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Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by genus49:
Not gonna lie I'm not reading all that but the bold part is exactly the over the top exaggeration about Trey that I'm talking about happening.

I posted tweets/vids from before kickoff earlier in this thread, if you care you can find them. The field was soaked before the opening kickoff. Footing was an issue, the ball even during the moments where the rain wasn't coming down super hard would be wet from touching the ground before the snap.

Both QBs clearly struggled with throws, especially quick ones.

49ers had 3 new starters on the IOL, 3 nfl starts between all of them. Trent Williams had his worst game of the year and had a 5th round rookie have a career game against him and call him out for tipping plays.

Our starting RB got injured in the first half.

Yet you think Lance didn't play well all game…

first drive. Trey 2/2 for 37 yards and converts a 3rd down running. Deebo fumbles in the red one.

Trey led the team in rushing and had several big time throws that are likely TDs if not for the footing on the field. Both McCloud and Jennings couldn't stay in bounds on that field.

You had Trey making big time plays like the anticipation throw to Aiyuk on which they ruled OPI but he still made the throw. Then picked up a 3rd and 13 running.

It was not a pretty game but claiming he didn't do anything well is a joke. PFF even had him charted as having the highest big time throws of all QBs week 1 and you can argue about it being skewed cuz he didn't have a ton of attempts but given the conditions and play of our OL that's still far from "looking terrible all game"

So no matter how you want to spin "I'm not hating on Trey" your posts pain a different picture since you're definitely bending over backwards to make it sound like he played worse than he did.

How is it an exaggeration? Honestly? Less than 50% completion? 0 touchdowns 1 int? Multiple wide open misses?
If you're going to sit here and say he had like 3/4 good
Throws and that's a good game, then you're the one exaggerating.

i love how one qb, on the extremely inferior team figured it out, but Trey didn't have a bad game. Let's just say he had an okay game. The other two starts weren't good either. I've said it a million times - in 12 quarters of play, he's lead the offense to a touchdown in 1.5 of it? Complete half his passes in a very favorable offense?

Blows my mind how some people watch those games and think he did good. It's fantasy land. Either that or you and I have drastically different views Of a good game because in nearly every single metric league wide across lances three games - he is near the bottom of the league.there Is literally no statistic you can point out that Trey did well in across his three games?

was he accurate? No
did he score touchdowns? No
did he convert most 3rd down conversions? No
Did he turn the ball over every game? Yes
So on and so forth. Taking a couple nice passes and trying to say that's a good game is weird and nonsense, unless your bar for a good game is ridiculously low.

Justin Fields didn't "figure it out", lol. This is precisely the trouble with the small sample size we've gotten from Trey. I suppose if Fields had as small a size everyone would anoint him the next great thing. The one thing every single quarterback that has ever played in the NFL has in common is that all of them are capable of having a great day or a bad day. I remember when Randall Cunningham made Steve Young look like Tim Tebow, one year, right before Steve won the Super Bowl. Stop it with that.

That's what im saying though. Im not saying Trey is a bad qb and will always be a bad QB. Geidi is sayin trey didn't play bad and I'm exaggerating by saying that. I'm saying Trey did play bad in 2/3 of his games and at best, okay in the Texans game. Not that he is a bust. Not that he will always play bad, but those weren't good performances.

there is a difference and I don't like being told I'm exaggerating over that nonsense. I'm rooting for Trey, even if I don't have the same confidence others do. I've watched his film many times to make sure I'm not being emotional about it. It's just the reality of his few starts and it's fine, but don't lie about it
[ Edited by tankle104 on May 26, 2023 at 7:05 PM ]
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by genus49:
Not gonna lie I'm not reading all that but the bold part is exactly the over the top exaggeration about Trey that I'm talking about happening.

I posted tweets/vids from before kickoff earlier in this thread, if you care you can find them. The field was soaked before the opening kickoff. Footing was an issue, the ball even during the moments where the rain wasn't coming down super hard would be wet from touching the ground before the snap.

