Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by krizay:

All I said was to these guys that it wasn't a "great" performance by Lance, I even said you could call it good. Now some guy name Mike is saying god knows what. Lmao

I like Waterbear, have no issue with him. Lol it's fine to say Trey had lingering injuries, I'm sure he did, but that still isn't considered a great game. Just hold whoever our qb is to a higher standard of performance. Idk what I said wrong. Lol

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Originally posted by krizay:

....Mac OTOH,....we've seen plenty of Good, Bad, and Ugly from The MACster already.

Just comparing.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lmao Lance did not have a great game against the 4-13 Texans. He had a decent game - he only did something in 1.5/4 quarters. That's not a great game, good game maybe, but not great.

You have to hold whoever our qb is to a higher standard than that, you can't set the bar that low. It was a must win game and of course Lance deserves credit for that but let's not act like our defense didn't nearly shut them out. This wasn't some gun slinging battle where Lance had to carry us to victory. He just had to have A few drives that ended with a score to win… against an awful football team.

That's like playing limbo and the bar is set where a 6'0 tall person can walk right under without bending. Lol

So according to your logic a QB has 1 game to prove himself. If not then he's not the guy right?

LOL

Idk what you're even talking about. Lol stop making up whatever the hell you're saying. All I said was that Lance didn't have a great game and you have to hold your qb to a higher standard when it comes to what their qualities of game are.

Based off 1 game

It's literally by far his best game. His only half way decent game. Once again, it would of been Brock's worst game. Lol so was Brock godly? Since that was a great performance by Lance?

You guys really going to continue exchanging all these blows given little to go off of?

He certainly wasnt out there tripping over his own feet. He certainly looks athletic, looks like he has a rocket arm, and looks like he is plenty capable regarding room for growth.

Beyond that, there's really nothing to fuss over. What he can ultimately become is all wait and see.

I've said it many times, Lance belongs in the league. I wasn't saying anything bad about him. Just that his performance against the Texans doesn't fall under "great". We can't call performances like that great because it waters it all down and makes guys like jimmy look "great" then because he had numerous performances like that.

i consider a great game to be where the qb leads the offense to really good and consistent play for four quarters and gets in the end zone. None to little turnovers (sometimes they aren't a qb fault). That's all I said lol

Originally posted by tankle104:
All I said was to these guys that it wasn't a "great" performance by Lance, I even said you could call it good. Now some guy name Mike is saying god knows what. Lmao

I like Waterbear, have no issue with him. Lol it's fine to say Trey had lingering injuries, I'm sure he did, but that still isn't considered a great game. Just hold whoever our qb is to a higher standard of performance. Idk what I said wrong. Lol

He's not a great NFL player just yet, so no one here has any qualms about you not calling his performances great, lol. That said, discussing the few quarters as if we have even close to a conclusion on how good he really is as a player is kinda pointless, IMO.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by tankle104:
All I said was to these guys that it wasn't a "great" performance by Lance, I even said you could call it good. Now some guy name Mike is saying god knows what. Lmao

I like Waterbear, have no issue with him. Lol it's fine to say Trey had lingering injuries, I'm sure he did, but that still isn't considered a great game. Just hold whoever our qb is to a higher standard of performance. Idk what I said wrong. Lol

He's not a great NFL player just yet, so no one here has any qualms about you not calling his performances great, lol. That said, discussing the few quarters as if we have even close to a conclusion on how good he really is as a player is kinda pointless, IMO.

Yeah, not sure if that's directed at me but I didn't say anything like that. I'm completely aware that he can't be defined by his few starts but it is all he can be judged on at the moment. Lance will get more chances to play, even if it's not here. He just needs a lot of reps before anyone knows what he is fully capable of.

this is a serious question - based on his mechanics when he was drafted to today, has there been a big improvement in his mechanics? I really don't know.

Well the Niners and Trey Lance against the Texans did something Justin Herbert and the Chargers couldn´t the week before. And when the Niners were fighting for the Superbowl against the Rams, the Chargers were at home for three weeks.
If they have lost that game against the Texans, there was no POs that year.

Originally posted by pdc20:
Well the Niners and Trey Lance against the Texans did something Justin Herbert and the Chargers couldn´t the week before. And when the Niners were fighting for the Superbowl against the Rams, the Chargers were at home for three weeks.
If they have lost that game against the Texans, there was no POs that year.

lol spin cycle is on today

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lmao Lance did not have a great game against the 4-13 Texans. He had a decent game - he only did something in 1.5/4 quarters. That's not a great game, good game maybe, but not great.

You have to hold whoever our qb is to a higher standard than that, you can't set the bar that low. It was a must win game and of course Lance deserves credit for that but let's not act like our defense didn't nearly shut them out. This wasn't some gun slinging battle where Lance had to carry us to victory. He just had to have A few drives that ended with a score to win.

