Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:
Are you just trolling now? First of all if you want to be taken seriously stop quoting that idiot. The guy has been exposed as a dumbass and not someone to take seriously.

He's out there climbing through hoops trying to trash Lance(then again which of you is him?)

Taking an interview from 2017 and making the conclusion it's applicable to a totally different player in 2023 is something else.

We all know the story about Kyle and RG3 and Cousins. It does not apply to Lance the way you guys want it to. Kyle selected Trey. Trey is already here. The idea that he can't be successful in an offense designed for Purdy is pure speculation. If anything most of us not out on Trey want to see that offense with Trey.

There have also been a lot of interviews with Kyle since that one, ones which show a guy like Trey is someone he was looking for and he's expanding what he's looking for in a QB. Purdy may be the guy he wanted all along but it doesn't change his most recent comments point to Trey certainly being part of what he wanted to do on offense.

So stop quoting that 1 trick dumbass and let's see how Trey looks in a few weeks. Then we can comment better on his future with the team.

Quoting who?! lol I don't even have a Twitter account.'I have no idea who that guy is, nor do I care. I just look up random things and these guys tweets show up.

it was our head coach talking about a player similar to Trey and the situation. OUR head coach talking about how he designs the playbook every year for a QB room.

why are you always throwing a fit? How is that not relevant to Trey? Same head coach, same player caller, same playbook designer - Trey obviously has a totally different skill set than Brock/darnold. There is a lot of relevance there.

or did you just see whoever the hell the guy who tweeted it and not watch the video? That's probably what you did. Lol

Flave is a tool. I can't take anyone seriously using his posts as a message.

And I watched the video. It was from 6 years ago and as I said lots has changed and RG3 and Trey are not the same. Kyle selected him and you're going to tell me he didn't think Trey could run his offense?

RG3 wasn't a Shanahan pick. They made that work until the guy got injured. Shanahan has been talking about wanting to play 11 on 11 football and talking about scheme advantage someone who can do that can provide but because of an interview about a backup former QB they'd have to sign in FA…we want to take that and ignore all the recent stuff? You think Shanahan hasn't adapted since then?

And you think that's logical?

The picks to get Lance are irrelevant. Had we not lucked out on Purdy, Lance would be the starter this year and suffer the growing pains he should have suffered last year. But we got lucky with the last pick in the draft.

The fact that we potentially got a top ten guy with the last pick in the draft tells you it's pointless to wonder "what if" on picks we didn't ever even have a chance to use. And maybe we wouldn't have even selected Purdy if we didn't spend capital on Lance, phasing Garoppolo out the door and needing a replacement for him. Maybe Jimmy G would have signed an extension and we'd be stuck another 5 years with almost good enough at the QB position.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
The picks to get Lance are irrelevant. Had we not lucked out on Purdy, Lance would be the starter this year and suffer the growing pains he should have suffered last year. But we got lucky with the last pick in the draft.

The fact that we potentially got a top ten guy with the last pick in the draft tells you it's pointless to wonder "what if" on picks we didn't ever even have a chance to use. And maybe we wouldn't have even selected Purdy if we didn't spend capital on Lance, phasing Garoppolo out the door and needing a replacement for him. Maybe Jimmy G would have signed an extension and we'd be stuck another 5 years with almost good enough at the QB position.

It's very hard to buy this opinion given that he's competing for the backup job. Given their actions and the team's position, they likely would have been a bigger player in the free agent/trade market. Not less so.

Originally posted by genus49:
Flave is a tool. I can't take anyone seriously using his posts as a message.

And I watched the video. It was from 6 years ago and as I said lots has changed and RG3 and Trey are not the same. Kyle selected him and you're going to tell me he didn't think Trey could run his offense?

RG3 wasn't a Shanahan pick. They made that work until the guy got injured. Shanahan has been talking about wanting to play 11 on 11 football and talking about scheme advantage someone who can do that can provide but because of an interview about a backup former QB they'd have to sign in FA…we want to take that and ignore all the recent stuff? You think Shanahan hasn't adapted since then?

