Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I'm not sure how playing against Tom Brady was adversity when the game was a shutout until late. Justin Fields put up more points against our defense in both of the games we've played against him.

Everything else you mentioned just doesn't seem like that big of a deal or is at least something that every NFL QB has to do. Not every QB gets to come in and play with this many weapons on offense that had been in-rhythm with one of the best play callers and the #1 defense. Not every QB gets to play 6 of their first 8 games at home and not even leave the West Coast until the NFC Championship game. Brock played well, I'm not knocking him, but I do find it absurd that someone would say that he overcame a lot of adversity as a starter.

lets wait and see how many more centuries it would take for another Mr Irrelevant to make roster, go undefeated as QB1, start for multiple playoff dubs, including a near 50 spot in postseason

the dude blew up his throwing arm and he went back into the football game

adversity as pick 262 is making roster, your career is on the line day 1 of rook camp and most picks that late don't make the team, they bounce from PS to PS then have careers selling insurance

All of that happened because everything went his way. When things didn't go his way (the NFCCG), it resulted in the worst loss in the NFCCG in franchise history. Not his fault, but its not like he overcame it to win with one arm. I'm not seeing how this supports the original statement that I was responding to that Trey, unlike Brock, needs everything to go his way to succeed.

You are comically wrong. Being selected 262 is everything not going his way. That gives him a mountain he needs to climb, simply to get on roster and have an NFL career.

At what point did everything start going his way?

I didn't realize we were talking about their entire life stories and not just during the time when they were in as the starter and on the field (which is what I was referring to). If that is the case, how has everything gone Trey's way?

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I'm not sure how playing against Tom Brady was adversity when the game was a shutout until late. Justin Fields put up more points against our defense in both of the games we've played against him.

Everything else you mentioned just doesn't seem like that big of a deal or is at least something that every NFL QB has to do. Not every QB gets to come in and play with this many weapons on offense that had been in-rhythm with one of the best play callers and the #1 defense. Not every QB gets to play 6 of their first 8 games at home and not even leave the West Coast until the NFC Championship game. Brock played well, I'm not knocking him, but I do find it absurd that someone would say that he overcame a lot of adversity as a starter.

lets wait and see how many more centuries it would take for another Mr Irrelevant to make roster, go undefeated as QB1, start for multiple playoff dubs, including a near 50 spot in postseason

the dude blew up his throwing arm and he went back into the football game

adversity as pick 262 is making roster, your career is on the line day 1 of rook camp and most picks that late don't make the team, they bounce from PS to PS then have careers selling insurance

All of that happened because everything went his way. When things didn't go his way (the NFCCG), it resulted in the worst loss in the NFCCG in franchise history. Not his fault, but its not like he overcame it to win with one arm. I'm not seeing how this supports the original statement that I was responding to that Trey, unlike Brock, needs everything to go his way to succeed.

You are comically wrong. Being selected 262 is everything not going his way. That gives him a mountain he needs to climb, simply to get on roster and have an NFL career.

At what point did everything start going his way?

I didn't realize we were talking about their entire life stories and not just during the time when they were in as the starter and on the field (which is what I was referring to). If that is the case, how has everything gone Trey's way?

Brock had a significantly tougher time getting to the league and finding a way to get on the field. Lance had a much more ideal road to the league and didn't have to worry about not making the roster. Lance has never really had to worry about not even being QB2.

Lance has had a lot of bad luck once he got to the nfl. The injuries, the Super Bowl expectations, having a very capable vet on the roster, Brock playing great. Etc.
brock got screwed in high school because even
Though he was Arizona player of the year, he was super sick and weak going into his senior year, which drastically impacted his options. Although Lance had to fight to get a scholarship that'll allow him to play qb.

both can be true. It's the adversity of the league and sports in general. I do think that Brock's experience and success in overcome adversity and leading programs, probably gives him the edge In navigating it all right now. But Lance has had a rough time since he's been in the league too. Both have good heads on their shoulders and should be just fine. Just need to get healthy so they can legitimately compete.

