Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Not thrilled with how we are treating Lance. I hope he is ready to compete and shut down the critics.

It's warranted, he has done jack s**t so far since he has been here except lose to the last place bears

Jack sh*t...

Like winning a must win game to get us into the playoffs in 2021 but sure.

Sure it was a must-win game, but people tend to forget that Lance loss a game early in the season too. Not to mention, Houston was a crap team (4-13) that the 9ers SHOULD win, lets not act like he was playing the Seahawks, Packers, Rams or Cowboys, C'mon now. It's not like the defense had anything to do with the win either, holding Houston to 7 points.

On a side note, something I didn't know, Trey Lance was awarded the win vs Seattle in 2022. So Lance is 2-2 on his career. lol

That same Houston team just beat Justin Herbert and the Chargers the week prior...had they won that game they would've made the playoffs. Funny how that goes?

Do you want to bring up the games Jimmy G lost that season?

Oh that's right we're only downplaying what Trey Lance did because that's the cool thing to do.

lol so true

Originally posted by genus49:
Where is this praise you speak of for Darnold that's not there for Trey? You just making sh*t up now.

And if you need to know some guys need coddling, others don't.

Darnold is a reclamation project. You have to baby him and hope he gets some confidence back. They want to see Trey's competitiveness come out. They don't need to wash his nuts when he's a smart kid and understands the situation.

this is where your emotion comes through on these posts

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That's too harsh. I still think Trey can become a Brock 2.0 in the passing game. What is most disappointing to me is his lack of durability. How can you develop as a QB if you need game reps but are constantly injured and can't get the game reps needed to improve. What durability Trey has shown me so far is very similar to the durability that Jimmy has. We all know why ShanaLynch gave all those draft picks for Trey in the first place.

Limited sample size but TL is markedly worse right now

JG started 64% of the time
TL 21% of the time
even if TL started all 17 games next year, he would be at 58%, would still have work to do

for this I'm just counting games missed as QB1 due to injury

What if you looked at Jimmy's first 2 seasons with us. 8 games started out of 21 potential. 5 games year 1 when he was traded and then he got injured week 3 of year 2 which totals 39%

I dont think this means much other than 49ers have horrible luck with injured QBs. .

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

I'm just saying they are probably thinking like you. Brock has not proven it over a long period, and he's coming off elbow surgery. They could see Kirk as insurance for that. They obviously don't see Trey as insurance for that scenario like you do

You talk to Kyle off the record or something?

It's kind of mind blowing to me that you'd believe they'd trade for a QB making $20 million dollars while having a $48 million dead cap hit for the Vikings as insurance for Brock but not the fact that they like Trey Lance?

There would have to be a workaround with the contract for sure.

This is just me, but if they were excited about Trey they would be shouting it to the world. They would be talking about how he hasn't had a fair chance but wait until we see him this year. If they thought he was going to take off if he didn't get injured like they said, wouldn't they just start him?

That's how it would be if you were running things. You have to ask yourself why it's not like that. Why don't they share the same excitement and confidence

Did you just start watching this team? When has Kyle Shanahan ever shouted anything to the world.

He said they feel strong about Trey Lance and that he's got a chance to win his job if he shows them what he's capable of. That's the most you're going to hear out of Shanahan when the tape isn't there yet. Even with Brock its tampered expectations.

Shanahan is not the type to over praise anyone. Even with proven studs like Deebo, Kittle, Trent, CMC you'll get brief praise from him. Trey obviously isn't anywhere near that level so why are you expecting then to bring out major kudos for the kid?

Did we trade Aiyuk when Kyle wasn't singing his praises into year 2? Once BA went into the offseason and killed it heading into last year then the praise started coming and even then it was tame.

There is no reason to keep Trey being good under the vest lol. There is every reason to talk him up and support him. Yet they don't.

He's not the type to overpraise anyone, yet he's giving out more praise to Sam Darnold than the player he invested 3 firsts. Connect the dots man

Where is this praise you speak of for Darnold that's not there for Trey? You just making sh*t up now.

And if you need to know some guys need coddling, others don't.