And you think that's logical?

So just cause he's a tool, that what that post was about has no merit? I think a lot of things you post are foolish, you see me throwing a fit?

and RG3 was picked by kyles dad and Kyle. They both were running the team. Regardless of if reports that they wanted him or ownership, they picked him.

If you can't see the relation between his comments about RG3 in 2017 and lances situation in 2023, then Idk what to tell you. Lol go sit and think about it some more.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
The picks to get Lance are irrelevant. Had we not lucked out on Purdy, Lance would be the starter this year and suffer the growing pains he should have suffered last year. But we got lucky with the last pick in the draft.

The fact that we potentially got a top ten guy with the last pick in the draft tells you it's pointless to wonder "what if" on picks we didn't ever even have a chance to use. And maybe we wouldn't have even selected Purdy if we didn't spend capital on Lance, phasing Garoppolo out the door and needing a replacement for him. Maybe Jimmy G would have signed an extension and we'd be stuck another 5 years with almost good enough at the QB position.

It's very hard to buy this opinion given that he's competing for the backup job. Given their actions and the team's position, they likely would have been a bigger player in the free agent/trade market. Not less so.

We're assuming anything would have worked out the same way in the first place. Had Purdy not shown himself to be very good, the team could have just as well decided they drafted a guy and were willing to ride it out and see what he could do with some development. Trey Lance's development was short circuited by Brock Purdy, not by Trey Lance.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
The picks to get Lance are irrelevant. Had we not lucked out on Purdy, Lance would be the starter this year and suffer the growing pains he should have suffered last year. But we got lucky with the last pick in the draft.

The fact that we potentially got a top ten guy with the last pick in the draft tells you it's pointless to wonder "what if" on picks we didn't ever even have a chance to use. And maybe we wouldn't have even selected Purdy if we didn't spend capital on Lance, phasing Garoppolo out the door and needing a replacement for him. Maybe Jimmy G would have signed an extension and we'd be stuck another 5 years with almost good enough at the QB position.

It's very hard to buy this opinion given that he's competing for the backup job. Given their actions and the team's position, they likely would have been a bigger player in the free agent/trade market. Not less so.

Yeah, I think we would be in the same position with Lance. Lol only difference is that we wouldn't have a hard decision on who QB1 is. We would probably of tried to get Cousins or something.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
The picks to get Lance are irrelevant. Had we not lucked out on Purdy, Lance would be the starter this year and suffer the growing pains he should have suffered last year. But we got lucky with the last pick in the draft.

The fact that we potentially got a top ten guy with the last pick in the draft tells you it's pointless to wonder "what if" on picks we didn't ever even have a chance to use. And maybe we wouldn't have even selected Purdy if we didn't spend capital on Lance, phasing Garoppolo out the door and needing a replacement for him. Maybe Jimmy G would have signed an extension and we'd be stuck another 5 years with almost good enough at the QB position.

It's very hard to buy this opinion given that he's competing for the backup job. Given their actions and the team's position, they likely would have been a bigger player in the free agent/trade market. Not less so.

We're assuming anything would have worked out the same way in the first place. Had Purdy not shown himself to be very good, the team could have just as well decided they drafted a guy and were willing to ride it out and see what he could do with some development. Trey Lance's development was short circuited by Brock Purdy, not by Trey Lance.

Yeah, I don't agree with that. Lance isn't losing first team reps because of Brock (right now). He's losing that for other reasons. We don't know exactly what they are, but it's pretty easy to speculate.

if they really felt good and confident in Lance, they wouldn't be taking reps away from him right now. They would be cramming as many as they could his way to develop him and see how he looks. Instead, they're doing the opposite.

to me, it's very obvious the team is nervous about what they've seen from Lance over the last two years and have lost confidence in the potential they thought he had. To the point where they're not even fully trying to develop him anymore. Taking reps from him is massive. That's a big surprise to me. Says a lot

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
He's quick enough to be a threat on the ground, in particular up the middle.

