Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
load looks more compact which is good/faster, too hard to tell if he has changed his delivery... wait and see with better video... problem is, when he is not thinking and just reacting is he going to revert to how he always threw the ball... hard to make major changes to the passing motion at his age and be successful

You have no idea what he will revert to. That's a wait and see

Maybe Trey and Brock will both continue to play to their means or improve on their means.

What does that mean? Trey has clearly and undeniably altered his mechanics, which should improve his accuracy somewhat, and definitely will improve the old arm fatigue. But frankly, for both it's a bit early to know what their mean actually is. We are more certain about Purdy because his body of work is larger, and thus far it's a high mean. But still, time will tell.

We have a lot more certainty about what Darnold's mean is. So he'd have to genuinely improve to have a chance at being the 49ers Franchise QB.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

#49ers Trey Lance says Brock Purdy has earned the "leader in the clubhouse" label and gives a ton of credit to what he accomplished last season

— 𝙏𝙝𝙚𝙎𝙁𝙉𝙞𝙣𝙚𝙧𝙨 (@TheSFNiners) May 23, 2023

and yet people for whatever reason give him all kinds of s**t.

Yep. I also don't understand why people have done that to Brock after the rookie season he's had. Always trying to knock him. Lance understands but a faction of our fan base doesn't.

I really feel like you misinterpret a lot of whats going on, on this board. Or you make sweeping generalizations. People are giving Brock s**t? People are always trying to knock him? Where is this happening?

At worst, I have seen people say that they want to see him prove it over a longer stretch before they crown him. Or that they want to see how he comes back from an injury.

Where are all these people? Was there a single Niner fan that wasnt thrilled with what he did for us last season?

Here we go again." Nobody is doing that". Then I pull up examples and never get a response or a "my bad". Just move on and do it again. Like we are now.

If people said the bold and left it at that it would be fine. That's understandable. Btw, nobody is crowing him. Just discussing his play, which was spectacular. Yet, to see someone put him in canton. Appears like you are making "sweeping generalizations". Where is this happening?

when posters have blamed him for losing the NFCCG because he got injured on a freak play. Then yes that comes across as giving him s**t.

Or when posters say that they he was unimpressive in the playoffs because he didn't shred a top defense like the Cowboys, even though he broke rookie playoff records the week before, then yes that comes across as knocking his play.

Saying that he has a low ceiling due to a weak arm and size, after playIng like an elite QB during his time as a starter, comes across as s**tting/knocking him.

There are more examples that are escaping my mind at the moment.

It's not just here. It's all over twitter as well.

First of all, I couldnt care less about twitter. So if that is where you are pulling this, then its whatever.

When you make a claim that "people" are doing something, the implication is it is happening a lot. So no, you pulling an example is not the same as showing a pattern of people doing what you are claiming.

Nice job putting words in my mouth. Never once did I make the claim that people are putting him in canton. But there are countless people claiming he is the franchise QB of this team, without letting him even complete a season or letting him prove he is the same player as he was before the injury. THAT is what I mean. And I have no problem with people being excited about him or his potential. But when posters have a "wait and see" attitude, they are being labeled as hating or "giving him s**t." Thats why its absurd to say that people are giving him "all kinds of s**t." Because they arent.

Saying Brock wasnt impressive in the playoffs is clearly just in comparison to his regular season. Brock got the job done in the playoffs. He had a great 2nd half against the Seahawks. Again, you call this "giving him all kinds of s**t" when thats clearly not true.

Blamed Brock for the NFCCG loss? Yeah I call major bulls**t on this one.

People have commented on his arm strength. He absolutely doesnt have elite arm strength or anything close to it. But so far, he has proven that he can get the job done at a very high level without it. But now, he is coming back from a major arm injury. Will his already not-elite arm be even worse? Once again, all we can do is wait and see.

Bottom line is, for some posters like you, anything less than glowing reviews are considered hate or giving him s**t....which is ridiculous.

You asked where his is being said. Wtf. I replied where it's happening. I answered and your response is "it's whatever". I should have stopped reading there as I already know where the rest is going.

Me saying faction of our fan base or posters have been knocked him does not necessarily mean that I'm saying It is happening a lot. Most fans have been impressed by his play and don't feel the need to knock him, yet. Which is reasonable.

Holy cow. Where did I say you said were putting him in Canton? How TF did I put words in your mouth? Like I said earlier, should have stopped reading at your first line. I already knew where this conversation was going with based on your original reply and your first sentence on your second reply.