I don't mind saying it wasn't a great game. It wasn't. But when posters use Jimmy's week 18 game as proof that Jimmy saved the season, it's highly hypocritical since he struggled in the first half just the same as Lance did. Jimmy had the same defense, did he not?

That's not even projecting, go back a couple pages and you see that exact argument from Jose.

Yeah but who gives a f**k what Jimmy did or didn't do? The fact is that kyle chose a busted up jimmy over Lance. Most likely because of his experience but also did to lances inexperience/rawness. They both didn't play great.

We already had this conversation.

It wasn't as simple as Jimmy over Trey.

Rams D had a very good pass rush. We had a blueprint for beating them and that was getting the ball out quick and letting our YAC Gods go to work. I think we can all agree that is not the game that Trey brought to the table. There is also the fact that the locker room would've been upset at a QB switch at that point.

The idea that they lost faith in Trey midway through his 21 year old rookie season is absurd and yet here you are pushing that notion.

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Originally posted by genus49:

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Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I'm just saying they are probably thinking like you. Brock has not proven it over a long period, and he's coming off elbow surgery. They could see Kirk as insurance for that. They obviously don't see Trey as insurance for that scenario like you do

You talk to Kyle off the record or something?

It's kind of mind blowing to me that you'd believe they'd trade for a QB making $20 million dollars while having a $48 million dead cap hit for the Vikings as insurance for Brock but not the fact that they like Trey Lance?

There would have to be a workaround with the contract for sure.

This is just me, but if they were excited about Trey they would be shouting it to the world. They would be talking about how he hasn't had a fair chance but wait until we see him this year. If they thought he was going to take off if he didn't get injured like they said, wouldn't they just start him?

That's how it would be if you were running things. You have to ask yourself why it's not like that. Why don't they share the same excitement and confidence

Did you just start watching this team? When has Kyle Shanahan ever shouted anything to the world.

He said they feel strong about Trey Lance and that he's got a chance to win his job if he shows them what he's capable of. That's the most you're going to hear out of Shanahan when the tape isn't there yet. Even with Brock its tampered expectations.

Shanahan is not the type to over praise anyone. Even with proven studs like Deebo, Kittle, Trent, CMC you'll get brief praise from him. Trey obviously isn't anywhere near that level so why are you expecting then to bring out major kudos for the kid?

Did we trade Aiyuk when Kyle wasn't singing his praises into year 2? Once BA went into the offseason and killed it heading into last year then the praise started coming and even then it was tame.

There is no reason to keep Trey being good under the vest lol. There is every reason to talk him up and support him. Yet they don't.

He's not the type to overpraise anyone, yet he's giving out more praise to Sam Darnold than the player he invested 3 firsts. Connect the dots man

Where is this praise you speak of for Darnold that's not there for Trey? You just making sh*t up now.

And if you need to know some guys need coddling, others don't.

Darnold is a reclamation project. You have to baby him and hope he gets some confidence back. They want to see Trey's competitiveness come out. They don't need to wash his nuts when he's a smart kid and understands the situation.

He doesn't necessarily need the coddling, but the media is questioning him and their decision to draft him. There's nothing they can say to defend themselves or support him. The coach is handing out more praise to a bust. The GM is talking about how he needs to see the field and how that's how that's a problem lol this looks really bad for Trey

Give me a quote to show that.

You want to see what you want in what he said so by all means stretch it out. I saw the interview from Kyle. There was no OMG Sam is so good, we can't wait to get him out there and Trey better come ready to play because he's sucked so far.

Cuz that's what you guys are insinuating.

No I'm insinuating he believes in Sam more than Trey. That's what Kyle did too if you watch his interview. When the Gm says he needs to play and that's a problem, he's probably done

Cut the crap. Here is the quote from Lynch

I think his biggest thing, we just have to find a way, and I've had a lot of conversations with Trey, early in my career, I struggled to stay healthy, and then I hit an eight-year stretch where I didn't miss the snap, so sometimes you just have to go through that, the rough patches, and he has to play.

And that's the biggest challenge, we have a team that's ready to go now. He has to get out there and play. Brock got that opportunity this year. He grabbed it, he did great things, we'll see at some point how we get Trey that opportunity because we very much believe in who he is as a person and who he is as a quarterback."

The "problem" as you call it is simply that Trey needs to stay healthy and play. That's nothing ground breaking if Trey can't stay healthy it doesn't matter what talent he has or doesn't. He has to stay healthy and show what he can do.

That's not a knock by the GM. Those are facts.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lmao Lance did not have a great game against the 4-13 Texans. He had a decent game - he only did something in 1.5/4 quarters. That's not a great game, good game maybe, but not great.