Both QBs clearly struggled with throws, especially quick ones.

49ers had 3 new starters on the IOL, 3 nfl starts between all of them. Trent Williams had his worst game of the year and had a 5th round rookie have a career game against him and call him out for tipping plays.

Our starting RB got injured in the first half.

Yet you think Lance didn't play well all game…

first drive. Trey 2/2 for 37 yards and converts a 3rd down running. Deebo fumbles in the red one.

Trey led the team in rushing and had several big time throws that are likely TDs if not for the footing on the field. Both McCloud and Jennings couldn't stay in bounds on that field.

You had Trey making big time plays like the anticipation throw to Aiyuk on which they ruled OPI but he still made the throw. Then picked up a 3rd and 13 running.

It was not a pretty game but claiming he didn't do anything well is a joke. PFF even had him charted as having the highest big time throws of all QBs week 1 and you can argue about it being skewed cuz he didn't have a ton of attempts but given the conditions and play of our OL that's still far from "looking terrible all game"

So no matter how you want to spin "I'm not hating on Trey" your posts pain a different picture since you're definitely bending over backwards to make it sound like he played worse than he did.

How is it an exaggeration? Honestly? Less than 50% completion? 0 touchdowns 1 int? Multiple wide open misses?
If you're going to sit here and say he had like 3/4 good
Throws and that's a good game, then you're the one exaggerating.

i love how one qb, on the extremely inferior team figured it out, but Trey didn't have a bad game. Let's just say he had an okay game. The other two starts weren't good either. I've said it a million times - in 12 quarters of play, he's lead the offense to a touchdown in 1.5 of it? Complete half his passes in a very favorable offense?

Blows my mind how some people watch those games and think he did good. It's fantasy land. Either that or you and I have drastically different views Of a good game because in nearly every single metric league wide across lances three games - he is near the bottom of the league.there Is literally no statistic you can point out that Trey did well in across his three games?

was he accurate? No
did he score touchdowns? No
did he convert most 3rd down conversions? No
Did he turn the ball over every game? Yes
So on and so forth. Taking a couple nice passes and trying to say that's a good game is weird and nonsense, unless your bar for a good game is ridiculously low.

Justin Fields didn't "figure it out", lol. This is precisely the trouble with the small sample size we've gotten from Trey. I suppose if Fields had as small a size everyone would anoint him the next great thing. The one thing every single quarterback that has ever played in the NFL has in common is that all of them are capable of having a great day or a bad day. I remember when Randall Cunningham made Steve Young look like Tim Tebow, one year, right before Steve won the Super Bowl. Stop it with that.

Umm, no Randal didn't make Steve look like anything. Reggie White and that Eagles defense made Steve look bad. That was brutal, they just couldn't protect him.
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by genus49:
Not gonna lie I'm not reading all that but the bold part is exactly the over the top exaggeration about Trey that I'm talking about happening.

I posted tweets/vids from before kickoff earlier in this thread, if you care you can find them. The field was soaked before the opening kickoff. Footing was an issue, the ball even during the moments where the rain wasn't coming down super hard would be wet from touching the ground before the snap.

Both QBs clearly struggled with throws, especially quick ones.

49ers had 3 new starters on the IOL, 3 nfl starts between all of them. Trent Williams had his worst game of the year and had a 5th round rookie have a career game against him and call him out for tipping plays.

Our starting RB got injured in the first half.

Yet you think Lance didn't play well all game…

first drive. Trey 2/2 for 37 yards and converts a 3rd down running. Deebo fumbles in the red one.

Trey led the team in rushing and had several big time throws that are likely TDs if not for the footing on the field. Both McCloud and Jennings couldn't stay in bounds on that field.

You had Trey making big time plays like the anticipation throw to Aiyuk on which they ruled OPI but he still made the throw. Then picked up a 3rd and 13 running.