His perfromance was more impressive in the playoffs compared to his regular season due to what was at stake. Plus, he broke rookie records against a division rival that has had our number recently. How is that not more impressive than any of his regular season games? Staying composed and mistake free against another rival that had a premier defense that was tops in takeaways, with everything at stake, isn't more impressive than any regular season game? okay.

Yes, Brock was blamed for losing the NFCCG by failing to stay healthy. It was said on this forum. Call it BS all you want. It happened.

posters claiming that what we've seen is the best that we're gonna get because he's already reaching his ceiling. Limiting his comparisons to the likes of Minshew, Foles isn't a form of knocking him then we can just stop this convo here. Which I should have happened at your first response but I guess I felt like doing this song and dance again lol

your last line is definitely LOL worthy. Talk about putting words in posters mouth. When TF have I said such a thing. There are definitely something that Brock can improve upon. Never have I said otherwise. But to spend your time harping on those few negatives, and hardly ever talking about the positives, when the positives outweighed the negative comes across as trying to knock someone.

I guess no one hates or knocks Lance either. Since, anything less than glowing reviews of Lance considered hate or giving him s**t.

Like what we seen & heard from Trey today

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Listening to Crocker propose a trade of Lance to the Commies for Chase Young if the FO is 100% sold on Purdy. Ngl that's not a horrible idea

Hmm kind of is to me. Young is unproven, had bad injuries, expensive, and has a year or so left? I'd rather keep Trey as the backup.

id rather have Montez sweat from them and some draft picks

You say unproven yet Lance as a back up is the good idea.

9 sacks in 3 yrs and a FA after this season?

Not taking sides here, but just to note FWIW....

Given Kocureks penchant for coaching guys up, Young would be a heckuva talent for him to try and get the most out of.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I disagree with the idea that he is going to revert back to his old throwing motion. That is nothing more than a baseless assumption due to the posters hate of the player. We have seen many quarterbacks change their mechanics over the years, but because its Trey Lance, the change in mechanics arent sustainable. Also, "hard to make major changes....at his age and be successful" is an equally laughable claim. A 23 year old is too old to make changes and be successful? I could understand if he was 35, but at 23 we are making that silly claim? So dumb.

Hmmm I wouldn't say it's baseless. It's fair to be cautiously optimistic that he may regress at times when the bullets start flying because it does take a lot to rework your mechanics. Most players have to refine their mechanics every year because they typically degrade as the season goes on in some capacity, not much, but some. It's a big reason why most QBs train them some in the off season.

Kyle: "No, I think when you spend four months trying to re-correct, everything's about muscle memory and how you develop things through repetition.."
so it is real that it probably isn't set in stone since he just did it a month or two ago. Steve young woukd say it takes like 10k reps before it's really stuck. It's like fixing your posture. It takes a little while and it's easy to go back to poor posture without noticing it

now I agree it isn't a major concern. For me personally, I just want to see it in a game before I get too excited. I do expect him to maintain it in a game and I think he will.

i don't think it's more wild than someone saying Purdy is going to regress or be "figured out".

all of it's possible. Some on here just say it as cautiously optimistic, like myself. I think Lance will hold it together. There are some though that press on it because they prefer one QB over another.

I dont really disagree with anything you said. I just have an issue with someone making definitive claims like they have a crystal ball. He doesnt like Lance, therefore he WILL revert back to his old mechanics. Thats my issue.

Could he revert back? Absolutely. Should anyone be able to say he will with absolute confidence like the poster did? Absolutely not.

Lmao man. When I read your response initially I thought you said "I don't really agree with anything you just said". Hahah I was like damn, we are totally different pages.

i kind of expect him to get a little sloppy at times, but as a whole they should hang in there. I'd expect that of anyone though. If it was Purdy, I'd expect the same thing. These things take time. He'll build on them.

i agree, none of us know what will happen. The good news is that his mechanics and throwing motion look much better. So as a whole, he's improved. I think that's all we can ask for. Hopefully he will build on it. I hope Purdy is improving everything as well. I want them to be as good as possible and compete.

it's just a win/win for us as a whole. Either Lance is improved and either plays/backup for us. Or others notice how much better his mechanics look and offer up much more for him in a trade. The better Lance is, the better options we have.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Hmmm I wouldn't say it's baseless. It's fair to be cautiously optimistic that he may regress at times when the bullets start flying because it does take a lot to rework your mechanics. Most players have to refine their mechanics every year because they typically degrade as the season goes on in some capacity, not much, but some. It's a big reason why most QBs train them some in the off season.

