Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by tankle104:
What I don't want, and it's what we've essentially had, is the offense as a whole has had to carry a ton of the weight and not screw up. Otherwise we are screwed.

it was the same way with Jimmy, we couldn't rely on him to carry the offense if the run game wasn't going or the defense wasn't on par. That was what I liked about Purdy, ni matter the situation, he thrived. When we were rolling, when the defense sucked against the raiders, in the playoffs against two huge rivals, when it was for the division on the road against a huge division rival while he was injured. It didn't matter - he showed up and showed out. If we can get that constantly, and stay healthy - there is no reason why we won't compete for it all every year and be the favorite in the NFC. At least for the next few years

I honestly believe if Kyle called plays in 19 & 21 like he did last year we would have won at least 1 SB. Last year he wasn't as hell bent on running to set up the pass. Kyle was a different play caller last year.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Like I said with Tankle. I would never expect either of you do actually be like yeah McNair I could see that and be good with that because it has to do with being positive about lance. Put McNair in todays league and his numbers would be much better.

2003 isn't 2023. Tom Brady had 3,600 yards for 23 TDs 12 INTs on 125 more passing attempts the same year. Dudes weren't throwing the ball as much back then. McCorkle had 120 MORE passing attempts than McNair in 2023. So save me the stale comparison without context shtick.

Lance doesn't have to be an elite passer to be a damn good QB in this league. Hurts is not an elite or even great passer.

LOL Iiterally said I can see him reaching McNair and/or McNabbs status. So I agreed with you about Lance being a guy like McNair. The difference is I don't see them as great.

EDIT: also while 2023 isnt 2003 McNair was still just 15th in passing the year he won the MVP.

He had offensive guru Jeff Fisher for a coach man. If Steve McNair was on our team with Shanahan at coach, and Griese (who seems to be very good at his job) as qb coach, and the weapons we have compared to those teams. I'd have to think he'd be much better than he was on a very unimaginative Oilers/Titans team.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I agree, people who have the strongest opinions about players with the least amount of data are the most biased.

As in, the posters who are consistently negative about Lance are the most biased.

Then it goes the posters who are negative about Purdy, then Sam, then Jimmy.

In that order.

The inverse is also true. But we have some data on the forum now that shows most people want Brock as QB1.

Probably because the argument extends beyond personal preference, or bias, and is actually supported with some level of evidence.

After reading the novel you posted to me yesterday, I think it's clear you don't intentionally misrepresent arguments... but you definitely struggle to understand them.

Having said that, I still want you to know I don't take these arguments personally. We can have knock down drag out arguments and I'm not walking away offended. I wish you and the family the best in dealing with your loss.

Thanks... my uncle was a huge 49ers fan. I wish he could have seen them win another one.

And yeah, it's entirely possible that I'm not understanding some of your arguments, or maybe I'm not wording mine well enough. Either way I'm not afraid to be wrong.

I'm just tired of people accusing me and some others of bias when most of the arguments we're, or at least I am making for Trey are neutral. Especially after years of watching people calling others "haters" for something as benign as criticizing tape.

Because my stance on Trey has remained consistent throughout. I liked him coming out of college due to his combination of tangibles and intangibles, I did not think he should be rewarded the job his rookie season if he didn't deserve it, I did not assume he would have played better than Jimmy that year if he had (although everyone else assumed the opposite), and I don't blame anyone for being skeptical of his ability now or pre-draft.

I also said, "I wouldn't say it's ideal if Trey is the future over Brock, because ultimately I want the better QB long term, regardless of their tools."

Meanwhile, it seems like every day this offseason someone would make some unsubstantiated claim about Trey or how the team feels about Trey and since Trey has yet to build up any equity with the fan base, no one really cares that much comparatively.

I'm not defending Trey the most because he's my "favorite" or that I feel like he's the best option for the future (Purdy is my QB of the future ATM), I'm defending him because he's been the easiest target of slander since he's only played a handful of games due to his injury in week 2 and everyone wants to say they know how the story ends... so to speak.