It was not a pretty game but claiming he didn't do anything well is a joke. PFF even had him charted as having the highest big time throws of all QBs week 1 and you can argue about it being skewed cuz he didn't have a ton of attempts but given the conditions and play of our OL that's still far from "looking terrible all game"

So no matter how you want to spin "I'm not hating on Trey" your posts pain a different picture since you're definitely bending over backwards to make it sound like he played worse than he did.

How is it an exaggeration? Honestly? Less than 50% completion? 0 touchdowns 1 int? Multiple wide open misses?
If you're going to sit here and say he had like 3/4 good
Throws and that's a good game, then you're the one exaggerating.

i love how one qb, on the extremely inferior team figured it out, but Trey didn't have a bad game. Let's just say he had an okay game. The other two starts weren't good either. I've said it a million times - in 12 quarters of play, he's lead the offense to a touchdown in 1.5 of it? Complete half his passes in a very favorable offense?

Blows my mind how some people watch those games and think he did good. It's fantasy land. Either that or you and I have drastically different views Of a good game because in nearly every single metric league wide across lances three games - he is near the bottom of the league.there Is literally no statistic you can point out that Trey did well in across his three games?

was he accurate? No
did he score touchdowns? No
did he convert most 3rd down conversions? No
Did he turn the ball over every game? Yes
So on and so forth. Taking a couple nice passes and trying to say that's a good game is weird and nonsense, unless your bar for a good game is ridiculously low.

Justin Fields didn't "figure it out", lol. This is precisely the trouble with the small sample size we've gotten from Trey. I suppose if Fields had as small a size everyone would anoint him the next great thing. The one thing every single quarterback that has ever played in the NFL has in common is that all of them are capable of having a great day or a bad day. I remember when Randall Cunningham made Steve Young look like Tim Tebow, one year, right before Steve won the Super Bowl. Stop it with that.

Umm, no Randal didn't make Steve look like anything. Reggie White and that Eagles defense made Steve look bad. That was brutal, they just couldn't protect him.

Ahh, cue the Stevexcuses.

jk
[ Edited by SLCNiner on May 26, 2023 at 10:08 PM ]
CMC in not so many words said he doesn't care who the QB is.he said he knows nothing about the QB position and is just going to focus on getting open and doing his job. He said all 3 guys are great.
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by genus49:
Not gonna lie I'm not reading all that but the bold part is exactly the over the top exaggeration about Trey that I'm talking about happening.

I posted tweets/vids from before kickoff earlier in this thread, if you care you can find them. The field was soaked before the opening kickoff. Footing was an issue, the ball even during the moments where the rain wasn't coming down super hard would be wet from touching the ground before the snap.

Both QBs clearly struggled with throws, especially quick ones.

49ers had 3 new starters on the IOL, 3 nfl starts between all of them. Trent Williams had his worst game of the year and had a 5th round rookie have a career game against him and call him out for tipping plays.

Our starting RB got injured in the first half.

Yet you think Lance didn't play well all game…

first drive. Trey 2/2 for 37 yards and converts a 3rd down running. Deebo fumbles in the red one.

Trey led the team in rushing and had several big time throws that are likely TDs if not for the footing on the field. Both McCloud and Jennings couldn't stay in bounds on that field.

You had Trey making big time plays like the anticipation throw to Aiyuk on which they ruled OPI but he still made the throw. Then picked up a 3rd and 13 running.

It was not a pretty game but claiming he didn't do anything well is a joke. PFF even had him charted as having the highest big time throws of all QBs week 1 and you can argue about it being skewed cuz he didn't have a ton of attempts but given the conditions and play of our OL that's still far from "looking terrible all game"

So no matter how you want to spin "I'm not hating on Trey" your posts pain a different picture since you're definitely bending over backwards to make it sound like he played worse than he did.

How is it an exaggeration? Honestly? Less than 50% completion? 0 touchdowns 1 int? Multiple wide open misses?
If you're going to sit here and say he had like 3/4 good
Throws and that's a good game, then you're the one exaggerating.

i love how one qb, on the extremely inferior team figured it out, but Trey didn't have a bad game. Let's just say he had an okay game. The other two starts weren't good either. I've said it a million times - in 12 quarters of play, he's lead the offense to a touchdown in 1.5 of it? Complete half his passes in a very favorable offense?