Kyle: "No, I think when you spend four months trying to re-correct, everything's about muscle memory and how you develop things through repetition.."
so it is real that it probably isn't set in stone since he just did it a month or two ago. Steve young woukd say it takes like 10k reps before it's really stuck. It's like fixing your posture. It takes a little while and it's easy to go back to poor posture without noticing it

now I agree it isn't a major concern. For me personally, I just want to see it in a game before I get too excited. I do expect him to maintain it in a game and I think he will.

i don't think it's more wild than someone saying Purdy is going to regress or be "figured out".

all of it's possible. Some on here just say it as cautiously optimistic, like myself. I think Lance will hold it together. There are some though that press on it because they prefer one QB over another.

Nah bro, it's not just baseless it's "LOL" to think it could happen.

Impressed by Trey's press conference.

He comes across a lot looser than previous years.

Really excited to see him on the field in preseason.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Listening to Crocker propose a trade of Lance to the Commies for Chase Young if the FO is 100% sold on Purdy. Ngl that's not a horrible idea

Hmm kind of is to me. Young is unproven, had bad injuries, expensive, and has a year or so left? I'd rather keep Trey as the backup.

id rather have Montez sweat from them and some draft picks

You say unproven yet Lance as a back up is the good idea.

Trey might very well end up being our QB3.

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Listening to Crocker propose a trade of Lance to the Commies for Chase Young if the FO is 100% sold on Purdy. Ngl that's not a horrible idea

Hmm kind of is to me. Young is unproven, had bad injuries, expensive, and has a year or so left? I'd rather keep Trey as the backup.

id rather have Montez sweat from them and some draft picks

You say unproven yet Lance as a back up is the good idea.

Trey might very well end up being our QB3.

That's more unlikely than this trade proposal

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Im guessing point #1 is fine and not LOL worthy. Based on your original response it appeared everything he said was LOL.

It's possible that he may revert to his old throwing motion during live reps. Well see though. Not LOL to think it may happen. There is a reason that players and coaches mention waiting til live reps to see if something sticks.

Also, it certainly isn't easy to completely change throwing mechanics year 3 in the NFL. Still disagree that's its LOL worthy.

If they are doing major changes to his mechanics at this stage it's because it's necessary. In Lance case it's arm fatigue and accuracy issues. If he was having none of that then I don't believe they would do such a thing at this stage. Look at Rivers. Left his ugly throwing motion alone because he still getting he job done as he had been doing.

The first part of his post was fine, and accurate....but he wasnt making a point about it. His points were all negative and all massive assumptions. Thats why they were LOL worthy. He has absolutely no idea if what he was saying is accurate. You are right, it is possible he reverts back. But he said he WILL revert back as if its some sort of indisputable fact, when its a guess.

And again, you guys are acting like he is in his 30s. It is SUBSTANTIALLY easier to change mechanics as a 23 year old as it is when he is older. Thats why I think its ridiculous to say "at his age" or "at this stage" because he is still incredibly young and raw.

"You guys" "acting like he's in his 30's" lol
He didn't say it was impossible, just that it will be hard. Which it will be once live bullets are flying. I don't see how thats LOL

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
load looks more compact which is good/faster, too hard to tell if he has changed his delivery... wait and see with better video... problem is, when he is not thinking and just reacting is he going to revert to how he always threw the ball... hard to make major changes to the passing motion at his age and be successful

LOL

I'm assuming you disagree with the following opinions based on your "LOL"

1) looks more compact which is good
(appears that way. Don't think it's LOL worthy IMO)
2) will revert when there are live reps
(very possible. Something that is often said in football communities. Again not LOL worthy IMO)
3) hard to make major changes to his passing motion at this stage of his career and be successful
( I know players often tweak stuff here and there during offseason. Or work on cleaning stuff up. Not too familiar with major overhauls in year 3 of NFL career. Well see what happens but again not LOL worthy)

ARod completely changed his motion over a 3 season period sitting behind Brett Favre. He had the weird Tedford taught hold it high and tight motion that McCarthy has spoken about having to correct in the past. Unless I'm mistaken it was Aarons motion that needed to be fixed, and McCarthy's doubting his coachability in doing so that tipped the scales in favor of Alex Smith, as it was McCarthy that made the final decision to go with Alex over Aaron as everyone else in the org had them so close.