Yeah, he's more than enough to run the ball with 1-3 times a game. Not to design an entire system around and run 10+ Times a game with him. I don't think he's talented enough athletically to play true 11-11 ball, i think only a couple QBs can do that today - Lamar, Fields, Hurts (I'd be cautious if his health too cause he plays physical but has nice shiftiness) and potentially Richardson. Lance doesn't move like those guys and has to play really physical, which will just continue to get him injured.

We are better off giving those 7-9 extra rushes to CMC/Mitchell/Deebo. Giving those runs to Lance has been the least effective use of the runs, IMO.

im not saying Lance doesn't have the ability to do damage with his legs. I just don't think he's talented enough to run a specially designed qb run game with. He can do some serious damage on scrambles and boot legs, but not when the defense is anticipating him running the ball thay much. I think it's a waste of his health and he can provide more elsewhere. Develop his passing game and then his running will be far more effective.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
We're assuming anything would have worked out the same way in the first place. Had Purdy not shown himself to be very good, the team could have just as well decided they drafted a guy and were willing to ride it out and see what he could do with some development. Trey Lance's development was short circuited by Brock Purdy, not by Trey Lance.

I'm not assuming that at all. I'm basing my opinion off actions the team is taking, but also took prior to this season... as well as the team's overall situation. That doesn't change if Purdy doesn't exist here. I don't agree that the only thing that short circuited Trey Lance's development was Purdy's emergence. Without rewriting everything that's been written on the topic, just isolating the fact that Trey was injured two games into a season in which the entire offseason was catered around his opportunity should cause hesitation in accepting this opinion.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
We're assuming anything would have worked out the same way in the first place. Had Purdy not shown himself to be very good, the team could have just as well decided they drafted a guy and were willing to ride it out and see what he could do with some development. Trey Lance's development was short circuited by Brock Purdy, not by Trey Lance.

I'm not assuming that at all. I'm basing my opinion off actions the team is taking, but also took prior to this season... as well as the team's overall situation. That doesn't change if Purdy doesn't exist here. I don't agree that the only thing that short circuited Trey Lance's development was Purdy's emergence. Without rewriting everything that's been written on the topic, just isolating the fact that Trey was injured two games into a season in which the entire offseason was catered around his opportunity should cause hesitation in accepting this opinion.

We would be in the same situation we were with jimmy, but a far less efficient QB. Health. Imagine we were going into this year with just Lance, the main concern would be "can he finally stay healthy so he can develop?". You can't think that going into year 3 with a raw qb with essentially 0 experience and health issues, would be all fine and dandy.

he hasn't been healthy for a single regular season game in two years. A big reason the team wanted to move off lf Jimmy was his health issue, not the only reason, but a big one.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah, I don't agree with that. Lance isn't losing first team reps because of Brock (right now). He's losing that for other reasons. We don't know exactly what they are, but it's pretty easy to speculate.

if they really felt good and confident in Lance, they wouldn't be taking reps away from him right now. They would be cramming as many as they could his way to develop him and see how he looks. Instead, they're doing the opposite.

to me, it's very obvious the team is nervous about what they've seen from Lance over the last two years and have lost confidence in the potential they thought he had. To the point where they're not even fully trying to develop him anymore. Taking reps from him is massive. That's a big surprise to me. Says a lot

Because of reps in minicamp? It's way too early to say any of that.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah, I don't agree with that. Lance isn't losing first team reps because of Brock (right now). He's losing that for other reasons. We don't know exactly what they are, but it's pretty easy to speculate.

if they really felt good and confident in Lance, they wouldn't be taking reps away from him right now. They would be cramming as many as they could his way to develop him and see how he looks. Instead, they're doing the opposite.

to me, it's very obvious the team is nervous about what they've seen from Lance over the last two years and have lost confidence in the potential they thought he had. To the point where they're not even fully trying to develop him anymore. Taking reps from him is massive. That's a big surprise to me. Says a lot

If purdy did not emerge I guarantee lynch, shanahan, or both would have been fired this year. If purdy doesn't exists we don't even make the playoffs last year.