Blows my mind how some people watch those games and think he did good. It's fantasy land. Either that or you and I have drastically different views Of a good game because in nearly every single metric league wide across lances three games - he is near the bottom of the league.there Is literally no statistic you can point out that Trey did well in across his three games?

was he accurate? No
did he score touchdowns? No
did he convert most 3rd down conversions? No
Did he turn the ball over every game? Yes
So on and so forth. Taking a couple nice passes and trying to say that's a good game is weird and nonsense, unless your bar for a good game is ridiculously low.

You're either being dense on purpose or it comes natural to you with this post.

I have spelled it out repeatedly saying that my issue is people like you going over the top bashing Trey and disregarding the good plays he's put on tape.

That isn't saying "Trey played great"

Your counter to me saying people exaggerate how poorly Trey played is to say "He was terrible the WHOLE GAME"

i don't know how to explain this to you but whole game means he had no good plays. That's an exaggeration! He did. You bringing up his box score and ignoring all the context from that game is incredibly ignorant. And as mentioned before Fields didn't figure out a damn thing. He made 3 throws that game. 2 of them were wide ass open and both happened to be for TDs.

As I pointed out AGAIN the 49ers overall struggled more than the Bears with the weather. Unless you want to pretend the Bears OT is better than Trent Williams as well?

Fun fact if the 49ers don't go crazy with awful penalties then Fields ends up with 0 TDs and like 60 yards passing in that game, if that.

The weather was worst in the 4th quarter. Go look how many passes Fields threw in the 4th and how many Trey threw.

Or just keep your head in the sand screaming Lance did nothing well.
Originally posted by frenchmov:
Originally posted by tankle104:
What I don't understand is this:

everyone agrees that jimmy had a god awful game against the broncos this year. We put up 10 points and lost a game we should have won.

Jimmy threw 62% 1 TD & 1 INT with 211 yards. Offense scored 10 pts.

He had a bad game, no doubt. Yet that's essentially treys stats in 2/3 of his starts but with 10-12% higher completion percentage and a touchdown. Offense couldn't put up more than 10 and he turned the ball over (same as with trey). That's almost identical to 2/3 of lances starts but with a higher completion % and a touchdown. Yet jimmy had a bad game and Trey didn't? Trey didn't put up essentially any points against the worst defense in football (Texans) until midway through the third but he had a good game? Which every team they played but 3 put up more points on them than we did

i believe trey will become a much better quarterback than this small sample size but people acting like he had good games is mind boggling. Have 4-5 nice passes in a game isn't good. Not scoring isn't good. Not completing passes isn't good. Turning over the ball isn't good. I honestly just don't get it and it's annoying when someone says I'm exaggerating about it?

All I can say about that game is jimmy had an off-season of nothing, then thrown into Seahawks game & has to start the next week. Not making excuses but that was essentially still preseason mode for him.

Now he's a vet and all those things but still

Are you guys for real???

Offseason of nothing. He was a vet going into his 9th NFL season and 6th with this team and having the same offense here.

He got "thrown into the Seahawks game" a team he's never seen before? In an offense he's never played in before?

I do believe the words were "it's like riding a bike" cuz he did well vs Seattle.

But cuz he played like ass vs Denver it was an offseason of nothing? Adrian Peterson came back from an ACL injury and an offseason of nothing to run for 2k.

And tinkle wants to know why Jimmy played poorly??? He's a Vet! Lance has a fraction of his experience, they should not be evaluated on the same level. Jimmy's decision making should be WAY better and yet the guy brings up the box score again which doesn't list all the context to a game.

Jimmy was absolute dog ass in that Denver game. Awful interception, awful fumble, inexcusable safety running out of the endzone and then throwing a pick 6 which got wiped away.

