to themselves, to Trey and to the team to figure out how to make sure they know for absolute positive what they have in him BEFORE letting him go to another team.

I also think it would be unwise to rush Brock back week 1. Even if he's "healthy" if he isn't fully prepared, I'd prefer he sit until he has enough practice reps to shake off the rust and be fully ready before playing. It's a long season, we'll likely see both young QBs and maybe even Sam Darnold during the 17 week regular season. My hope is that we find the right answer at QB, no matter who it is I'm just praying that guy is already on the roster.

As to the first bolded, this is the conundrum where Lance is concerned. How exactly are they supposed to "figure" this out without actually giving him game reps that they have pretty much said will be going to Purdy as long as he's healthy? The chatter coming out of the organization seems to be that they were willing to roll with Lance last year so that they could allow him to get those reps and show what he could do and had Jimmy waiting in the wings in case he faltered. But with his injury in the 2nd game of the season, and Brock's subsequent emergence, that dynamic has changed. This is a team that has been to the NFC Championship in three of the past four years. They have some key players who are now another year older and I just don't see a scenario where they would be willing to take a, "we'll see what happens with Lance", approach to this season. It seems to me that ship has sailed and I'm not sure how you can bring it back to port and start over. Just bad luck on Trey's part.

As to Brock needing to "shake the rust off", well he played 48 games in college to Lance's 17. He came in cold against Miami and won that game and the next seven without having gotten anything but back-up reps for the previous ten weeks of the season. So I suspect that a "rusty" Purdy would still be a few steps up on the far more inexperienced Lance. If the recovery timetable holds true, Purdy will be back in mid-August, which will give him three weeks of working with the one's to get his timing down. There remains the legitimate question of whether or not being cleared to play is the same as being ready to play in terms of game conditioning and all that but the reports seem to indicate that he has already been lifting weights and if that's the case it seems like there would be few restrictions on his getting in some of the other kind of workouts he'll need to be ready for the season, though of course anything is possible in regards to what the timetable is for his full recovery.

My biggest concern is still the mental part of his recovery. This is a guy who had apparently never been seriously injured in his career up until the Philly game. One of the hallmarks of his run last season was that he played with a lot of confidence and fearlessness. Nick Mullens, who had a similar injury, said that getting through the mental part was the toughest aspect of his recovery process. Purdy seems like a pretty well-grounded guy, so maybe he will be able to avoid some of those concerns.

As regards Lance getting the time to allow the team to figure out what they have in him, the ONLY way that is going to happen now is if he somehow, flat out wins the starting position through his play in camp and during the preseason. It will be a tough hill to climb and I guess we'll see what happens. Go Niners!

I think you hit it with the bolded part & that's what I was more alluding too with him not being ready (Brock) to start the season. IMO THIS is the opportunity. You sit Brock to start the season citing that you want to ensure he isn't rushed & that we don't compound his injury by playing him too soon. This provides the opportunity for Trey Lance to start the season as the starter to see what he's got. Give him a min of 4-6 games with a smart game plan (i.e. not running QB power constantly) and really see what he can do. Then hopefully the franchise will truly know what they have in Lance while gaining clarity on how they should handle this situation moving forward. Otherwise I just think it's an uneducated guess; you can't tell with practices.

would never happen Lol this trade wouldn't go down for even one of those three

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:


would never happen Lol this trade wouldn't go down for even one of those three

Lol

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:


would never happen Lol this trade wouldn't go down for even one of those three

That's what they turned our picks used to get the pick for Trey into, not a trade proposal...

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by tankle104:

nah Trey Lance stays in the Lab 🧪 #fttb pic.twitter.com/pPphAzr6AK

— babysteph (@30tradez) June 29, 2023

He looks fit, what I wanna see is him able to operate the offense smoothly and efficiently. It's not his fault, but injuries have made it imperative that he takes steps forward this year. His 5th year option is coming up next year, and if he wants to be here, he's going to have to beat out Darnold for qb2 at the minimum. He's going to be making too much to be riding the pine. I am cautiously optimistic that he can do this, time is running out though.

Why the duck do I want my qb doing that. I want a qb not a f**king lb. Give me Brees, Roethlisberger, montana, Fouts, moon. Don't give me ray f**king lewis

That's how you prevent injuries!

Throwing the ball from the pocket is how you prevent injuries. Making quick decisions from the pocket prevents injuries.

Yes. I can confirm that these are the only 2 things that prevent QB injuries in football. Great job Kolohe. Dropping knowledge today.

Keep your sarcasm, but there's a reason Brady, Manning, Rothelisberger, Rivers and Brees had such long careers. Here's a hint, it didn't matter how much weights they repped or extreme cross fit drills they did.

Roethlisberger has been injured a ton in his career btw.

Yes pocket passers tend to have longer careers but that's because the thing they do well doesn't depreciate as much with age. The legs go long before the arm does.

However it's stupid to think those guys didn't train similar to what Lance had in that video. Brady in fact had a whole training system built around him after his ACL injury which was certainly in the pocket. I've seen videos of him running sprints as well over the years.