Darnold is a reclamation project. You have to baby him and hope he gets some confidence back. They want to see Trey's competitiveness come out. They don't need to wash his nuts when he's a smart kid and understands the situation.

He doesn't necessarily need the coddling, but the media is questioning him and their decision to draft him. There's nothing they can say to defend themselves or support him. The coach is handing out more praise to a bust. The GM is talking about how he needs to see the field and how that's how that's a problem lol this looks really bad for Trey

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That's too harsh. I still think Trey can become a Brock 2.0 in the passing game. What is most disappointing to me is his lack of durability. How can you develop as a QB if you need game reps but are constantly injured and can't get the game reps needed to improve. What durability Trey has shown me so far is very similar to the durability that Jimmy has. We all know why ShanaLynch gave all those draft picks for Trey in the first place.

Limited sample size but TL is markedly worse right now

JG started 64% of the time
TL 21% of the time
even if TL started all 17 games next year, he would be at 58%, would still have work to do

for this I'm just counting games missed as QB1 due to injury

What if you looked at Jimmy's first 2 seasons with us. 8 games started out of 21 potential. 5 games year 1 when he was traded and then he got injured week 3 of year 2 which totals 39%

I dont think this means much other than 49ers have horrible luck with injured QBs. .

I'm looking at JGs entire career and TLs not cherry picking any one season or another.. he's 64%
I'm not penalizing JG for games where he was QB2 to Brady. Nor am I penalizing TL for games where he is QB2 to JG. It's just QB1 games missed due to injury.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That's too harsh. I still think Trey can become a Brock 2.0 in the passing game. What is most disappointing to me is his lack of durability. How can you develop as a QB if you need game reps but are constantly injured and can't get the game reps needed to improve. What durability Trey has shown me so far is very similar to the durability that Jimmy has. We all know why ShanaLynch gave all those draft picks for Trey in the first place.

Limited sample size but TL is markedly worse right now

JG started 64% of the time
TL 21% of the time
even if TL started all 17 games next year, he would be at 58%, would still have work to do

for this I'm just counting games missed as QB1 due to injury

Jimmy's only played 49% of his potential starts. But of course you got the math wrong because we know why.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Not thrilled with how we are treating Lance. I hope he is ready to compete and shut down the critics.

It's warranted, he has done jack s**t so far since he has been here except lose to the last place bears

Jack sh*t...

Like winning a must win game to get us into the playoffs in 2021 but sure.

Sure it was a must-win game, but people tend to forget that Lance loss a game early in the season too. Not to mention, Houston was a crap team (4-13) that the 9ers SHOULD win, lets not act like he was playing the Seahawks, Packers, Rams or Cowboys, C'mon now. It's not like the defense had anything to do with the win either, holding Houston to 7 points.

On a side note, something I didn't know, Trey Lance was awarded the win vs Seattle in 2022. So Lance is 2-2 on his career. lol

Oh cause he started the game? Lmao I forgot about that. I always forget he even played that game cause I only look at full games.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That's too harsh. I still think Trey can become a Brock 2.0 in the passing game. What is most disappointing to me is his lack of durability. How can you develop as a QB if you need game reps but are constantly injured and can't get the game reps needed to improve. What durability Trey has shown me so far is very similar to the durability that Jimmy has. We all know why ShanaLynch gave all those draft picks for Trey in the first place.

Limited sample size but TL is markedly worse right now

JG started 64% of the time
TL 21% of the time
even if TL started all 17 games next year, he would be at 58%, would still have work to do

for this I'm just counting games missed as QB1 due to injury

Jimmy's only played 46% of his potential starts. But of course you got the math wrong because we know why.

lol, look at the above post.. post 60980

why would you count him being QB2 to Brady as a knock on durability.. we are talking durability and injury here
same for TL year 1 to JG.. he was QB2

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
It's warranted, he has done jack s**t so far since he has been here except lose to the last place bears

He kept this teams playoff chances alive in '21 after Jimmy damn near screwed it up in the Tennessee game. So he has done more than just lose to the Bears which wasn't all on him Primetime.

The texans game didnt even matter. They had to beat the rams. And Someone conveniently forgot the ballsy end of game drive by jimmy to save their season. Kyle picked a GIMPY Jimmy to start. Tells you all you need to know about trey.