Even one of my best friends (Raiders fan) who hates the 49ers and never placates towards my personal beliefs said he's never seen 49ers fans be so cruel to a QB, ever. He said he's seen fans mock Alex, Jimmy, and Kaepernick but never like this situation with such little data.

Everyone's experience is different, I get that, I just hope we can debate on the merits each other's arguments because having to defend a position you don't hold is incredibly frustrating for me, which is why I try not to do it to others.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Thanks... my uncle was a huge 49ers fan. I wish he could have seen them win another one.

And yeah, it's entirely possible that I'm not understanding some of your arguments, or maybe I'm not wording mine well enough. Either way I'm not afraid to be wrong.

I'm just tired of people accusing me and some others of bias when most of the arguments we're, or at least I am making for Trey are neutral. Especially after years of watching people calling others "haters" for something as benign as criticizing tape.

Because my stance on Trey has remained consistent throughout. I liked him coming out of college due to his combination of tangibles and intangibles, I did not think he should be rewarded the job his rookie season if he didn't deserve it, I did not assume he would have played better than Jimmy that year if he had (although everyone else assumed the opposite), and I don't blame anyone for being skeptical of his ability now or pre-draft.

I also said, "I wouldn't say it's ideal if Trey is the future over Brock, because ultimately I want the better QB long term, regardless of their tools."

Meanwhile, it seems like every day this offseason someone would make some unsubstantiated claim about Trey or how the team feels about Trey and since Trey has yet to build up any equity with the fan base, no one really cares that much comparatively.

I'm not defending Trey the most because he's my "favorite" or that I feel like he's the best option for the future (Purdy is my QB of the future ATM), I'm defending him because he's been the easiest target of slander since he's only played a handful of games due to his injury in week 2 and everyone wants to say they know how the story ends... so to speak.

Even one of my best friends (Raiders fan) who hates the 49ers and never placates towards my personal beliefs said he's never seen 49ers fans be so cruel to a QB, ever. He said he's seen fans mock Alex, Jimmy, and Kaepernick but never like this situation with such little data.

Everyone's experience is different, I get that, I just hope we can debate on the merits each other's arguments because having to defend a position you don't hold is incredibly frustrating for me, which is why I try not to do it to others.

Interesting, most of my personal experiences with fans have been more so "I'm not that excited about Lance and never have been. Idk what we have but I don't feel great about it". Most of the more negative experiences I've had were from other fan bases just laughing at us taking him, which who cares.

i feel like the hate towards smith and jimmy were exponentially worse than what I've seen towards Trey. Honestly, in my experience on here and in person, it's nothing near what's said about Trey. Specifically Jimmy, people hated that man and everything he did, even though he did nothing but win. I get he had limitations but he also had good film.

so your experiences are yours, I'm not saying your wrong, just surprising. I've seen very few people on here irrationally hate on Lance, nothing like the irrational hate on jimmy, most have just been really disappointed with lances play - regardless of the excuse and never really liked the pick. Couple that with the fact we traded a lot to even move
up, Lance was always facing a massive uphill battle.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by genus49:
This is one thing you guys seem to struggle with...nobody is crowning Lance. Simply pointing out that saying he's a bust or can't improve after 4 starts in various situations is absolutely bonkers.

And yes the Houston game gives us arguably the best look at Lance for several reasons you guys love to throw aside because it's against Houston.

1. It was a must win game for us. We lose that game and we don't make the playoffs in 2021.
2. It was the one start he had with Kittle, Aiyuk when he wasn't in the doghouse and basically the wealth of weapons at his disposal.
3. It wasn't in crazy conditions
4. It was a game later in the season when the team was in a groove vs earlier in the season where we've struggled the last few seasons.

Also downplaying that game to "quarter and a half" is just pathetic when arguably his best passes came before the end of the first half.

But that's the trend here with Lance - if you're not a fan you're going to downplay everything he's done well and exaggerate the things he didn't do well.

Speaking of struggling with.... You say it's the best look at Lance because it was the best Lance looked. You did exactly what I was saying. You only use the HOU game. No one uses any other game but that one. Just like the Cowboys game is the only game people want to talk about as it relates to Brock. Posters use Trey's best game and Brock's worst game.

