Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
"Similar" is pretty arbitrary
What are the percentages for each and where did each rank for that stat?

Jimmy G on 3rd down 2019:
69.23 comp percentage
101.9 rating
AY/A 7.5

Mullens on 3rd down in 2020:
57.5 Comp percentage
71.5 rating
4.85 AY/A

Almost identical I tell ya!

Didn't you just prove what NY said initially? He wrote, "Jimmy's 3rd down conversions are just as much to do with YAC and play calls as ability." Three yard difference in air yards per attempt coupled with a 5% increase in conversion rate. Both significant. Both seem to hinge on players other than JG alone (though JG is still integral--obviously)

Originally posted by Polkadots:
Didn't you just prove what NY said initially? He wrote, "Jimmy's 3rd down conversions are just as much to do with YAC and play calls as ability." Three yard difference in air yards per attempt coupled with a 5% increase in conversion rate. Both significant. Both seem to hinge on players other than JG alone (though JG is still integral--obviously)

As for AY/A, that's showing that Nick was throwing the ball much shorter than Jimmy was in 2019

As for YAC it is a function of the QB placing the ball in a place where the receiver is afforded the opportunity to create yards after the catch. Matt Ryan in 2016 also benefits from the most YAC in the league just like Jimmy last year...(FWIW, Nick was first in 2018 and 3rd in 2020 according to Football Outsiders). It's a characteristic of Kyle's scheme and it's a great thing.

Originally posted by Niners816:
Or is it a function of the QB placing the ball in a place where the receiver is afforded the opportunity to create yards after the catch. Matt Ryan in 2016 also benefits from the most YAC in the league just like Jimmy last year...(FWIW, Nick was first in 2018 and 3rd in 2020 according to Football Outsiders). It's a characteristic of Kyle's scheme and it's a great thing.

It's a combination of things. Of course you are right. But again, this all seems to confirm, not undermine, what NY wrote initially.

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by Niners816:
Or is it a function of the QB placing the ball in a place where the receiver is afforded the opportunity to create yards after the catch. Matt Ryan in 2016 also benefits from the most YAC in the league just like Jimmy last year...(FWIW, Nick was first in 2018 and 3rd in 2020 according to Football Outsiders). It's a characteristic of Kyle's scheme and it's a great thing.

It's a combination of things. Of course you are right. But again, this all seems to confirm, not undermine, what NY wrote initially.

I think Jimmy checks enough boxes at the QB position to keep the team on schedule. It allows the team to remain in games and keep the ground game a viable option. His play has allowed the team to be in a situation to converts 44% on 3rd which is a nice number for that situation (usually places you firmly in the top 10). When you add all of this up it has the offense under him scoring 28+ ppg which is also a strong number and over the last 4 years has represented a 6-7 ppg increase over the backups. Of course Jimmy isn't the only dude on the planet to be able to do this but he's the only guy we've had that could. I think Trey can eventually match and exceed these number. I'm just not that convinced it will be this year. I'd love to wrong though. In the end, I just want to win so I really don't care who does it.

Originally posted by Niners816:
I think Jimmy checks enough boxes at the QB position to keep the team on schedule. It allows the team to remain in games and keep the ground game a viable option. His play has allowed the team to be in a situation to converts 44% on 3rd which is a nice number for that situation (usually places you firmly in the top 10). When you add all of this up it has the offense under him scoring 28+ ppg which is also a strong number and over the last 4 years has represented a 6-7 ppg increase over the backups. Of course Jimmy isn't the only dude on the planet to be able to do this but he's the only guy we've had that could. I think Trey can eventually match and exceed these number. I'm just not that convinced it will be this year. I'd love to wrong though. In the end, I just want to win so I really don't care who does it.

Excellent post right here!

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
"Similar" is pretty arbitrary
What are the percentages for each and where did each rank for that stat?

Jimmy G on 3rd down 2019:
69.23 comp percentage
101.9 rating
AY/A 7.5

Mullens on 3rd down in 2020:
57.5 Comp percentage
71.5 rating
4.85 AY/A

Almost identical I tell ya!

Didn't you just prove what NY said initially? He wrote, "Jimmy's 3rd down conversions are just as much to do with YAC and play calls as ability." Three yard difference in air yards per attempt coupled with a 5% increase in conversion rate. Both significant. Both seem to hinge on players other than JG alone (though JG is still integral--obviously)

Trey is already a betting favorite for O rookie player of the year. Jimmy cement glass legs isn't good enough and everyone knows it.

Man you guys need to discuss Jimmy stuff in his thread. Keep that poison out of Lances thread

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Man you guys need to discuss Jimmy stuff in his thread. Keep that poison out of Lances thread

Exactly...take this bs to the jimmy g thread

This is a happy place

Is this guy ever going to sign his freakin rookie deal?

Can't wait for the Trey Lance era to begin, starting with seeing what he looks like in the preseason

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Can't wait for the Trey Lance era to begin, starting with seeing what he looks like in the preseason

I think the whole league is waiting on this also

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Who gives a s**t if a rookie QB hasn't won a super bowl before? Jimmy hasn't won a Super bowl either.

Fun fact: No QB that has won a Super Bowl had ever won a Super Bowl before their first time winning a Super Bowl.

Right so saying we have a better chance at winning a SB with Jimmy is in fact not a fact

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
You really think that 6 win team last year was our team and that what this roster can only acomplish ? lol

Jimmy a HOF ? did i really say or think that ? No i didn't, but he can def run the offense, keep the drives going and win you games.. already a fact

Lance hasn't done s**t !! lol but create hype and the imaginations of fans. Dude hasn't even played a snap in a long time, but some how he is Neo (matrix) already.

If JG gets hurt.. and lance comes in.. so be it. But Lance needs time under NFL tutelage .. everyone falls their first time

Well SF has only one winning season in 7 yrs. that's a fact.

alex Smith can run a offense, ryan Fitzpatrick can run a offense, Jared Goff and and Andy Dalton can run your offense all the same. That's a system QB not a play maker that makes s**t happen when we need it to happen.

only fact is Jimmy is better than 3 career backups….Jimmy didn't do s**t until he played an won his 5 games in SF. Guess he shouldn't have played when he got traded and had no clue what the playbook was…What's your point? Players gotta play to see what they can and can't do. Clearly kyle thinks he can play or he wouldn't have made one of the biggest trades in SF history.

NFL tutelage is such a dumb thing, what do you think he's been doing since October and has been doing since May in SF?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Who gives a s**t if a rookie QB hasn't won a super bowl before? Jimmy hasn't won a Super bowl either.

Fun fact: No QB that has won a Super Bowl had ever won a Super Bowl before their first time winning a Super Bowl.

Right so saying we have a better chance at winning a SB with Jimmy is in fact not a fact

Whoa whoa NY. Jimmy was actually in a SB..this is not just WZ what if's here.

Jimmy actually being one batted pass away from winning one vs no rookie has ever came close to a SB would actually give us a better chance with jimmy

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
I understand it fully.. Healthy or not if Mullens was completing 3rd downs like Jimmy.. we should have more points and more wins.

Coverting is converting

Both played with alomst the same team in 2020. which team looked better Mullens or Jimmy at QB ?

Neither looked good