Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by KowboyKiller:
UR GRANMA PLAYS HOARDERBACK

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by genus49:
That's one of my few issues with Kyle, he doesn't always trust players until they pass his test…but with Lance it's his own doing in a sense.

You made the evaluation to select him after that trade, you may not trust him to run the offense like Jimmy/Brock right away but is the risk/reward to using him more like a runner there? Clearly not and I think it was pretty obvious.

Looking back Trey actually had more success as a passer than a runner. The bulk of the drives ended on Trey's running.

Some people can point to Jalen Hurts and how the Eagles used him as a runner first then let him develop(Altho it seems like they didn't even know they were doing that considering they tried to trade for Wilson before last season) but Kyle exposed the kid to a lot of punishment early and now we may never see what he could've been here if Kyle just dialed up the same type of offense as he did with the other QBs and see if Trey can make it work.

Maybe it wouldn't have been as smooth, maybe it wouldn't have been exactly as how Kyle drew it up but maybe it would've still worked better than what we saw and Trey may have been able to stay healthy and actually develop as we wanted and then we could get the Trey as Kyle drew it up AND the extra playmaking ability.

Now we're going into it backwards…but maybe now Kyle will at least let him run the same type of offense.

Lots of unknowns and what ifs which is why I'm excited to see training camp get here.

The predraft evaluations put way to much emphasis on 40 times for quickness. I really don't care how fast they can run the 40 from a set stance.

What matters is how quick they can tuck the ball and take their first two steps. How low their center of gravity is. A la hurts and Wilson are built like tanks from the waste down. That lets them get away from rip arm tackles and not just go down.

They fall in the love with the pure numbers and don't look how the players are built. Lance is a big dude but he's also evenly built all around. Prefer the shorter dudes with huge legs. They get away much easier and tend to be quicker on the scramble

Tired of the stupid narrative that Lance is physically unquick. It's horse s**t.


His hangup with running is related to mental issues—most of which is related to experience. He came from a weak college conference in which he faced few top tier athletes, which led to a much slower game. If/when he gets enough reps to adjust, he'll be fine running.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by genus49:
That's one of my few issues with Kyle, he doesn't always trust players until they pass his test…but with Lance it's his own doing in a sense.

You made the evaluation to select him after that trade, you may not trust him to run the offense like Jimmy/Brock right away but is the risk/reward to using him more like a runner there? Clearly not and I think it was pretty obvious.

Looking back Trey actually had more success as a passer than a runner. The bulk of the drives ended on Trey's running.

Some people can point to Jalen Hurts and how the Eagles used him as a runner first then let him develop(Altho it seems like they didn't even know they were doing that considering they tried to trade for Wilson before last season) but Kyle exposed the kid to a lot of punishment early and now we may never see what he could've been here if Kyle just dialed up the same type of offense as he did with the other QBs and see if Trey can make it work.

Maybe it wouldn't have been as smooth, maybe it wouldn't have been exactly as how Kyle drew it up but maybe it would've still worked better than what we saw and Trey may have been able to stay healthy and actually develop as we wanted and then we could get the Trey as Kyle drew it up AND the extra playmaking ability.

Now we're going into it backwards…but maybe now Kyle will at least let him run the same type of offense.

Lots of unknowns and what ifs which is why I'm excited to see training camp get here.

The predraft evaluations put way to much emphasis on 40 times for quickness. I really don't care how fast they can run the 40 from a set stance.

What matters is how quick they can tuck the ball and take their first two steps. How low their center of gravity is. A la hurts and Wilson are built like tanks from the waste down. That lets them get away from rip arm tackles and not just go down.

They fall in the love with the pure numbers and don't look how the players are built. Lance is a big dude but he's also evenly built all around. Prefer the shorter dudes with huge legs. They get away much easier and tend to be quicker on the scramble

Tired of the stupid narrative that Lance is physically unquick. It's horse s**t.