I personally don't dismiss it just because it was HOU. It's teh fact that We had 3 points in the middle of the 3rd QTR. Feel free to up his accomplishments from a quarter and a half to just a little over a half if you like. The point is, that offense didn't click til way into the game. right before the half or middle of the 3rd quarter is there really that big of a difference? I mean the monsoon was only for half a quarter and we are using that for a whole game so...

I use that game for the reasons I listed above.

You can use the Arizona game and Chicago games just make sure you use the things around them. The context to those games seem to get lost as "excuses"

As for the Chicago game the conditions were awful from the start, I've mentioned this many times and here you are again acting like only during the monsoon part of the game were the 49ers having an issue. Hell if anything pointing out that the heavy rain came late makes Lance seem better since when the rain wasn't as bad is when Trey looked his best.

End of the day we understood Trey wouldn't likely come out of the gate firing on all cylinders. Mahomes as good as he is sat 100% as a rookie until a meaningless game week 17 and certainly didn't look like the guy we know today. Brock also didn't have to play early as a rookie. He got his first big playing time vs Miami week 13.

Maybe if Brock played week 5 he'd look just as good or maybe he wouldn't be as good as he was later in the year. Trey we all know had a lot less game experience than Brock, his first start came week 5 vs a 5-0 team on the road missing the key players Brock got to play with last season.

We can look at those games but we have to look at them fairly.

And for me I'm 100% behind Brock. I just want to see both guys healthy and playing their best so we can have as much information as possible to make the best decision for the team now and long term. So I'm not out here downplaying him for the Dallas game. No QB looks perfect all the times. There are great defenses out there who will make great QBs look mortal. In the end Brock made the plays needed to be made in that game. That's not a knock on the kid.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Thanks... my uncle was a huge 49ers fan. I wish he could have seen them win another one.

And yeah, it's entirely possible that I'm not understanding some of your arguments, or maybe I'm not wording mine well enough. Either way I'm not afraid to be wrong.

I'm just tired of people accusing me and some others of bias when most of the arguments we're, or at least I am making for Trey are neutral. Especially after years of watching people calling others "haters" for something as benign as criticizing tape.

Because my stance on Trey has remained consistent throughout. I liked him coming out of college due to his combination of tangibles and intangibles, I did not think he should be rewarded the job his rookie season if he didn't deserve it, I did not assume he would have played better than Jimmy that year if he had (although everyone else assumed the opposite), and I don't blame anyone for being skeptical of his ability now or pre-draft.

I also said, "I wouldn't say it's ideal if Trey is the future over Brock, because ultimately I want the better QB long term, regardless of their tools."

Meanwhile, it seems like every day this offseason someone would make some unsubstantiated claim about Trey or how the team feels about Trey and since Trey has yet to build up any equity with the fan base, no one really cares that much comparatively.

I'm not defending Trey the most because he's my "favorite" or that I feel like he's the best option for the future (Purdy is my QB of the future ATM), I'm defending him because he's been the easiest target of slander since he's only played a handful of games due to his injury in week 2 and everyone wants to say they know how the story ends... so to speak.

Even one of my best friends (Raiders fan) who hates the 49ers and never placates towards my personal beliefs said he's never seen 49ers fans be so cruel to a QB, ever. He said he's seen fans mock Alex, Jimmy, and Kaepernick but never like this situation with such little data.

Everyone's experience is different, I get that, I just hope we can debate on the merits each other's arguments because having to defend a position you don't hold is incredibly frustrating for me, which is why I try not to do it to others.

Interesting, most of my personal experiences with fans have been more so "I'm not that excited about Lance and never have been. Idk what we have but I don't feel great about it". Most of the more negative experiences I've had were from other fan bases just laughing at us taking him, which who cares.

i feel like the hate towards smith and jimmy were exponentially worse than what I've seen towards Trey. Honestly, in my experience on here and in person, it's nothing near what's said about Trey. Specifically Jimmy, people hated that man and everything he did, even though he did nothing but win. I get he had limitations but he also had good film.

so your experiences are yours, I'm not saying your wrong, just surprising. I've seen very few people on here irrationally hate on Lance, nothing like the irrational hate on jimmy, most have just been really disappointed with lances play - regardless of the excuse and never really liked the pick.