Trey has shown nothing. Kyle is starting to make it clear that trey wasn't his decision. So many sour grapes in here.

I just want this team to win. I don't care who it is.

Jimmy won us games. Purdy won us games. Lance stunk it up. Stop being in denial.

Lance played a great game and absolutely kept the playoff run alive.

He played a decent 2nd half with maybe 4 good throws. He was shutout in the damn first half. Shanahan even yelled at him at the end of the game when he threw the ball into the ground on a 3rd down stopping rhe clock. Let's not reinvent the past.

There's so many contradictions in these last two posts of yours… I wouldn't even know where to begin.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That's too harsh. I still think Trey can become a Brock 2.0 in the passing game. What is most disappointing to me is his lack of durability. How can you develop as a QB if you need game reps but are constantly injured and can't get the game reps needed to improve. What durability Trey has shown me so far is very similar to the durability that Jimmy has. We all know why ShanaLynch gave all those draft picks for Trey in the first place.

Limited sample size but TL is markedly worse right now

JG started 64% of the time
TL 21% of the time
even if TL started all 17 games next year, he would be at 58%, would still have work to do

for this I'm just counting games missed as QB1 due to injury

Jimmy's only played 49% of his potential starts. But of course you got the math wrong because we know why.

shame shame 4f6

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I'm just saying they are probably thinking like you. Brock has not proven it over a long period, and he's coming off elbow surgery. They could see Kirk as insurance for that. They obviously don't see Trey as insurance for that scenario like you do

You talk to Kyle off the record or something?

It's kind of mind blowing to me that you'd believe they'd trade for a QB making $20 million dollars while having a $48 million dead cap hit for the Vikings as insurance for Brock but not the fact that they like Trey Lance?

There would have to be a workaround with the contract for sure.

This is just me, but if they were excited about Trey they would be shouting it to the world. They would be talking about how he hasn't had a fair chance but wait until we see him this year. If they thought he was going to take off if he didn't get injured like they said, wouldn't they just start him?

That's how it would be if you were running things. You have to ask yourself why it's not like that. Why don't they share the same excitement and confidence

Did you just start watching this team? When has Kyle Shanahan ever shouted anything to the world.

He said they feel strong about Trey Lance and that he's got a chance to win his job if he shows them what he's capable of. That's the most you're going to hear out of Shanahan when the tape isn't there yet. Even with Brock its tampered expectations.

Shanahan is not the type to over praise anyone. Even with proven studs like Deebo, Kittle, Trent, CMC you'll get brief praise from him. Trey obviously isn't anywhere near that level so why are you expecting then to bring out major kudos for the kid?

Did we trade Aiyuk when Kyle wasn't singing his praises into year 2? Once BA went into the offseason and killed it heading into last year then the praise started coming and even then it was tame.

There is no reason to keep Trey being good under the vest lol. There is every reason to talk him up and support him. Yet they don't.

He's not the type to overpraise anyone, yet he's giving out more praise to Sam Darnold than the player he invested 3 firsts. Connect the dots man

Where is this praise you speak of for Darnold that's not there for Trey? You just making sh*t up now.

And if you need to know some guys need coddling, others don't.

Darnold is a reclamation project. You have to baby him and hope he gets some confidence back. They want to see Trey's competitiveness come out. They don't need to wash his nuts when he's a smart kid and understands the situation.

He doesn't necessarily need the coddling, but the media is questioning him and their decision to draft him. There's nothing they can say to defend themselves or support him. The coach is handing out more praise to a bust. The GM is talking about how he needs to see the field and how that's how that's a problem lol this looks really bad for Trey

Give me a quote to show that.

You want to see what you want in what he said so by all means stretch it out. I saw the interview from Kyle. There was no OMG Sam is so good, we can't wait to get him out there and Trey better come ready to play because he's sucked so far.

Cuz that's what you guys are insinuating.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That's too harsh. I still think Trey can become a Brock 2.0 in the passing game. What is most disappointing to me is his lack of durability. How can you develop as a QB if you need game reps but are constantly injured and can't get the game reps needed to improve. What durability Trey has shown me so far is very similar to the durability that Jimmy has. We all know why ShanaLynch gave all those draft picks for Trey in the first place.