His hangup with running is related to mental issues—most of which is related to experience. He came from a weak college conference in which he faced few top tier athletes, which led to a much slower game. If/when he gets enough reps to adjust, he'll be fine running.

Him getting crushed at the goal line by the cardinals was a rude awakening to all niner fans that he was neither the powerful or elusive athlete the niners thought they were getting. Posting a gif at the end of the game that was already over in a prevent defense does nothing to prove otherwise. Tired of the narrative theat Lance is a special athlete. We have seen nothing that would indicate he is special in any way in terms of athleticism.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by genus49:
That's one of my few issues with Kyle, he doesn't always trust players until they pass his test…but with Lance it's his own doing in a sense.

You made the evaluation to select him after that trade, you may not trust him to run the offense like Jimmy/Brock right away but is the risk/reward to using him more like a runner there? Clearly not and I think it was pretty obvious.

Looking back Trey actually had more success as a passer than a runner. The bulk of the drives ended on Trey's running.

Some people can point to Jalen Hurts and how the Eagles used him as a runner first then let him develop(Altho it seems like they didn't even know they were doing that considering they tried to trade for Wilson before last season) but Kyle exposed the kid to a lot of punishment early and now we may never see what he could've been here if Kyle just dialed up the same type of offense as he did with the other QBs and see if Trey can make it work.

Maybe it wouldn't have been as smooth, maybe it wouldn't have been exactly as how Kyle drew it up but maybe it would've still worked better than what we saw and Trey may have been able to stay healthy and actually develop as we wanted and then we could get the Trey as Kyle drew it up AND the extra playmaking ability.

Now we're going into it backwards…but maybe now Kyle will at least let him run the same type of offense.

Lots of unknowns and what ifs which is why I'm excited to see training camp get here.

The predraft evaluations put way to much emphasis on 40 times for quickness. I really don't care how fast they can run the 40 from a set stance.

What matters is how quick they can tuck the ball and take their first two steps. How low their center of gravity is. A la hurts and Wilson are built like tanks from the waste down. That lets them get away from rip arm tackles and not just go down.

They fall in the love with the pure numbers and don't look how the players are built. Lance is a big dude but he's also evenly built all around. Prefer the shorter dudes with huge legs. They get away much easier and tend to be quicker on the scramble

Tired of the stupid narrative that Lance is physically unquick. It's horse s**t.


His hangup with running is related to mental issues—most of which is related to experience. He came from a weak college conference in which he faced few top tier athletes, which led to a much slower game. If/when he gets enough reps to adjust, he'll be fine running.

what did Mark Schlereth say on this topic?

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Tired of the stupid narrative that Lance is physically unquick. It's horse s**t.


His hangup with running is related to mental issues—most of which is related to experience. He came from a weak college conference in which he faced few top tier athletes, which led to a much slower game. If/when he gets enough reps to adjust, he'll be fine running.

another question: can anyone name another QB who was regarded as a good runner, yet needs to work on the mental issues of running, to unlock his natural ability as a runner?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Tired of the stupid narrative that Lance is physically unquick. It's horse s**t.


His hangup with running is related to mental issues—most of which is related to experience. He came from a weak college conference in which he faced few top tier athletes, which led to a much slower game. If/when he gets enough reps to adjust, he'll be fine running.

another question: can anyone name another QB who was regarded as a good runner, yet needs to work on the mental issues of running, to unlock his natural ability as a runner?

Thays easy. That would be NOBODY

The argument is just so f**king stupid. Qbs who don't get the nuances of the game take off too early from the pocket because thats what they do instinctually. I've never seen a qb develop into a great runner. To argue that trey has a mental block that impedes his ability to be a great runner is desperate at best.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Tired of the stupid narrative that Lance is physically unquick. It's horse s**t.