Yeah, I've never seen someone say Trey is worth 2 first round picks, or that Trey is a top 10 QB, or that Kyle holds the offense back more than Trey, or that Kyle only wins because of Trey, or blame the defense or other parts of the team for losing a game with poor QB play by Trey, or that criticizing Trey's film means you're a hater.

I've seen fans mock Trey's hairline, or say he plays scared and has a scared look on his eye, I've seen fans say he should be a FB, I've seen fans say Trey could maybe compete for QB4, I've seen routinely used nicknames like Trey_ning wheels used to mock Trey, I saw multiple fans get excited when Trey was injured (Jimmy too), or post false information so often that no one cares to dispute it anymore.

I never thought it was fair to say Jimmy sucks or he's garbage, or that he was the only reason we didn't win a SB, he was a good QB and deserves his flowers, but ironically, a lot of the fans who were the most ruthless on Jimmy just so happened to be his biggest defenders over the years. The stereotypical emotional 49ers fan sided with Jimmy because he won, and hated him when he lost.

I never hated Jimmy, I was just critical of him. I wish posters were just critical of Trey. So while I 100% disagree your assessment, I respect your opinion anyway.

Originally posted by genus49:
I use that game for the reasons I listed above.

You can use the Arizona game and Chicago games just make sure you use the things around them. The context to those games seem to get lost as "excuses"

As for the Chicago game the conditions were awful from the start, I've mentioned this many times and here you are again acting like only during the monsoon part of the game were the 49ers having an issue. Hell if anything pointing out that the heavy rain came late makes Lance seem better since when the rain wasn't as bad is when Trey looked his best.

End of the day we understood Trey wouldn't likely come out of the gate firing on all cylinders. Mahomes as good as he is sat 100% as a rookie until a meaningless game week 17 and certainly didn't look like the guy we know today. Brock also didn't have to play early as a rookie. He got his first big playing time vs Miami week 13.

Maybe if Brock played week 5 he'd look just as good or maybe he wouldn't be as good as he was later in the year. Trey we all know had a lot less game experience than Brock, his first start came week 5 vs a 5-0 team on the road missing the key players Brock got to play with last season.

We can look at those games but we have to look at them fairly.

And for me I'm 100% behind Brock. I just want to see both guys healthy and playing their best so we can have as much information as possible to make the best decision for the team now and long term. So I'm not out here downplaying him for the Dallas game. No QB looks perfect all the times. There are great defenses out there who will make great QBs look mortal. In the end Brock made the plays needed to be made in that game. That's not a knock on the kid.

The rain came down throughout the game but it wasn't bad until the fourth. I personally think Trey looked terrible all game. There was nothing good about that game from the entire offense.

I think the rain is a valid excuse in the fourth, before that, I don't think it is. my biggest issue with using the rain is you draft someone like him because his physical skill set is suppose to give you an edge in those situations. His arm strength helps penetrate the wind/rain better than someone like Purdy. Then his running ability should add an extra element to make him even more difficult to stop in those situations. The offense managed what 3 points going into the fourth or so? That means we didn't move the ball at all. How is that good? Once the rain came down super hard, that's where I get his poor play. I also don't completely blame Lance, the offense just didn't play well and had poor chemistry/focus. Deebos fumble was huge too.

Outside of the fourth, the bears were dealing with the same conditions but had a far inferior team to ours but because their qb used his legs like he was drafted to, he figured out a way to score.

im not singling Lance out here but I'm super confused how you think he played well? He had some of the worst misses I've ever seen.

yeah, now we know his finger injury played a part in that and I understand that, but doesn't change the fact he played really bad. The other difficult part to this is that it isn't his only time playing like that. He did the same thing against the cards in his first start and that was perfect weather. Then he couldn't muster the offense to do anything, scoring wise till the third quarter against the Texans. I personally blame that on a qb, especially when two other guys played and were much more productive.

i don't believe it's telling of how Lance alwyas will be, I think it exemplifies how inexperienced he is running an offense productively. He needs to play a lot more, that goes for any qb that's inexperienced- not just Lance.

i just take issue with people acting like he played well when he only had a couple nice plays out of a 100 pass attempts and was mainly ineffective running the ball. That isn't good.