Which hopefully, this is the year for that. I hope we hear nothing but good things all throughout training camp. That's what's best for the team. I'd much rather have two very capable QBs and not just one (that's currently known).

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I didn't realize we were talking about their entire life stories and not just during the time when they were in as the starter and on the field (which is what I was referring to). If that is the case, how has everything gone Trey's way?

I think it sells BP short to say that 'everything went his way'
makes it seem he is some dumb luck beneficiary

ppl make their own luck
Willis (Titans) played as a rook in 2022, he was so non functional that they signed Josh Dobbs off another teams PS and started Dobbs. Willis was a round 3.
Skylar Thompson played and had maybe the best WR duo in the game, Thompson was 62 rated, and struggled to get plays off without a flag. He was pick 247.

I think any rook QB who plays faces a ton of adversity, and there are not a whole lot of ppl on the planet that seem able to do the job of NFL QB at a high level. I imagine he had a hard time sleeping the night before his first start vs Tom Brady. The fact you don't view it as he faced any adversity, is a testament to how well he overcame that adversity, so well you don't even notice it.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I didn't realize we were talking about their entire life stories and not just during the time when they were in as the starter and on the field (which is what I was referring to). If that is the case, how has everything gone Trey's way?

I think it sells BP short to say that 'everything went his way'
makes it seem he is some dumb luck beneficiary

ppl make their own luck
Willis (Titans) played as a rook in 2022, he was so non functional that they signed Josh Dobbs off another teams PS and started Dobbs. Willis was a round 3.
Skylar Thompson played and had maybe the best WR duo in the game, Thompson was 62 rated, and struggled to get plays off without a flag. He was pick 247.

I think any rook QB who plays faces a ton of adversity, and there are not a whole lot of ppl on the planet that seem able to do the job of NFL QB at a high level. I imagine he had a hard time sleeping the night before his first start vs Tom Brady. The fact you don't view it as he faced any adversity, is a testament to how well he overcame that adversity, so well you don't even notice it.

Brock has essentially only faced adversity in his playing career.
- the hs he played at wasn't a powerhouse and he lead them to the playoffs and made them competitive. They relied on him to elevate them, which is why he threw over 800 times in high school.
- his college recruiting was screwed ip cause he got mono and still played before his body healed up. He was weak and still lead them to a great season. His recruiting was screwed up though and he eventually got good offers but chose to go with Iowa State.
- then he plays for a very average, at best, program in a power five conference and elevated them. Even though his teams were severely out matched every week but made them competitive. Which is why he threw so much there too, they relied on him.
- last overall pick in the nfl draft and fourth string, it's impressive he even made the team.
what Brock did has nothing to do with luck.

Lance had had adversity too, specifically once he got to the nfl. I posted it above but his injuries, team aspirations, vet qb on the roster, then a rookie balling out. He also struggled to find a team that would allow him to play qb in college, which kind of makes sense since he played 9 games and had 99 passes in highschool.

they've both dealt with tough situations and adversity, just at different stages. I do think brocks had it tougher, especially with his latest injury, but both guys are mentally strong and talented.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I'm not sure how playing against Tom Brady was adversity when the game was a shutout until late. Justin Fields put up more points against our defense in both of the games we've played against him.

Everything else you mentioned just doesn't seem like that big of a deal or is at least something that every NFL QB has to do. Not every QB gets to come in and play with this many weapons on offense that had been in-rhythm with one of the best play callers and the #1 defense. Not every QB gets to play 6 of their first 8 games at home and not even leave the West Coast until the NFC Championship game. Brock played well, I'm not knocking him, but I do find it absurd that someone would say that he overcame a lot of adversity as a starter.

lets wait and see how many more centuries it would take for another Mr Irrelevant to make roster, go undefeated as QB1, start for multiple playoff dubs, including a near 50 spot in postseason

the dude blew up his throwing arm and he went back into the football game

adversity as pick 262 is making roster, your career is on the line day 1 of rook camp and most picks that late don't make the team, they bounce from PS to PS then have careers selling insurance

All of that happened because everything went his way. When things didn't go his way (the NFCCG), it resulted in the worst loss in the NFCCG in franchise history. Not his fault, but its not like he overcame it to win with one arm. I'm not seeing how this supports the original statement that I was responding to that Trey, unlike Brock, needs everything to go his way to succeed.