You have to hold whoever our qb is to a higher standard than that, you can't set the bar that low. It was a must win game and of course Lance deserves credit for that but let's not act like our defense didn't nearly shut them out. This wasn't some gun slinging battle where Lance had to carry us to victory. He just had to have A few drives that ended with a score to win.

I don't mind saying it wasn't a great game. It wasn't. But when posters use Jimmy's week 18 game as proof that Jimmy saved the season, it's highly hypocritical since he struggled in the first half just the same as Lance did. Jimmy had the same defense, did he not?

That's not even projecting, go back a couple pages and you see that exact argument from Jose.

Yeah but who gives a f**k what Jimmy did or didn't do? The fact is that kyle chose a busted up jimmy over Lance. Most likely because of his experience but also did to lances inexperience/rawness. They both didn't play great.

We already had this conversation.

It wasn't as simple as Jimmy over Trey.

Rams D had a very good pass rush. We had a blueprint for beating them and that was getting the ball out quick and letting our YAC Gods go to work. I think we can all agree that is not the game that Trey brought to the table. There is also the fact that the locker room would've been upset at a QB switch at that point.

The idea that they lost faith in Trey midway through his 21 year old rookie season is absurd and yet here you are pushing that notion.

Did I say they lost faith in Trey? They chose him over Trey for the remainder of the season. Idk why that would even bother someone, it made sense at the time and still makes sense. If you feel different about it, that's fine. But no reason to say I said they lose faith or anything. They obviously didn't as they gave the franchise to Trey as soon as the season was over.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

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I'm just saying they are probably thinking like you. Brock has not proven it over a long period, and he's coming off elbow surgery. They could see Kirk as insurance for that. They obviously don't see Trey as insurance for that scenario like you do

You talk to Kyle off the record or something?

It's kind of mind blowing to me that you'd believe they'd trade for a QB making $20 million dollars while having a $48 million dead cap hit for the Vikings as insurance for Brock but not the fact that they like Trey Lance?

There would have to be a workaround with the contract for sure.

This is just me, but if they were excited about Trey they would be shouting it to the world. They would be talking about how he hasn't had a fair chance but wait until we see him this year. If they thought he was going to take off if he didn't get injured like they said, wouldn't they just start him?

That's how it would be if you were running things. You have to ask yourself why it's not like that. Why don't they share the same excitement and confidence

Did you just start watching this team? When has Kyle Shanahan ever shouted anything to the world.

He said they feel strong about Trey Lance and that he's got a chance to win his job if he shows them what he's capable of. That's the most you're going to hear out of Shanahan when the tape isn't there yet. Even with Brock its tampered expectations.

Shanahan is not the type to over praise anyone. Even with proven studs like Deebo, Kittle, Trent, CMC you'll get brief praise from him. Trey obviously isn't anywhere near that level so why are you expecting then to bring out major kudos for the kid?

Did we trade Aiyuk when Kyle wasn't singing his praises into year 2? Once BA went into the offseason and killed it heading into last year then the praise started coming and even then it was tame.

There is no reason to keep Trey being good under the vest lol. There is every reason to talk him up and support him. Yet they don't.

He's not the type to overpraise anyone, yet he's giving out more praise to Sam Darnold than the player he invested 3 firsts. Connect the dots man

Where is this praise you speak of for Darnold that's not there for Trey? You just making sh*t up now.

And if you need to know some guys need coddling, others don't.

Darnold is a reclamation project. You have to baby him and hope he gets some confidence back. They want to see Trey's competitiveness come out. They don't need to wash his nuts when he's a smart kid and understands the situation.

He doesn't necessarily need the coddling, but the media is questioning him and their decision to draft him. There's nothing they can say to defend themselves or support him. The coach is handing out more praise to a bust. The GM is talking about how he needs to see the field and how that's how that's a problem lol this looks really bad for Trey

Give me a quote to show that.

You want to see what you want in what he said so by all means stretch it out. I saw the interview from Kyle. There was no OMG Sam is so good, we can't wait to get him out there and Trey better come ready to play because he's sucked so far.

Cuz that's what you guys are insinuating.

No I'm insinuating he believes in Sam more than Trey. That's what Kyle did too if you watch his interview. When the Gm says he needs to play and that's a problem, he's probably done

Cut the crap. Here is the quote from Lynch

I think his biggest thing, we just have to find a way, and I've had a lot of conversations with Trey, early in my career, I struggled to stay healthy, and then I hit an eight-year stretch where I didn't miss the snap, so sometimes you just have to go through that, the rough patches, and he has to play.