Im rooting for him and am excited about him and his new throwing motion/mechanics . I think he will make a big jump. I just don't understand how anyone has watched, then rewatched those games, and feel like he played well?
14 ppg, 55% completion percentage 2 TD 3 INT (both tds came against Houston. So he was scoreless in 2/3 games). The context to the games definitely matter and the weather was an issue in Chicago.

you realize only the colts & jags his rookie year (maybe one other team, dolphins? I think - all horrible teams that year) had worst offensive performances scoring wise against those Texans? That Texans team was horrific and he had a subpar showing when you really add context to it.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Thanks... my uncle was a huge 49ers fan. I wish he could have seen them win another one.

And yeah, it's entirely possible that I'm not understanding some of your arguments, or maybe I'm not wording mine well enough. Either way I'm not afraid to be wrong.

I'm just tired of people accusing me and some others of bias when most of the arguments we're, or at least I am making for Trey are neutral. Especially after years of watching people calling others "haters" for something as benign as criticizing tape.

Because my stance on Trey has remained consistent throughout. I liked him coming out of college due to his combination of tangibles and intangibles, I did not think he should be rewarded the job his rookie season if he didn't deserve it, I did not assume he would have played better than Jimmy that year if he had (although everyone else assumed the opposite), and I don't blame anyone for being skeptical of his ability now or pre-draft.

I also said, "I wouldn't say it's ideal if Trey is the future over Brock, because ultimately I want the better QB long term, regardless of their tools."

Meanwhile, it seems like every day this offseason someone would make some unsubstantiated claim about Trey or how the team feels about Trey and since Trey has yet to build up any equity with the fan base, no one really cares that much comparatively.

I'm not defending Trey the most because he's my "favorite" or that I feel like he's the best option for the future (Purdy is my QB of the future ATM), I'm defending him because he's been the easiest target of slander since he's only played a handful of games due to his injury in week 2 and everyone wants to say they know how the story ends... so to speak.

Even one of my best friends (Raiders fan) who hates the 49ers and never placates towards my personal beliefs said he's never seen 49ers fans be so cruel to a QB, ever. He said he's seen fans mock Alex, Jimmy, and Kaepernick but never like this situation with such little data.

Everyone's experience is different, I get that, I just hope we can debate on the merits each other's arguments because having to defend a position you don't hold is incredibly frustrating for me, which is why I try not to do it to others.

Interesting, most of my personal experiences with fans have been more so "I'm not that excited about Lance and never have been. Idk what we have but I don't feel great about it". Most of the more negative experiences I've had were from other fan bases just laughing at us taking him, which who cares.

i feel like the hate towards smith and jimmy were exponentially worse than what I've seen towards Trey. Honestly, in my experience on here and in person, it's nothing near what's said about Trey. Specifically Jimmy, people hated that man and everything he did, even though he did nothing but win. I get he had limitations but he also had good film.

so your experiences are yours, I'm not saying your wrong, just surprising. I've seen very few people on here irrationally hate on Lance, nothing like the irrational hate on jimmy, most have just been really disappointed with lances play - regardless of the excuse and never really liked the pick.

Yeah, I've never seen someone say Trey is worth 2 first round picks, or that Trey is a top 10 QB, or that Kyle holds the offense back more than Trey, or that Kyle only wins because of Trey, or blame the defense or other parts of the team for losing a game with poor QB play by Trey, or that criticizing Trey's film means you're a hater.

I've seen fans mock Trey's hairline, or say he plays scared and has a scared look on his eye, I've seen fans say he should be a FB, I've seen fans say Trey could maybe compete for QB4, I've seen routinely used nicknames like Trey_ning wheels used to mock Trey, I saw multiple fans get excited when Trey was injured (Jimmy too), or post false information so often that no one cares to dispute it anymore.