You are comically wrong. Being selected 262 is everything not going his way. That gives him a mountain he needs to climb, simply to get on roster and have an NFL career.

At what point did everything start going his way?

I didn't realize we were talking about their entire life stories and not just during the time when they were in as the starter and on the field (which is what I was referring to). If that is the case, how has everything gone Trey's way?

Trey was handed the job without competition.

Originally posted by Koldo:


Trey was handed the job without competition.

He got to play for the Alabama of D2. A school that just wins championships. That made him look better than he was

Covid canceled the combine. He didn't have to throw next to the other guys.

He too was drafted to a loaded team with a master mind at OC.

He was also overdrafted with tons of assets being given away which affords him extra opportunities a mid round pick wouldn't be afforded.

Originally posted by krizay:
He got to play for the Alabama of D2. A school that just wins championships. That made him look better than he was

Covid canceled the combine. He didn't have to throw next to the other guys.

He too was drafted to a loaded team with a master mind at OC.

He was also overdrafted with tons of assets being given away which affords him extra opportunities a mid round pick wouldn't be afforded.

The irony

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by krizay:
He got to play for the Alabama of D2. A school that just wins championships. That made him look better than he was

Covid canceled the combine. He didn't have to throw next to the other guys.

He too was drafted to a loaded team with a master mind at OC.

He was also overdrafted with tons of assets being given away which affords him extra opportunities a mid round pick wouldn't be afforded.

The irony

LOL

I predict TL will have his best year yet

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I predict TL will have his best year yet

Lol I see what you did there.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Koldo:


Trey was handed the job without competition.

He got to play for the Alabama of D2. A school that just wins championships. That made him look better than he was

Covid canceled the combine. He didn't have to throw next to the other guys.

He too was drafted to a loaded team with a master mind at OC.

He was also overdrafted with tons of assets being given away which affords him extra opportunities a mid round pick wouldn't be afforded.

If Trey played the style of qb play you prefer you wouldn't say any of the above and would be defending him to high heaven.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Koldo:


Trey was handed the job without competition.

He got to play for the Alabama of D2. A school that just wins championships. That made him look better than he was

Covid canceled the combine. He didn't have to throw next to the other guys.

He too was drafted to a loaded team with a master mind at OC.

He was also overdrafted with tons of assets being given away which affords him extra opportunities a mid round pick wouldn't be afforded.

If Trey played the style of qb play you prefer you wouldn't say any of the above and would be defending him to high heaven.

TL has to win from the pocket. Where is the style difference you speak of?

he just needs to get more consistent putting it on ppl

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
If Trey played the style of qb play you prefer you wouldn't say any of the above and would be defending him to high heaven.

I would if he played the style I preferred and still couldn't throw as good as I liked. His throwing is why I'm say that. While I don't want my QB running just to run I don't mind that aspect of his or other's game as long as they are good passers and win because of passing.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
If Trey played the style of qb play you prefer you wouldn't say any of the above and would be defending him to high heaven.

If we had a positive return on the investment at this point, I'd guess he wouldn't include the points about Trey being overdrafted and looking better than he was for a dominant FCS level team.

The rest of what he said is indisputable.

Trey played for a dominant team at a lower level of college football.
He didn't go through a typical draft process.
He was drafted to a stacked team with a great offensive coach.
His draft status affords him opportunities that aren't typically there for lower round picks.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by krizay:
He got to play for the Alabama of D2. A school that just wins championships. That made him look better than he was

Covid canceled the combine. He didn't have to throw next to the other guys.

He too was drafted to a loaded team with a master mind at OC.

He was also overdrafted with tons of assets being given away which affords him extra opportunities a mid round pick wouldn't be afforded.

The irony

LOL

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