Lance's interceptions have all been due to poor mechanics or inexperience. He never made the wrong read, missed a player or threw into triple coverage like Jimmy did in the Denver game. Acting cuz the box score is similar that they were similar games is more proof of the BS Trey gets.
[ Edited by genus49 on May 27, 2023 at 4:15 AM ]
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Justin Fields didn't "figure it out", lol. This is precisely the trouble with the small sample size we've gotten from Trey. I suppose if Fields had as small a size everyone would anoint him the next great thing. The one thing every single quarterback that has ever played in the NFL has in common is that all of them are capable of having a great day or a bad day. I remember when Randall Cunningham made Steve Young look like Tim Tebow, one year, right before Steve won the Super Bowl. Stop it with that.

If people just had Fields' first 4 starts for an evaluation like Trey does it would not be pretty. His first 4 starts were bad and that includes his rushing yards.

Some of these dudes claiming Fields figured it out in the rain also overlook that Fields had 10 starts as a rookie and a lot more experience at one of the top colleges in the country.
Originally posted by JTB1974:
CMC in not so many words said he doesn't care who the QB is.he said he knows nothing about the QB position and is just going to focus on getting open and doing his job. He said all 3 guys are great.

CMC was almost the qb. Lmao so I hope he knows something about the position.
Originally posted by genus49:
Are you guys for real???

Offseason of nothing. He was a vet going into his 9th NFL season and 6th with this team and having the same offense here.

He got "thrown into the Seahawks game" a team he's never seen before? In an offense he's never played in before?

I do believe the words were "it's like riding a bike" cuz he did well vs Seattle.

But cuz he played like ass vs Denver it was an offseason of nothing? Adrian Peterson came back from an ACL injury and an offseason of nothing to run for 2k.

And tinkle wants to know why Jimmy played poorly??? He's a Vet! Lance has a fraction of his experience, they should not be evaluated on the same level. Jimmy's decision making should be WAY better and yet the guy brings up the box score again which doesn't list all the context to a game.

Jimmy was absolute dog ass in that Denver game. Awful interception, awful fumble, inexcusable safety running out of the endzone and then throwing a pick 6 which got wiped away.

Lance's interceptions have all been due to poor mechanics or inexperience. He never made the wrong read, missed a player or threw into triple coverage like Jimmy did in the Denver game. Acting cuz the box score is similar that they were similar games is more proof of the BS Trey gets.

Lance has 1% of the experience of every qb in the league. The guy has 500 pass attempts in his entire life, to date.

it doesn't matter what the excuses are for any game for any player, either they play good or they don't. Lance hasn't had a single game where he played good as a whole. He hasn't put together 4 quarters of good play, it's just a fact.

idk why you're so defensive over this? I'm not saying he'll be a bad qb or he is a bust. I'm saying the games he has played in weren't good performances. That's all. To say anything else is just non sense. If you genuinely believe he played well then I could go out there and you'd think I played great.

trey has a great physical skill set and potential but he hasn't displayed it like a 3rd overall pick. He's played like he was pick 262. It's fine, he needs experience because he's probably the most inexperienced/raw qb ever taken this high in a draft.

thinking otherwise is just being a homer and wearing rose colored lenses. All he's had is a handful of nice passes but he hasn't put together a good performance from Q1-Q4. I'm hoping he will when he plays next.
[ Edited by tankle104 on May 27, 2023 at 4:53 AM ]
Originally posted by tankle104:
Lance has 1% of the experience of every qb in the league. The guy has 500 pass attempts in his entire life, to date.

it doesn't matter what the excuses are for any game for any player, either they play good or they don't. Lance hasn't had a single game where he played good as a whole. He hasn't put together 4 quarters of good play, it's just a fact.

idk why you're so defensive over this? I'm not saying he'll be a bad qb or he is a bust. I'm saying the games he has played in weren't good performances. That's all. To say anything else is just non sense. If you genuinely believe he played well then I could go out there and you'd think I played great.

trey has a great physical skill set and potential but he hasn't displayed it like a 3rd overall pick. He's played like he was pick 262. It's fine, he needs experience because he's probably the most inexperienced/raw qb ever taken this high in a draft.

thinking otherwise is just being a homer and wearing rose colored lenses. All he's had is a handful of nice passes but he hasn't put together a good performance from Q1-Q4. I'm hoping he will when he plays next.