I never thought it was fair to say Jimmy sucks or he's garbage, or that he was the only reason we didn't win a SB, he was a good QB and deserves his flowers, but ironically, a lot of the fans who were the most ruthless on Jimmy just so happened to be his biggest defenders over the years. The stereotypical emotional 49ers fan sided with Jimmy because he won, and hated him when he lost.

I never hated Jimmy, I was just critical of him. I wish posters were just critical of Trey. So while I 100% disagree your assessment, I respect your opinion anyway.

I'm not saying fans don't bash him. Of course they do and is a lot of it unwarranted? Probably. I think that goes for jimmy too. I'm speaking to irrational opinions.

i feel like it's a stretch to say he's treated way more unfairly than any other qb has. It reminds me of people saying trump has been treated worse than any president in history, like they forgot how the Obama's were treated - and they didn't go out fighting and bringing a bunch of crap upon themselves. (Btw I'm not speaking to any one's politics, just using it as an example).

and I'm not directing any of this at you, Waterbear. Just in general.

i think Trey has had unfair criticism, and a lot of things have been said about him off the field that isn't warranted. It's just in my experience I haven't seen it as bad as jimmy, from an irrational standpoint (meaning extreme).

im definitely critical of Trey, that's no secret, but I try to keep it to his game and factual. If it isn't factual I try to make sure it's known it's my opinion. Trey is obviously a great kid.

Regarding his hairline. I was surprised some were clowning on him balding. I was making jokes about his haircut, not that he was balding. I try not to make fun of things that can't be controlled. But I joke around about haircuts all the time even in person with friends, so I wasn't going at him personally.

i get what you're saying, in no way are you wrong cause it's your experiences and interpretations of comments. I just thought it was interesting cause that hasn't been my experience/interpretations.

as a whole, many of us can do better when it comes to criticizing players in general.

Originally posted by krizay:
I honestly believe if Kyle called plays in 19 & 21 like he did last year we would have won at least 1 SB. Last year he wasn't as hell bent on running to set up the pass. Kyle was a different play caller last year.

Having a QB he can trust will do that

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by krizay:
I honestly believe if Kyle called plays in 19 & 21 like he did last year we would have won at least 1 SB. Last year he wasn't as hell bent on running to set up the pass. Kyle was a different play caller last year.

Having a QB he can trust will do that

That's part of it for sure, but I also feel like Kyle didn't trust his offensive line as much last year to make holes in the run game. 2022 was probably Kyle's worst run blocking season. I'm not sure if that's actually true or how you would quantify that but it seems accurate to me due to the inexperience on the interior OL.

Originally posted by tankle104:
I'd argue that the Raiders game was put on his shoulders and he came through. The defense was Swiss cheese that game and Brock/the offense had to carry the game. I agree that Kyle was doing a great job play calling/scheming but Brock did an awesome job executing.

im not expecting for Trey to overtake Purdy in camp. I'm just hoping Trey shows improvement and stays healthy. If that happens, he will work himself onto the field in at least those trick packages that he saw in his rookie year - except maybe this time he will throw more in them.

if Trey can have a really good camp and show growth, he will put pressure on Purdy and can shorten his leash. He also can put himself in a prime position to start if Brock gets hurt.

i think without a doubt some would be crowning Lance if he played the way Brock did. I also think it would be fair. Lol I don't think there is anything wrong with crowning a year player after playing at a very high level and winning all their games. It's one thing to Play like Pickett did last season and win some games and then it's another to play like Purdy did and win all his games. Purdy didn't do it alone but he also was a huge contributor. I know I'd be all over Lance if he did what Purdy did.

I don't want to take anything from Brock, but the Raiders game was a shootout against a Swiss cheese D, Brock still got it done, but that's not what I'm saying as a test he's still to pass.

The annoying thing is that I think both the Eagles and if we won the Chiefs would have given so much information that we were robbed of getting. The same way we've been robbed of seeing what Trey could be.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
To me it's simple are you a guy that will light up a Defence no matter the coverage and have them feel like they can't stop you? Mahomes can, Allen has games like it, Burrow can, Herbert has shown the potential to and Hurts did for a stretch last year.