Yeah simply being a pocket passer doesn't help you avoid injuries, it's knowing how and when to go down. When Brady saw a free rusher coming at him, he'd go down on his own. Most of the injuries I've seen in football happen when a player fights to get extra yardage. Jerry had an insane sense of how to get tackled too, and it showed in his availability, so it doesn't just apply to QBs.

Originally posted by matt49er:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by matt49er:
No matter what opinion you have on the QB situation, one thing is undeniable; Worst case scenario is giving up on Trey Lance & watching him blossom into what you were drafting for with another franchise. No matter how good you think Brock Purdy is (I'm a big Purdy fan fwiw), this franchise owes it to themselves, to Trey and to the team to figure out how to make sure they know for absolute positive what they have in him BEFORE letting him go to another team.

I also think it would be unwise to rush Brock back week 1. Even if he's "healthy" if he isn't fully prepared, I'd prefer he sit until he has enough practice reps to shake off the rust and be fully ready before playing. It's a long season, we'll likely see both young QBs and maybe even Sam Darnold during the 17 week regular season. My hope is that we find the right answer at QB, no matter who it is I'm just praying that guy is already on the roster.

As to the first bolded, this is the conundrum where Lance is concerned. How exactly are they supposed to "figure" this out without actually giving him game reps that they have pretty much said will be going to Purdy as long as he's healthy? The chatter coming out of the organization seems to be that they were willing to roll with Lance last year so that they could allow him to get those reps and show what he could do and had Jimmy waiting in the wings in case he faltered. But with his injury in the 2nd game of the season, and Brock's subsequent emergence, that dynamic has changed. This is a team that has been to the NFC Championship in three of the past four years. They have some key players who are now another year older and I just don't see a scenario where they would be willing to take a, "we'll see what happens with Lance", approach to this season. It seems to me that ship has sailed and I'm not sure how you can bring it back to port and start over. Just bad luck on Trey's part.

As to Brock needing to "shake the rust off", well he played 48 games in college to Lance's 17. He came in cold against Miami and won that game and the next seven without having gotten anything but back-up reps for the previous ten weeks of the season. So I suspect that a "rusty" Purdy would still be a few steps up on the far more inexperienced Lance. If the recovery timetable holds true, Purdy will be back in mid-August, which will give him three weeks of working with the one's to get his timing down. There remains the legitimate question of whether or not being cleared to play is the same as being ready to play in terms of game conditioning and all that but the reports seem to indicate that he has already been lifting weights and if that's the case it seems like there would be few restrictions on his getting in some of the other kind of workouts he'll need to be ready for the season, though of course anything is possible in regards to what the timetable is for his full recovery.

My biggest concern is still the mental part of his recovery. This is a guy who had apparently never been seriously injured in his career up until the Philly game. One of the hallmarks of his run last season was that he played with a lot of confidence and fearlessness. Nick Mullens, who had a similar injury, said that getting through the mental part was the toughest aspect of his recovery process. Purdy seems like a pretty well-grounded guy, so maybe he will be able to avoid some of those concerns.

As regards Lance getting the time to allow the team to figure out what they have in him, the ONLY way that is going to happen now is if he somehow, flat out wins the starting position through his play in camp and during the preseason. It will be a tough hill to climb and I guess we'll see what happens. Go Niners!

I think you hit it with the bolded part & that's what I was more alluding too with him not being ready (Brock) to start the season. IMO THIS is the opportunity. You sit Brock to start the season citing that you want to ensure he isn't rushed & that we don't compound his injury by playing him too soon. This provides the opportunity for Trey Lance to start the season as the starter to see what he's got. Give him a min of 4-6 games with a smart game plan (i.e. not running QB power constantly) and really see what he can do. Then hopefully the franchise will truly know what they have in Lance while gaining clarity on how they should handle this situation moving forward. Otherwise I just think it's an uneducated guess; you can't tell with practices.

If Purdy is healthy and ready to play they are not going to give Lance 4-6 starts in his stead. Brock would have had to fallen completely off the cliff with his recovery timetable for that to be even remotely possible. After having fallen short three of the last four years I think there is probably a very real sense of urgency within the organization to get it done this season. They need to not get off to their usual slow start and they simply aren't going to risk the possibility of going 1-3 or even 2-2 in the first four games just to give Lance an opportunity to see how far he's progressed.. As I said before, barring some setback in Purdy's recovery, Lance will have training camp and preseason to prove to everyone in the organization, including the players, that HE is the one that will give them the best chance to win games going into the season, Based on what we've seen so far, that seems like a bit of a longshot. But I suppose stranger things have happened.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by tankle104:

nah Trey Lance stays in the Lab 🧪 #fttb pic.twitter.com/pPphAzr6AK

— babysteph (@30tradez) June 29, 2023

He looks fit, what I wanna see is him able to operate the offense smoothly and efficiently. It's not his fault, but injuries have made it imperative that he takes steps forward this year. His 5th year option is coming up next year, and if he wants to be here, he's going to have to beat out Darnold for qb2 at the minimum. He's going to be making too much to be riding the pine. I am cautiously optimistic that he can do this, time is running out though.