It's literally spelled out for you man. You just choose to ignore it.

Maybe it's personal thought process on QB evaluations. It seems like you have no consideration for context within a game, QB's youth or experience level - as you earlier compared Jimmy G's play vs Denver to Trey's usual game.

Where I stand is given Trey's inexperience I'm looking for him to show he's not scared of this game. I'm looking for him to show he's not so to speak seeing ghosts, falling down into sacks he can avoid, making terrible turnovers and making terrible decisions.

What I've seen from Trey in his limited sample size is a kid who simply needs to develop. There was no fear from him. His turnovers have been either to really bad mechanics for whatever reason like vs Arizona, inexperience like not accounting for the underneath defender and not putting enough air on the ball to Kittle where he cant make a play vs Houston or simply not understanding how good NFL players can be thinking he looked Eddie Jackson enough vs Chicago.

You and others are acting like there was nothing good on tape. I call BS. I've seen Trey battle for tough yards, I've seen Trey push the ball down the field, even when he's made mistakes to not take the easy drawn up throw he didn't just take off and run and got bigger plays on numerous occasions. We've seen him literally learn from his mistakes within the game. Play concepts he didn't execute on earlier in the game he adjusted and hit later in the game. We've seen him make anticipation throws where he lets the ball go before the WR breaks on his route. We've seen make big arm throws on the run.

It's ok to acknowledge these things. To me if you're flashing greatness then with time and work you can show it consistently. Not sure why so many of you are so eager to brush all the good he's shown out there under the rug.

Originally posted by genus49:
You're either being dense on purpose or it comes natural to you with this post.

I have spelled it out repeatedly saying that my issue is people like you going over the top bashing Trey and disregarding the good plays he's put on tape.

That isn't saying "Trey played great"

Your counter to me saying people exaggerate how poorly Trey played is to say "He was terrible the WHOLE GAME"

i don't know how to explain this to you but whole game means he had no good plays. That's an exaggeration! He did. You bringing up his box score and ignoring all the context from that game is incredibly ignorant. And as mentioned before Fields didn't figure out a damn thing. He made 3 throws that game. 2 of them were wide ass open and both happened to be for TDs.

As I pointed out AGAIN the 49ers overall struggled more than the Bears with the weather. Unless you want to pretend the Bears OT is better than Trent Williams as well?

Fun fact if the 49ers don't go crazy with awful penalties then Fields ends up with 0 TDs and like 60 yards passing in that game, if that.

The weather was worst in the 4th quarter. Go look how many passes Fields threw in the 4th and how many Trey threw.

Or just keep your head in the sand screaming Lance did nothing well.
Hmmm. This sounds an awful lot like the constant disparaging of a QB who was recently on the roster. But I guess what constitutes a "legitimate defense" of Trey, was "just making excuses" for Jimmy. The hypocrisy in these threads is pretty astounding.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Lance has 1% of the experience of every qb in the league. The guy has 500 pass attempts in his entire life, to date.

it doesn't matter what the excuses are for any game for any player, either they play good or they don't. Lance hasn't had a single game where he played good as a whole. He hasn't put together 4 quarters of good play, it's just a fact.

idk why you're so defensive over this? I'm not saying he'll be a bad qb or he is a bust. I'm saying the games he has played in weren't good performances. That's all. To say anything else is just non sense. If you genuinely believe he played well then I could go out there and you'd think I played great.

trey has a great physical skill set and potential but he hasn't displayed it like a 3rd overall pick. He's played like he was pick 262. It's fine, he needs experience because he's probably the most inexperienced/raw qb ever taken this high in a draft.

thinking otherwise is just being a homer and wearing rose colored lenses. All he's had is a handful of nice passes but he hasn't put together a good performance from Q1-Q4. I'm hoping he will when he plays next.