For anyone else to step into that realm they need to be able to be on the otherside of that and match them. The rules are just so skewed to the offence that sometimes that's the only way to compete with them.

A problem of that is that it's likely that the pretty much the only times you'll find out is in the Superbowl

BUT is it possible to show you are that guy if you play for a coach that likes to run the ball and call plays based off of your running. Then when running doesn't work the offense is stuck.

Last year to me was the 1st time we saw Kyle change up his attack. I actually believe it started before CMC but the attack was more pronounced after CMC. He didn't seem stuck on forcing the run and both JG and BP thrived

No, I don't think it is and that's not Brock's fault, all he can do is execute what he's asked to. We'll get an idea this year, but it might not be until the Superbowl, depending on how well Burrow & Hurts play against us.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I'd argue that the Raiders game was put on his shoulders and he came through. The defense was Swiss cheese that game and Brock/the offense had to carry the game. I agree that Kyle was doing a great job play calling/scheming but Brock did an awesome job executing.

im not expecting for Trey to overtake Purdy in camp. I'm just hoping Trey shows improvement and stays healthy. If that happens, he will work himself onto the field in at least those trick packages that he saw in his rookie year - except maybe this time he will throw more in them.

if Trey can have a really good camp and show growth, he will put pressure on Purdy and can shorten his leash. He also can put himself in a prime position to start if Brock gets hurt.

i think without a doubt some would be crowning Lance if he played the way Brock did. I also think it would be fair. Lol I don't think there is anything wrong with crowning a year player after playing at a very high level and winning all their games. It's one thing to Play like Pickett did last season and win some games and then it's another to play like Purdy did and win all his games. Purdy didn't do it alone but he also was a huge contributor. I know I'd be all over Lance if he did what Purdy did.

I don't want to take anything from Brock, but the Raiders game was a shootout against a Swiss cheese D, Brock still got it done, but that's not what I'm saying as a test he's still to pass.

The annoying thing is that I think both the Eagles and if we won the Chiefs would have given so much information that we were robbed of getting. The same way we've been robbed of seeing what Trey could be.

It's super frustrating to not be able to see Brock or Lance in the moments/situations that we need/want, I agree. Lol I just want to know if either are what we think they can be already lol

that wasn't a great defense of the raiders butI think it's great data to have that in those situations, he came throughall game. It's nice to know that at least against bad teams he can be trusted to put the team on his back

https://youtu.be/BPLEl_8iUFY
damn, go to the 4:45 Mark.

MJD said that he has friends on the roster and front office that he said weren't too high on him.
MJD said "I haven't seen no game with Trey Lance where I thought there was some talent. I have a lot of homeboys that still play for the 49ers and in the front office (he wouldn't say names), they didn't tell him that he didn't have it, but they wouldn't say he did have "it"."

interesting, obviously this doesn't mean much but interesting he's hearing that.

edit: I think it's lesean McCoy lol

TL nugget here from the Iron sharpens Iron QB edition:

"Carta-Samuels talks a lot about the direction a quarterback is leaning when he throws, explaining, "It has to do with body weight. So like, if I'm leaning to the right, to my throwing side, while I'm throwing the ball, I'm increasing the weight that I have on my back foot, and the throw is a turn, not a push. So as I'm leaning right and turning through that back foot...you'll feel that foot chew the ground up a little bit. And that, in and of itself, is ground force...That's taking power from the ground, whereas Trey has been so high forever, and you can see it in everything he does, so he's so light that there's nothing happening in the ground. And he's starting to get a little bit of that. That's what's starting to change. But before, 150% arm-based thrower all the time. And then, he admitted it in his interview the other day when he was like, 'I was throwing, throwing, throwing, throwing' because he was trying to get a better feel for it, not understanding that you have to work smarter, bud, not harder."

https://www.ninersnation.com/2023/5/26/23738380/49ers-news-trey-lance-brock-purdy-sam-darnold-quarterback-offseason-otas-glimpse-charted-throws-nfl