His hangup with running is related to mental issues—most of which is related to experience. He came from a weak college conference in which he faced few top tier athletes, which led to a much slower game. If/when he gets enough reps to adjust, he'll be fine running.

another question: can anyone name another QB who was regarded as a good runner, yet needs to work on the mental issues of running, to unlock his natural ability as a runner?

Hmm idk if I'd say he will be just fine. Lol he has had a ton of injuries - I worry that if we keep running him, he will just keep getting hurt. We ran him ALOT. I don't think it's reasonable to assume he can survive an entire season doing that. So far he hasn't been able to get through 2 straight games doing that. I believe the finger was hit on a helmet as he passed the ball, which is just unlucky.

When I say I don't think he is quick or agile, I'm saying he isn't special. He's above average. If you compare him to guys like fields/Lamar - it isn't even close to who moves better. So i don't think it makes sense to try and build some unique scheme around him where he runs the ball all the time when his athleticism is good, but nothing special. I think you build that into an offense when a player offers a unique ability that's special and very difficult to stop. I think Lance is best suited to just scramble when a pass play breaks down - I don't think he has a special burst or agility that can help him blow through a line of scrimmage on designed runs.

you can't just plow through people in the NFL and that's what it seems like Lance does. I think he needs to get better at protecting himself and not try to be so physical when running the ball.

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Drives of first half

3 and out
Downs
Punt
Interception first pass of drive
Punt 4 play drive
Fg on a prevent defense in 38 seconds.

Not terrible.

Ok and how many yards did the offense have despite only scoring 3 points? Roughly around 169 but yeah he played so terrible. Try again

Lol
Yards???
who gives a s**t. That won't win games.

Let me see if I can understand this thread.

Some people thinks lance has sucked, some people thinks lance has looked good.
Some people can't handle either viewpoint.
Oh and a few are still whining and crying like 8th grade girls over jimmy playing here.
Pretty much sums it up.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Drives of first half

3 and out
Downs
Punt
Interception first pass of drive
Punt 4 play drive
Fg on a prevent defense in 38 seconds.

Not terrible.

Ok and how many yards did the offense have despite only scoring 3 points? Roughly around 169 but yeah he played so terrible. Try again

Lol
Yards???
who gives a s**t. That won't win games.

Let me see if I can understand this thread.

Some people thinks lance has sucked, some people thinks lance has looked good.
Some people can't handle either viewpoint.
Oh and a few are still whining and crying like 8th grade girls over jimmy playing here.
Pretty much sums it up.

Right. Lol

the team has not only benched him, but are taking first team reps from him in order to make him compete with a bust for QB2/3. He has minimal trade value while on a rookie scale contract with 3 years remaining. Reportedly, didn't really have any trade interest, but he played really well and showed so much promise. Lol when are some people going to realize he only had a few good plays and then the rest was pretty bad.

I will say it's surprising that they aren't even really letting him compete for QB1, or considering him for it, seeing as he's barely played. I get that, but I just don't get the whole "he's played really good ball" crowd. Lol when literally EVERYTHING says the opposite.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
Lol
Yards???
who gives a s**t. That won't win games.

Let me see if I can understand this thread.

Some people thinks lance has sucked, some people thinks lance has looked good.
Some people can't handle either viewpoint.
Oh and a few are still whining and crying like 8th grade girls over jimmy playing here.
Pretty much sums it up.

Oh f**k off I ain't whining or crying about Jimmy playing here I'm just defending Lance from so much criticism that Jimmy got a pass for for years when he was playing here. And yeah yards don't win games alone I've just been saying that Lance hasn't looked terrible. Does he need to score more points in games? Of course he does but the eye test shows that he hasn't played terribly. And if you think so then you need your eyes checked. He's not out there playing like Zach Wilson. The only time you could make a case in that he played poorly would be in the Seattle game his rookie year where he looked real shaky.

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
Lol
Yards???
who gives a s**t. That won't win games.

Let me see if I can understand this thread.