And that's the biggest challenge, we have a team that's ready to go now. He has to get out there and play. Brock got that opportunity this year. He grabbed it, he did great things, we'll see at some point how we get Trey that opportunity because we very much believe in who he is as a person and who he is as a quarterback."

The "problem" as you call it is simply that Trey needs to stay healthy and play. That's nothing ground breaking if Trey can't stay healthy it doesn't matter what talent he has or doesn't. He has to stay healthy and show what he can do.

That's not a knock by the GM. Those are facts.

He said he needs to play and that's the biggest challenge (I see that as problem) because we have a team that's ready to go now. Whats the challenge (problem) in letting him play with a team that's ready to go now? Why would John feel that way?

Originally posted by tankle104:

Lmao Lance did not have a great game against the 4-13 Texans. He had a decent game - he only did something in 1.5/4 quarters. That's not a great game, good game maybe, but not great.

You have to hold whoever our qb is to a higher standard than that, you can't set the bar that low. It was a must win game and of course Lance deserves credit for that but let's not act like our defense didn't nearly shut them out. This wasn't some gun slinging battle where Lance had to carry us to victory. He just had to have A few drives that ended with a score to win… against an awful football team.

That's like playing limbo and the bar is set where a 6'0 tall person can walk right under without bending. Lol

You are calling a 116 passer rating in a must win game "not good".

Come on man

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Not thrilled with how we are treating Lance. I hope he is ready to compete and shut down the critics.

It's warranted, he has done jack s**t so far since he has been here except lose to the last place bears

Jack sh*t...

Like winning a must win game to get us into the playoffs in 2021 but sure.

Sure it was a must-win game, but people tend to forget that Lance loss a game early in the season too. Not to mention, Houston was a crap team (4-13) that the 9ers SHOULD win, lets not act like he was playing the Seahawks, Packers, Rams or Cowboys, C'mon now. It's not like the defense had anything to do with the win either, holding Houston to 7 points.

On a side note, something I didn't know, Trey Lance was awarded the win vs Seattle in 2022. So Lance is 2-2 on his career. lol

That same Houston team just beat Justin Herbert and the Chargers the week prior...had they won that game they would've made the playoffs. Funny how that goes?

Do you want to bring up the games Jimmy G lost that season?

Oh that's right we're only downplaying what Trey Lance did because that's the cool thing to do.

They held Lawrence to a 73 passer rating as well.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Not thrilled with how we are treating Lance. I hope he is ready to compete and shut down the critics.

It's warranted, he has done jack s**t so far since he has been here except lose to the last place bears

Jack sh*t...

Like winning a must win game to get us into the playoffs in 2021 but sure.

Sure it was a must-win game, but people tend to forget that Lance loss a game early in the season too. Not to mention, Houston was a crap team (4-13) that the 9ers SHOULD win, lets not act like he was playing the Seahawks, Packers, Rams or Cowboys, C'mon now. It's not like the defense had anything to do with the win either, holding Houston to 7 points.

On a side note, something I didn't know, Trey Lance was awarded the win vs Seattle in 2022. So Lance is 2-2 on his career. lol

That same Houston team just beat Justin Herbert and the Chargers the week prior...had they won that game they would've made the playoffs. Funny how that goes?

Do you want to bring up the games Jimmy G lost that season?

Oh that's right we're only downplaying what Trey Lance did because that's the cool thing to do.

They held Lawrence to a 73 passer rating as well.

this is anecdotal

if we are talking the 2021 Texans, they were 4-13

27th in points allowed
31st in yds allowed

we don't have to blow smoke like it was a legendary team that shut down QB1s all year, it wasn't.. they stank, to the point their HC was one and done'd

you can say hey big ups to the young QB, first win of your career is huge, against anyone.. without trying to pump up some lousy team / D

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lmao Lance did not have a great game against the 4-13 Texans. He had a decent game - he only did something in 1.5/4 quarters. That's not a great game, good game maybe, but not great.

You have to hold whoever our qb is to a higher standard than that, you can't set the bar that low. It was a must win game and of course Lance deserves credit for that but let's not act like our defense didn't nearly shut them out. This wasn't some gun slinging battle where Lance had to carry us to victory. He just had to have A few drives that ended with a score to win… against an awful football team.

That's like playing limbo and the bar is set where a 6'0 tall person can walk right under without bending. Lol

You are calling a 116 passer rating in a must win game "not good".

Come on man

Once again, not what I said, go back and look. I said it wasn't a great game. I said it can be called a good game, which is still debatable but it wouldn't be a big deal, but def not great. If that game is considered great then jimmy had a lot of great games here. Which is nonsense.

A great game is a complete four quarters of strong play. Not 1.5/4 quarters. But call it whatever you want, it wasn't a great game. That's all I'm saying. If we call that a great game, we are watering down what a great game is.