Why the duck do I want my qb doing that. I want a qb not a f**king lb. Give me Brees, Roethlisberger, montana, Fouts, moon. Don't give me ray f**king lewis

That's how you prevent injuries!

Throwing the ball from the pocket is how you prevent injuries. Making quick decisions from the pocket prevents injuries.

Yes. I can confirm that these are the only 2 things that prevent QB injuries in football. Great job Kolohe. Dropping knowledge today.

He didn't say they're the only two ways to prevent injuries.

Well if you wanna play that game.... I didnt say that he said they're the only two ways to prevent injuries.

He didnt say. He 100% inferred. You were doing good for awhile... dont ruin it.

Lmao yes you did! I quote "these are the only 2 things that prevent QB injuries in football". Why you lying?! lmao

i get the sarcasm and point, but you did say that. Lmao I'm just giving you a hard time.

"I can confirm that fire is hot." --Does this have anything to do with what you said? LoL.

"I can confirm" doesnt refer to anyone else's thoughts but mine. You failed on that one.

I'm pulling for Trey to take the league by storm.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by tankle104:

nah Trey Lance stays in the Lab 🧪 #fttb pic.twitter.com/pPphAzr6AK

— babysteph (@30tradez) June 29, 2023

He looks fit, what I wanna see is him able to operate the offense smoothly and efficiently. It's not his fault, but injuries have made it imperative that he takes steps forward this year. His 5th year option is coming up next year, and if he wants to be here, he's going to have to beat out Darnold for qb2 at the minimum. He's going to be making too much to be riding the pine. I am cautiously optimistic that he can do this, time is running out though.

Why the duck do I want my qb doing that. I want a qb not a f**king lb. Give me Brees, Roethlisberger, montana, Fouts, moon. Don't give me ray f**king lewis

That's how you prevent injuries!

Throwing the ball from the pocket is how you prevent injuries. Making quick decisions from the pocket prevents injuries.

Yes. I can confirm that these are the only 2 things that prevent QB injuries in football. Great job Kolohe. Dropping knowledge today.

He didn't say they're the only two ways to prevent injuries.

Well if you wanna play that game.... I didnt say that he said they're the only two ways to prevent injuries.

He didnt say. He 100% inferred. You were doing good for awhile... dont ruin it.

Lmao yes you did! I quote "these are the only 2 things that prevent QB injuries in football". Why you lying?! lmao

i get the sarcasm and point, but you did say that. Lmao I'm just giving you a hard time.

"I can confirm that fire is hot." --Does this have anything to do with what you said? LoL.

"I can confirm" doesnt refer to anyone else's thoughts but mine. You failed on that one.

Idk what the hell you're trying to say. Just take the L. Lol happens to the best of us. I've taken L's.. no biggie

You understand clearly. Now for some more Lance tweets,....you're good with those.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:


would never happen Lol this trade wouldn't go down for even one of those three

That's what they turned our picks used to get the pick for Trey into, not a trade proposal...

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by tankle104:

nah Trey Lance stays in the Lab 🧪 #fttb pic.twitter.com/pPphAzr6AK

— babysteph (@30tradez) June 29, 2023

He looks fit, what I wanna see is him able to operate the offense smoothly and efficiently. It's not his fault, but injuries have made it imperative that he takes steps forward this year. His 5th year option is coming up next year, and if he wants to be here, he's going to have to beat out Darnold for qb2 at the minimum. He's going to be making too much to be riding the pine. I am cautiously optimistic that he can do this, time is running out though.

Why the duck do I want my qb doing that. I want a qb not a f**king lb. Give me Brees, Roethlisberger, montana, Fouts, moon. Don't give me ray f**king lewis

That's how you prevent injuries!

Throwing the ball from the pocket is how you prevent injuries. Making quick decisions from the pocket prevents injuries.

Yes. I can confirm that these are the only 2 things that prevent QB injuries in football. Great job Kolohe. Dropping knowledge today.

Keep your sarcasm, but there's a reason Brady, Manning, Rothelisberger, Rivers and Brees had such long careers. Here's a hint, it didn't matter how much weights they repped or extreme cross fit drills they did.

Roethlisberger has been injured a ton in his career btw.

Yes pocket passers tend to have longer careers but that's because the thing they do well doesn't depreciate as much with age. The legs go long before the arm does.

However it's stupid to think those guys didn't train similar to what Lance had in that video. Brady in fact had a whole training system built around him after his ACL injury which was certainly in the pocket. I've seen videos of him running sprints as well over the years.

Yeah simply being a pocket passer doesn't help you avoid injuries, it's knowing how and when to go down. When Brady saw a free rusher coming at him, he'd go down on his own. Most of the injuries I've seen in football happen when a player fights to get extra yardage. Jerry had an insane sense of how to get tackled too, and it showed in his availability, so it doesn't just apply to QBs.

But we're only talking about QB's here. So lemme get this straight, running QB's don't know how to get tackled then??

All the top QB's in the NFL that are pocket QB's still get lit up day in and day out. But when they're in the pocket there's a lot more rules to protect the QB. Where as once they leave the pocket and take off running there's only one rule to protect them if they don't slide. Not to mention its easy to occur a non contact injury when you're outside the pocket.