Then it's two years wasted on 3 first round picks. IE the worst trade in NFL history. Heads would roll for that.

Lance probably would get a year with a new coach to right the ship then he would be shipped off at the end of the year unless he somehow looked completely different than he has. Then that new coach would get the QB he wants and rebuild.

Shanahan would have an under 500 record and have made the worst trade in NFL history and had 8 years as coach. It doesn't matter how rosey or how much you love him he'd probably be gone.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah, I don't agree with that. Lance isn't losing first team reps because of Brock (right now). He's losing that for other reasons. We don't know exactly what they are, but it's pretty easy to speculate.

if they really felt good and confident in Lance, they wouldn't be taking reps away from him right now. They would be cramming as many as they could his way to develop him and see how he looks. Instead, they're doing the opposite.

to me, it's very obvious the team is nervous about what they've seen from Lance over the last two years and have lost confidence in the potential they thought he had. To the point where they're not even fully trying to develop him anymore. Taking reps from him is massive. That's a big surprise to me. Says a lot

Because of reps in minicamp? It's way too early to say any of that.

Well kyle said it will happen in training camp too, as darnold gets the playbook down better. It hasn't happened, so we will have to see. I hope Lance plays well enough where he does - but I also hope Brock is there to take the reps. Lol

the fact kyle has even discussed this as part of the strategy is a big deal, to me. I never thought that was part of the plan and will just further slow down lances development, so that is saying a lot to me. Either they don't really plan on him being here, and want darnold as ready as possible, or they aren't concerned about lances development.

what im saying is just my speculation, We will have to see how it plays out, but I think that's a big deal.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah, I don't agree with that. Lance isn't losing first team reps because of Brock (right now). He's losing that for other reasons. We don't know exactly what they are, but it's pretty easy to speculate.

if they really felt good and confident in Lance, they wouldn't be taking reps away from him right now. They would be cramming as many as they could his way to develop him and see how he looks. Instead, they're doing the opposite.

to me, it's very obvious the team is nervous about what they've seen from Lance over the last two years and have lost confidence in the potential they thought he had. To the point where they're not even fully trying to develop him anymore. Taking reps from him is massive. That's a big surprise to me. Says a lot

If purdy did not emerge I guarantee lynch, shanahan, or both would have been fired this year. If purdy doesn't exists we don't even make the playoffs last year.

Then it's two years wasted on 3 first round picks. IE the worst trade in NFL history. Heads would roll for that.

Lance probably would get a year with a new coach to right the ship then he would be shipped off at the end of the year unless he somehow looked completely different than he has. Then that new coach would get the QB he wants and rebuild.

Shanahan would have an under 500 record and have made the worst trade in NFL history and had 8 years as coach. It doesn't matter how rosey or how much you love him he'd probably be gone.

Hmm I doubt they'd be gone but I think Kyle would be on thin ice - a lot of pressure to perform this upcoming season. Especially because they screwed up the whole jimmy relationship for essentially no reason in the process. Lol just one day they decided to trade the farm for his replacement. I'm not saying it wouldn't of been nice to have a better qb than jimmy but he was a damn good qb for us. It wasn't a NEED. Lol

so to just burn all of those relationships, picks, etc and be in a worse spot, I think it would be a bad look for the staff but I don't think it would of got them fired.

the good news is that we do have Purdy and he came through for us! So we don't have to worry about that scenario, thank god. I just want Purdy healthy and in camp, with some good competition from Lance/darnold.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
It's very hard to buy this opinion given that he's competing for the backup job. Given their actions and the team's position, they likely would have been a bigger player in the free agent/trade market. Not less so.

We likely would be sitting on Cousins or Carr right now if not for Purdy