Limited sample size but TL is markedly worse right now

JG started 64% of the time
TL 21% of the time
even if TL started all 17 games next year, he would be at 58%, would still have work to do

for this I'm just counting games missed as QB1 due to injury

Jimmy's only played 49% of his potential starts. But of course you got the math wrong because we know why.

shame shame 4f6

lol do the math folks I can break it down for you if you need

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That's too harsh. I still think Trey can become a Brock 2.0 in the passing game. What is most disappointing to me is his lack of durability. How can you develop as a QB if you need game reps but are constantly injured and can't get the game reps needed to improve. What durability Trey has shown me so far is very similar to the durability that Jimmy has. We all know why ShanaLynch gave all those draft picks for Trey in the first place.

Limited sample size but TL is markedly worse right now

JG started 64% of the time
TL 21% of the time
even if TL started all 17 games next year, he would be at 58%, would still have work to do

for this I'm just counting games missed as QB1 due to injury

Jimmy's only played 46% of his potential starts. But of course you got the math wrong because we know why.

lol, look at the above post.. post 60980

why would you count him being QB2 to Brady as a knock on durability.. we are talking durability and injury here
same for TL year 1 to JG.. he was QB2

I'm not using those years. I'm using 2016-2022. Did you forget to include 2016? Where Brady was out for the year which meant Jimmy could have started 16 games?

Edit: I stand corrected. All these years I thought Brady didn't play in 2016. My bad.

so remove 12 games from his total of 103. 103-12… you get 91 potential games.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Not thrilled with how we are treating Lance. I hope he is ready to compete and shut down the critics.

It's warranted, he has done jack s**t so far since he has been here except lose to the last place bears

Jack sh*t...

Like winning a must win game to get us into the playoffs in 2021 but sure.

Sure it was a must-win game, but people tend to forget that Lance loss a game early in the season too. Not to mention, Houston was a crap team (4-13) that the 9ers SHOULD win, lets not act like he was playing the Seahawks, Packers, Rams or Cowboys, C'mon now. It's not like the defense had anything to do with the win either, holding Houston to 7 points.

On a side note, something I didn't know, Trey Lance was awarded the win vs Seattle in 2022. So Lance is 2-2 on his career. lol

That same Houston team just beat Justin Herbert and the Chargers the week prior...had they won that game they would've made the playoffs. Funny how that goes?

Do you want to bring up the games Jimmy G lost that season?

Oh that's right we're only downplaying what Trey Lance did because that's the cool thing to do.

It doesn't change the fact of who Houston was as a team, they weren't any good and that the 49ers defense held them to 7 points. Those were also facts too when bringing up the Houston game.

And have at it with Jimmy G, dude is not a 9er anymore, I could careless. Hey how about this, go downplay Brock Purdy's games last season and go compare those games to Trey Lance. lol

But I will say this, with all that's been mentioned, Trey Lance can either step up and take the reigns or curl up in the fetal position and look for a fresh start. We shall see, better pray he doesn't lose the first game of the season the leash won't have much slack.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That's too harsh. I still think Trey can become a Brock 2.0 in the passing game. What is most disappointing to me is his lack of durability. How can you develop as a QB if you need game reps but are constantly injured and can't get the game reps needed to improve. What durability Trey has shown me so far is very similar to the durability that Jimmy has. We all know why ShanaLynch gave all those draft picks for Trey in the first place.

Limited sample size but TL is markedly worse right now

JG started 64% of the time
TL 21% of the time
even if TL started all 17 games next year, he would be at 58%, would still have work to do

for this I'm just counting games missed as QB1 due to injury

Jimmy's only played 46% of his potential starts. But of course you got the math wrong because we know why.

lol, look at the above post.. post 60980

why would you count him being QB2 to Brady as a knock on durability.. we are talking durability and injury here
same for TL year 1 to JG.. he was QB2

I'm not using those years. I'm using 2016-2022. Did you forget to include 2016? Where Brady was out for the year which meant Jimmy could have started 16 games?

Brady was not out for the year 2016