Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by SD49er:
Yes I am sure. (See points 14, 15, 17, and 18.) I'll add points 36 -38:

36. Trey was named starter in 2022.
37. Trey got injured week 2
38. Trey has been injured in almost every game he has played for the 49ers.

Regarding points 14 and 15 Trey was never gonna take Jimmy's job. They were set on him sitting his first year which was a big mistake for him. No matter how close he got to playing better than him in training camp and preseason. Points 17 and 18 just show how impatient they were with him taking his lumps and weren't all in on developing him. So he barely had a chance when it was time for him to start. Which is really unfortunate because they panicked by bringing Jimmy back over what? Inconsistencies in practice? That's what practice is for and he was going up against the number 1 defense. And he was still dealing with his finger injury. They said Jimmy looked the best he's ever looked the year prior in practice and it didn't mean squat because he was the same ol Jimmy when it came to games. So they judged him hard and unfairly in his first offseason as the starter. I agree with your last few points. He needs to stay healthy but at the same time maybe don't run him so much and increase the chances of him getting hurt again.

I'm so excited to see Trey, Brock and Sam compete in preseason!

Originally posted by JMC52:
I'm so excited to see Trey, Brock and Sam compete in preseason!

Me too man, I want to see how much Trey has improved. It sucks that injuries have kept him off the field so much. I was with picking him, but I also have to admit that he has looked greener than I expected him to be. I think unrealistic expectations have caused all of the crazy, irrational hot takes on Trey. I don't think Trey is the dynamic runner that some of us, including myself, thought he would be. I doubt the idea of trying to play 11-on-11 football is a great strategy.They should concentrate on making him a better passer. I believe you'll only be able to use that qb power stuff in surprise situations to keep Trey from taking a beating.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
Man you guys are exhausting.

Nobody is putting Lance in the HOF, simply saying the guy has yet to write his story and hasn't been as bad as some are painting him in the film he's shown so far.

Bringing up his college tape at this point is stupid. It may not be a lot but we have NFL film to look at so making claims he didn't make NFL throws on his college tape means little when he's made NFL throws...in the NFL!

btw feel free to find me those NFL throws from Jim Drucknemiller....

Lance also had the 3rd best big time throw % last season and 90% of his throws came in a big rain game, with the bulk of those attempts happening late in the game when the rain was its worst.

It may not be a guarantee of great success but it's not a bad thing to show in limited snaps and tough circumstances.

lol 3rd in btt% and you are basing that off what, a game? dude doesn't even qualify

Yes...I'm basing it off the only games he had.

Do you want me to base it off games that didn't happen? That's the whole point of waiting to evaluating the kid.

that's not an evaluation, he had 5 bad quarters and didn't score any points and you want to talk about btt %, 3rd best in the NFL.. give me a break man
do you realize how silly this sounds? heck one could say he had the lowest TD % in NFL history, tied with a bunch of guys at 0%, he didn't get the ball in the endzone
if someone was going around talking about him being 0% on that, or dead last, I would say give me a break, he didn't play enough games

this is why typically on metric stats, you need a min number of games or attempts to qualify.

This won't be the last time you have to say this lol.

It won't be the last time you ignore the complete contradiction he just made, just given his past comments, either.

A bunch of selective reading going on here.

Originally posted by Furlow:
So throwing an INT and almost another, and only getting 3 points on offense is not terrible. Good to know. I'll look for the games where Purdy (or even Jimmy) did that and report back.

Not sure these 2 players belong in the same breath. Completely different skillsets brought to the table. Lets separate them.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by JMC52:
I'm so excited to see Trey, Brock and Sam compete in preseason!

Me too man, I want to see how much Trey has improved. It sucks that injuries have kept him off the field so much. I was with picking him, but I also have to admit that he has looked greener than I expected him to be. I think unrealistic expectations have caused all of the crazy, irrational hot takes on Trey. I don't think Trey is the dynamic runner that some of us, including myself, thought he would be. I doubt the idea of trying to play 11-on-11 football is a great strategy.They should concentrate on making him a better passer. I believe you'll only be able to use that qb power stuff in surprise situations to keep Trey from taking a beating.

True. I'd actually prefer Brock's quick and nimble mobility than the long speed. I said from day 1, Trey doesn't have the lateral quickness and speed to compliment the zone read and be a true threat off tackle. He'd be best with great protection in the pocket and then running through open lanes when pressured (or the defense gives him that). Focus on being a pocket passer first. Period. That's where they failed him. Take those hits exhausting the pocket/play like Kurt Warner and Steve Young had to learn.

Lance should have been used exactly like Purdy essentially. He should have used his legs only for scrambling and certainly not for running up the middle.
And if Shanahan doesn't want to use him like that because he's too raw, inaccurate and not a fast enough processor of the game then why did he sign Sam Darnold? Darnold has essentially the same flaws than Lance.
I can understand not wanting to use Lance the same way as Jimmy G or Purdy because they're more accurate, have a quicker release and take faster decisions. Plus they have more experience playing the position.
But at some point, if you want to know who Trey Lance really is, he has to play like a traditional pocket QB. If he fails, he fails but at least you will have the answer.
So far in the few games he played, I saw more potential with Trey Lance as a pocket QB than as a true dual threat QB.

But ultimately let's face it, unless Trey change his contract after this season and has a lower salary, they will trade him. They could trade him at the end of training camp too. If they saw him as Purdy's back up at best, Trey will cost them too much money. It's a difficult situation for everyone but that's the reality.