It's literally spelled out for you man. You just choose to ignore it.

Maybe it's personal thought process on QB evaluations. It seems like you have no consideration for context within a game, QB's youth or experience level - as you earlier compared Jimmy G's play vs Denver to Trey's usual game.

Where I stand is given Trey's inexperience I'm looking for him to show he's not scared of this game. I'm looking for him to show he's not so to speak seeing ghosts, falling down into sacks he can avoid, making terrible turnovers and making terrible decisions.

What I've seen from Trey in his limited sample size is a kid who simply needs to develop. There was no fear from him. His turnovers have been either to really bad mechanics for whatever reason like vs Arizona, inexperience like not accounting for the underneath defender and not putting enough air on the ball to Kittle where he cant make a play vs Houston or simply not understanding how good NFL players can be thinking he looked Eddie Jackson enough vs Chicago.

You and others are acting like there was nothing good on tape. I call BS. I've seen Trey battle for tough yards, I've seen Trey push the ball down the field, even when he's made mistakes to not take the easy drawn up throw he didn't just take off and run and got bigger plays on numerous occasions. We've seen him literally learn from his mistakes within the game. Play concepts he didn't execute on earlier in the game he adjusted and hit later in the game. We've seen him make anticipation throws where he lets the ball go before the WR breaks on his route. We've seen make big arm throws on the run.

It's ok to acknowledge these things. To me if you're flashing greatness then with time and work you can show it consistently. Not sure why so many of you are so eager to brush all the good he's shown out there under the rug.

I'm not saying Trey doesn't have potential or doesn't need to develop. I'm simply arguing that he hasn't had a good game. That simple. I can pluck hood plays from everyone all the time. Doesn't mean they played well.

the whole "he didn't have 5 all pros out there." "He didn't have the team in mid season form" "there was a breeze" etc etc. doesn't change the fact he hasn't played well.

i understand context, very well. I do it for a living. You just refuse to accept that someone didn't play well and you blame anything and everything. Meanwhile, I accept that Lance and tbings around aren't perfect and haven't been, because that's football. If you need everything around you to be ideal. Then you're not cut out for tbe job. Nothing is perfect in football every play

yes, he needs to develop. It's obvious and always been obvious. Doesn't mean he's played well?
[ Edited by tankle104 on May 27, 2023 at 5:24 AM ]
You can play well within context. Was Trey laying it on his guys but they were dropping it cause of rain? No. Was Trey putting his team in position to win regardless of the weather no? Was Trey accurate within playing in the rain? No was Trey running well within the context of a messed up field? No. Etc etc etc I could go on and on for each game.

even when you take into context of the game, he still didn't play well. It's fine, it really is. But to make every excuse and place the blame on anything and everything but him is ridiculous.

you have to understand how context works. It isn't saying something wasn't perfect, so it isn't his fault. You look at the situation and figure out if he still did well considering the circumstances. You don't take it all and say "he didn't play well because the team wasn't in mid season form, because he isn't a vet, because the weather, because he didn't have 5 all pros, because he wasn't 100% healthy, because Kyle called the wrong play etc". You can play well within the context of games. For example, fields played well within the context of the game, he didn't have a great game but he didn't play like crap - he figured out how to win within the context of the game and maximized his god given ability to beat us. Trey didn't .

Lance is super inexperienced and needs to play, I get that, but making excuses for everything that isn't perfect isn't how football works. He will get better, I have no doubt, but acting like he played well and did a bunch of things to put the team in position to win is ridiculous.
[ Edited by tankle104 on May 27, 2023 at 5:34 AM ]
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Lance has 1% of the experience of every qb in the league. The guy has 500 pass attempts in his entire life, to date.

it doesn't matter what the excuses are for any game for any player, either they play good or they don't. Lance hasn't had a single game where he played good as a whole. He hasn't put together 4 quarters of good play, it's just a fact.

idk why you're so defensive over this? I'm not saying he'll be a bad qb or he is a bust. I'm saying the games he has played in weren't good performances. That's all. To say anything else is just non sense. If you genuinely believe he played well then I could go out there and you'd think I played great.

trey has a great physical skill set and potential but he hasn't displayed it like a 3rd overall pick. He's played like he was pick 262. It's fine, he needs experience because he's probably the most inexperienced/raw qb ever taken this high in a draft.

thinking otherwise is just being a homer and wearing rose colored lenses. All he's had is a handful of nice passes but he hasn't put together a good performance from Q1-Q4. I'm hoping he will when he plays next.