I don't remember if Rodgers started his overhaul on year 3 of his NFL career. Maybe Young is also an example of this.

Eithway, we can list outliers all we want. It still doesnt make the "hard to make major changes to his passing motion at this stage of his career and be successful" comment LOL worthy.

he didn't say it was impossible just that it "hard". Maybe Lance is another example that people can use down the line. Well see. Definitely not LOL worthy though IMO

Rodgers had a lot more to fix.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
That's more unlikely than this trade proposal

lol.

Originally posted by WINiner:
Rodgers had a lot more to fix.

We're losing our minds very quickly into the offseason program, lol.

Originally posted by WINiner:
Rodgers had a lot more to fix.

And you mentioned he did it over his 3 years sitting. Should have gotten Christensen and fixed in one offseason.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
You asked where his is being said. Wtf. I replied where it's happening. I answered and your response is "it's whatever". I should have stopped reading there as I already know where the rest is going.

Me saying faction of our fan base or posters have been knocked him does not necessarily mean that I'm saying It is happening a lot. Most fans have been impressed by his play and don't feel the need to knock him, yet. Which is reasonable.

Holy cow. Where did I say you said were putting him in Canton? How TF did I put words in your mouth? Like I said earlier, should have stopped reading at your first line. I already knew where this conversation was going with based on your original reply and your first sentence on your second reply.

His perfromance was more impressive in the playoffs compared to his regular season due to what was at stake. Plus, he broke rookie records against a division rival that has had our number recently. How is that not more impressive than any of his regular season games? Staying composed and mistake free against another rival that had a premier defense that was tops in takeaways, with everything at stake, isn't more impressive than any regular season game? okay.

Yes, Brock was blamed for losing the NFCCG by failing to stay healthy. It was said on this forum. Call it BS all you want. It happened.

posters claiming that what we've seen is the best that we're gonna get because he's already reaching his ceiling. Limiting his comparisons to the likes of Minshew, Foles isn't a form of knocking him then we can just stop this convo here. Which I should have happened at your first response but I guess I felt like doing this song and dance again lol

your last line is definitely LOL worthy. Talk about putting words in posters mouth. When TF have I said such a thing. There are definitely something that Brock can improve upon. Never have I said otherwise. But to spend your time harping on those few negatives, and hardly ever talking about the positives, when the positives outweighed the negative comes across as trying to knock someone.

I guess no one hates or knocks Lance either. Since, anything less than glowing reviews of Lance considered hate or giving him s**t.

Twitter is twitter and this board is this board. I asked where it was happening and I meant where on this board. I really dont care what happens elsewhere because we are here, not there. That is where the discussion is.

Me saying faction of our fan base or posters have been knocked him does not necessarily mean that I'm saying It is happening a lot.

Dude, you literally responded to someone saying someone gives Lance "ALL KINDS of s**t" by saying you dont understand why its happening with Purdy too. Am I supposed to interpret "all kinds of s**t" as if it wasnt happening a lot? Cmon man!

Where did I say you said were putting him in Canton?

I didnt claim you said I was putting him in Canton. Your claim was this:

Yet, to see someone put him in canton.

To which I replied: "Never once did I make the claim that people are putting him in canton." So yeah, this was a reading comprehension fail on your end.

I disagree with you that Brock's playoff performance was more impressive than the playoffs, but thats just a difference of opinion. The stakes were higher, but he didnt produce as well. So its basically what you value. I think he was good in the playoffs. Very good even. But I thought he was spectacular in the regular season Like I said, just a difference of opinion, no biggie.

As far as the end of your post goes, talk about calling the kettle black. When have I ever said anything negative about Brock Purdy? I challenge you to find ONE negative thing I have ever said about him. Just one. The closest you will find is me saying that his injury/recovery is the only thing that makes me hesitant to call him QB1/franchise QB. That isnt negative. Thats me being cautious before crowning him anything. I learned my lesson after Jimmy's first 5 games. Granted, Brock played at a much higher level than Jimmy did, but there is still a major injury to his throwing arm he is coming back from. I love Brock. I just hope he can get back to where he was. That isnt negative to say.

And tons of people knock Lance. More than is warranted. He has plenty of things to work on, but again, to make any definitive claim about him at this point is stupid.