Some people thinks lance has sucked, some people thinks lance has looked good.
Some people can't handle either viewpoint.
Oh and a few are still whining and crying like 8th grade girls over jimmy playing here.
Pretty much sums it up.

Oh f**k off I ain't whining or crying about Jimmy playing here I'm just defending Lance from so much criticism that Jimmy got a pass for for years when he was playing here. And yeah yards don't win games alone I've just been saying that Lance hasn't looked terrible. Does he need to score more points in games? Of course he does but the eye test shows that he hasn't played terribly. And if you think so then you need your eyes checked. He's not out there playing like Zach Wilson. The only time you could make a case in that he played poorly would be in the Seattle game his rookie year where he looked real shaky.

Lol tells me to f**k off for saying a few people… didn't even say you.. but you assumed it.. tells it all I guess.
you sure are a bad ass dude!! 👍👍
🤣🤣🤣

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
Lol
Yards???
who gives a s**t. That won't win games.

Let me see if I can understand this thread.

Some people thinks lance has sucked, some people thinks lance has looked good.
Some people can't handle either viewpoint.
Oh and a few are still whining and crying like 8th grade girls over jimmy playing here.
Pretty much sums it up.

Oh f**k off I ain't whining or crying about Jimmy playing here I'm just defending Lance from so much criticism that Jimmy got a pass for for years when he was playing here. And yeah yards don't win games alone I've just been saying that Lance hasn't looked terrible. Does he need to score more points in games? Of course he does but the eye test shows that he hasn't played terribly. And if you think so then you need your eyes checked. He's not out there playing like Zach Wilson. The only time you could make a case in that he played poorly would be in the Seattle game his rookie year where he looked real shaky.

13-28-164-0-1

you can't make a case for that one? a guy who coached 40 years made a darn good case iirc

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Thays easy. That would be NOBODY

The argument is just so f**king stupid. Qbs who don't get the nuances of the game take off too early from the pocket because thats what they do instinctually. I've never seen a qb develop into a great runner. To argue that trey has a mental block that impedes his ability to be a great runner is desperate at best.

Steve Young says 'Hi".

Originally posted by tankle104:
Right. Lol

the team has not only benched him, but are taking first team reps from him in order to make him compete with a bust for QB2/3. He has minimal trade value while on a rookie scale contract with 3 years remaining. Reportedly, didn't really have any trade interest, but he played really well and showed so much promise. Lol when are some people going to realize he only had a few good plays and then the rest was pretty bad.

I will say it's surprising that they aren't even really letting him compete for QB1, or considering him for it, seeing as he's barely played. I get that, but I just don't get the whole "he's played really good ball" crowd. Lol when literally EVERYTHING says the opposite.

The team didn't bench him he got hurt. That's not benching him. Of course he has no trade value how would he have trade value? He's still an unknown but je has shown promise. He won a game with the playoffs on the line and made really good plays in that game. That's a lot of pressure for a guy making his second NFL start with barely any experience. He could've fumbled and played "poorly" and then boom no playoffs. But no he turned it around the second half and played good. Not great, but good. Trey hasn't had the benefit of playing in the second half of the season with Mccaffrey and Kittle for a nice stretch while the offense is rolling. Yeah he should've stayed healthy but it's hard when your coach is calling all these runs for you.

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Thays easy. That would be NOBODY

The argument is just so f**king stupid. Qbs who don't get the nuances of the game take off too early from the pocket because thats what they do instinctually. I've never seen a qb develop into a great runner. To argue that trey has a mental block that impedes his ability to be a great runner is desperate at best.

Steve Young says 'Hi".

I wasn't around for the Steve Young Bucs days in the creamcicles, but did he struggle as a runner due to mental block? If you look at his career yds per rush, it's pretty much the same for Tampa as it was for SF. He struggled as a passer, sure. Steve btw 5.9 career yds per rush, Bucs Steve 5.8, TL is 4.4.

Bizarre claim, the runners mental block,, and I've never seen that claim about any QB outside of this thread.