It's literally spelled out for you man. You just choose to ignore it.

Maybe it's personal thought process on QB evaluations. It seems like you have no consideration for context within a game, QB's youth or experience level - as you earlier compared Jimmy G's play vs Denver to Trey's usual game.

Where I stand is given Trey's inexperience I'm looking for him to show he's not scared of this game. I'm looking for him to show he's not so to speak seeing ghosts, falling down into sacks he can avoid, making terrible turnovers and making terrible decisions.

What I've seen from Trey in his limited sample size is a kid who simply needs to develop. There was no fear from him. His turnovers have been either to really bad mechanics for whatever reason like vs Arizona, inexperience like not accounting for the underneath defender and not putting enough air on the ball to Kittle where he cant make a play vs Houston or simply not understanding how good NFL players can be thinking he looked Eddie Jackson enough vs Chicago.

You and others are acting like there was nothing good on tape. I call BS. I've seen Trey battle for tough yards, I've seen Trey push the ball down the field, even when he's made mistakes to not take the easy drawn up throw he didn't just take off and run and got bigger plays on numerous occasions. We've seen him literally learn from his mistakes within the game. Play concepts he didn't execute on earlier in the game he adjusted and hit later in the game. We've seen him make anticipation throws where he lets the ball go before the WR breaks on his route. We've seen make big arm throws on the run.

It's ok to acknowledge these things. To me if you're flashing greatness then with time and work you can show it consistently. Not sure why so many of you are so eager to brush all the good he's shown out there under the rug.

I'm not saying Trey doesn't have potential or doesn't need to develop. I'm simply arguing that he hasn't had a good game. That simple. I can pluck hood plays from everyone all the time. Doesn't mean they played well.

the whole "he didn't have 5 all pros out there." "He didn't have the team in mid season form" "there was a breeze" etc etc. doesn't change the fact he hasn't played well.

i understand context, very well. I do it for a living. You just refuse to accept that someone didn't play well and you blame anything and everything. Meanwhile, I accept that Lance and tbings around aren't perfect and haven't been, because that's football. If you need everything around you to be ideal. Then you're not cut out for tbe job. Nothing is perfect in football every play

yes, he needs to develop. It's obvious and always been obvious. Doesn't mean he's played well?

Played well or not. He hasnt played really at all. Any conclusions either way are pre mature.

End of the day, we need him to develop, either for trade value or as our starter moving forward. Lance or Purdy, I dont care, just develop them both and create an environment to maximize their compete level for the next 1-2 years. What we dont want is to release/trade the wrong QB because we were shortsighted and impatient. The QB position isnt exactly a position that develops quickly or is a straight line to success.
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Old article, but it details what Steve Young would be looking for during OTA's.

"Can he fill it in by watching?" Young continued. "And the OTAs, to me, I don't want to wait until the season. I want to start to see this stuff in the OTAs where it's [an] 'Oh, I saw it, I get it, and watch me now' kind of thing. And that's what I want to see right away. If I see the OTAs, and it's like, 'I watched, and you know what? I kind of still do the same thing, and I kind of feel it,' then I'm going to be like, 'Hey, bro, I don't know.' Maybe if you play enough reps so that you can get comfortable and we just got to see more, then that's fine, too.
"But I want the feeling around the building, because the building says it. You don't have to wonder. You can hear it. You ask the question, 'How's he doing?' [I don't want to hear], 'Well, uhhh.' I want to start to hear like, 'Oh, no, it's a different guy. He's got it figured out.' And that's what I want to hear right away."
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