Originally posted by pdc20:
Lance should have been used exactly like Purdy essentially. He should have used his legs only for scrambling and certainly not for running up the middle.
And if Shanahan doesn't want to use him like that because he's too raw, inaccurate and not a fast enough processor of the game then why did he sign Sam Darnold? Darnold has essentially the same flaws than Lance.
I can understand not wanting to use Lance the same way as Jimmy G or Purdy because they're more accurate, have a quicker release and take faster decisions. Plus they have more experience playing the position.
But at some point, if you want to know who Trey Lance really is, he has to play like a traditional pocket QB. If he fails, he fails but at least you will have the answer.
So far in the few games he played, I saw more potential with Trey Lance as a pocket QB than as a true dual threat QB.

But ultimately let's face it, unless Trey change his contract after this season and has a lower salary, they will trade him. They could trade him at the end of training camp too. If they saw him as Purdy's back up at best, Trey will cost them too much money. It's a difficult situation for everyone but that's the reality.

That's one of my few issues with Kyle, he doesn't always trust players until they pass his test…but with Lance it's his own doing in a sense.

You made the evaluation to select him after that trade, you may not trust him to run the offense like Jimmy/Brock right away but is the risk/reward to using him more like a runner there? Clearly not and I think it was pretty obvious.

Looking back Trey actually had more success as a passer than a runner. The bulk of the drives ended on Trey's running.

Some people can point to Jalen Hurts and how the Eagles used him as a runner first then let him develop(Altho it seems like they didn't even know they were doing that considering they tried to trade for Wilson before last season) but Kyle exposed the kid to a lot of punishment early and now we may never see what he could've been here if Kyle just dialed up the same type of offense as he did with the other QBs and see if Trey can make it work.

Maybe it wouldn't have been as smooth, maybe it wouldn't have been exactly as how Kyle drew it up but maybe it would've still worked better than what we saw and Trey may have been able to stay healthy and actually develop as we wanted and then we could get the Trey as Kyle drew it up AND the extra playmaking ability.

Now we're going into it backwards…but maybe now Kyle will at least let him run the same type of offense.

Lots of unknowns and what ifs which is why I'm excited to see training camp get here.

Originally posted by random49er:
Not sure these 2 players belong in the same breath. Completely different skillsets brought to the table. Lets separate them.

He also doesn't have to look very far. The very next week in fact.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by JMC52:
I'm so excited to see Trey, Brock and Sam compete in preseason!

Me too man, I want to see how much Trey has improved. It sucks that injuries have kept him off the field so much. I was with picking him, but I also have to admit that he has looked greener than I expected him to be. I think unrealistic expectations have caused all of the crazy, irrational hot takes on Trey. I don't think Trey is the dynamic runner that some of us, including myself, thought he would be. I doubt the idea of trying to play 11-on-11 football is a great strategy.They should concentrate on making him a better passer. I believe you'll only be able to use that qb power stuff in surprise situations to keep Trey from taking a beating.

Yeah, I think his best bet career wise is to focus on becoming a better passer. To put all this running with him stuff away. If we run with him, let it be a scramble because the play didn't work or a first down run in a unique situation.

n/m

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Congrats BCB on your engagement!!! no sex during the season, keep yourself sharp

Why put this in Lance's thread?

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Congrats BCB on your engagement!!! no sex during the season, keep yourself sharp

Why put this in Lance's thread?

whiffed

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Me too man, I want to see how much Trey has improved. It sucks that injuries have kept him off the field so much. I was with picking him, but I also have to admit that he has looked greener than I expected him to be. I think unrealistic expectations have caused all of the crazy, irrational hot takes on Trey. I don't think Trey is the dynamic runner that some of us, including myself, thought he would be. I doubt the idea of trying to play 11-on-11 football is a great strategy.They should concentrate on making him a better passer. I believe you'll only be able to use that qb power stuff in surprise situations to keep Trey from taking a beating.

Trey's improvement is uncertain due to injuries. Unrealistic expectations have led to irrational hot takes. Focus on developing his passing skills. Limited use of QB power plays may protect him.

Originally posted by genus49:
That's one of my few issues with Kyle, he doesn't always trust players until they pass his test…but with Lance it's his own doing in a sense.

You made the evaluation to select him after that trade, you may not trust him to run the offense like Jimmy/Brock right away but is the risk/reward to using him more like a runner there? Clearly not and I think it was pretty obvious.

Looking back Trey actually had more success as a passer than a runner. The bulk of the drives ended on Trey's running.

Some people can point to Jalen Hurts and how the Eagles used him as a runner first then let him develop(Altho it seems like they didn't even know they were doing that considering they tried to trade for Wilson before last season) but Kyle exposed the kid to a lot of punishment early and now we may never see what he could've been here if Kyle just dialed up the same type of offense as he did with the other QBs and see if Trey can make it work.

Maybe it wouldn't have been as smooth, maybe it wouldn't have been exactly as how Kyle drew it up but maybe it would've still worked better than what we saw and Trey may have been able to stay healthy and actually develop as we wanted and then we could get the Trey as Kyle drew it up AND the extra playmaking ability.

Now we're going into it backwards…but maybe now Kyle will at least let him run the same type of offense.

Lots of unknowns and what ifs which is why I'm excited to see training camp get here.

The predraft evaluations put way to much emphasis on 40 times for quickness. I really don't care how fast they can run the 40 from a set stance.

What matters is how quick they can tuck the ball and take their first two steps. How low their center of gravity is. A la hurts and Wilson are built like tanks from the waste down. That lets them get away from rip arm tackles and not just go down.

They fall in the love with the pure numbers and don't look how the players are built. Lance is a big dude but he's also evenly built all around. Prefer the shorter dudes with huge legs. They get away much easier and tend to be quicker on the scramble