Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

I don't get the relectance to go with Trey to start the season. They HAVE to go with him and give him his opportunity to show why they drafted him, at least until purdy is ready. They have to see what they have, even if it means costing them playoff positioning. At least they will know. Bringing in a new vet to start is just stupid.

With that said. Trey is going to have a short leash, no matter how unfair that is. That's just the reality, especially after how Purdy performed.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
We have real talents on this board talking about it makes no sense to play Trey when we have Brock forgetting that we have no Brock until the season starts and Brock has no offseason. The reverse is true about Trey so we're going roll with him because he is the best option and quite honestly Kyle not the other players or fans picked Trey just for this and he's gonna see it through this summer and to start this season

It really is this simple. Brock isn't part of the discussion right now. He doesn't get surgery for like a month (if even then). Then we don't even know what he truly will be dealing with as far as recovery goes. Brock's job is to get healthy not play football right now and for the foreseeable future. Sucks but it's the reality of the situation.

Lance will be the starter day 1 (unless we land Rogers or Brady) and he have a chance to remain the starter…if not we atleast have given Brock time to heal properly.

I'm guessing but Brock might start off on IR and we would have a cheaper vet as QB2. Toss in a day 3 rookie QB who probably ends up on the PS.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

No we just don't think it's impossible that John and Kyle invested so much and missed, and we're not afraid to admit it. Trey proving to be worth his draft capital is the best possible outcome we could have

Lol b******t… acting like it's a missed pick after 100 passing attempts is such a trash way to try and convince people that you were right.

Can't imagine the horrible takes you'd have about allen/hurts/manning/Lawrence and a s**t ton of bad QB play that came within their first 100 passes

There's nothing for me to be right or wrong about. I didn't have a take on a Trey before this season. Idk how anybody could with like 300 passing attempts in FCS. I just knew he was green, and he looks it. If you don't see it that's fine, but I don't think he's ready to take this team where it should go. I also don't think it's worth passing this opportunity up for his development. He would have to become really damn good for that to be worth it.

And I'm not just all Brock. I don't even want him to start I still want Brady lol

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
There's nothing for me to be right or wrong about. I didn't have a take on a Trey before this season. Idk how anybody could with like 300 passing attempts in FCS. I just knew he was green, and he looks it. If you don't see it that's fine, but I don't think he's ready to take this team where it should go. I also don't think it's worth passing this opportunity up for his development. He would have to become really damn good for that to be worth it.

And I'm not just all Brock. I don't even want him to start I still want Brady lol

I never said he wasn't green, I said assuming anything over 100 passing attempts is stupid. Plain and simple.

acting like he's incapable of doing anything is factually wrong. Acting like there wasn't flashes is a lie.

you have no idea what this team could and couldn't do with him under center…it's all subjective banter nothing more.

brock isn't part of the discussion right now. He's not healthy any isn't gonna be for a very long time. There aren't pro-bowl QBs just sitting there ready to play for SF for peanuts.

so you complain that if he's developing they can't win games. I say that's simply not true.

You think we need another QB to win it all right now and my rebuttal to that is WHO? It's not Brock right now. He's not healthy and could very well be out for a yr all said and done. Who else?? Brady is retired. Rogers ain't coming here (said it himself). Who then? How much does it cost?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

There's nothing for me to be right or wrong about. I didn't have a take on a Trey before this season. Idk how anybody could with like 300 passing attempts in FCS. I just knew he was green, and he looks it. If you don't see it that's fine, but I don't think he's ready to take this team where it should go. I also don't think it's worth passing this opportunity up for his development. He would have to become really damn good for that to be worth it.

And I'm not just all Brock. I don't even want him to start I still want Brady lol

I never said he wasn't green, I said assuming anything over 100 passing attempts is stupid. Plain and simple.

acting like he's incapable of doing anything is factually wrong. Acting like there wasn't flashes is a lie.

you have no idea what this team could and couldn't do with him under center…it's all subjective banter nothing more.

brock isn't part of the discussion right now. He's not healthy any isn't gonna be for a very long time. There aren't pro-bowl QBs just sitting there ready to play for SF for peanuts.

so you complain that if he's developing they can't win games. I say that's simply not true.

You think we need another QB to win it all right now and my rebuttal to that is WHO? It's not Brock right now. He's not healthy and could very well be out for a yr all said and done. Who else?? Brady is retired. Rogers ain't coming here (said it himself). Who then? How much does it cost?

I didn't say we can't win reg season games with Trey right now, we've won one, but this team is ready for a SB and Trey is not.

Based on what we saw last year Brock is capable. I don't think he's out all year, so when he's ready to go he's the guy unless Trey shows that he's better

Lance is green so he can't play! In order for him to NOT be green he has to play…but he can't do that because we won't win us a Super Bowl! Even though we haven't won a Super Bowl with a vet QB for years and there isn't some magical vet pro-bowl QB available for peanuts lol.

My god do people not see how dumb this sounds.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Lance is green so he can't play! In order for him to NOT be green he has to play…but he can't do that because we won't win us a Super Bowl! Even though we haven't won a Super Bowl with a vet QB for years and there isn't some magical vet pro-bowl QB available for peanuts lol.

My god do people not see how dumb this sounds.

You forgot to mention we just went to the NFCCG with a 23 year old and likely go to the SB if he didn't get injured

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I didn't say we can't win reg season games with Trey right now, we've won one, but this team is ready for a SB and Trey is not.

Based on what we saw last year Brock is capable. I don't think he's out all year, so when he's ready to go he's the guy unless Trey shows that he's better

So what are you even complaining about lol? Yeah Lance can win regular season games…last I checked the playoffs are at the end of season. There's a whole bunch of s**t that can happen from Wk1 to the playoffs….like wait for it…Lance developing.

Brock isn't part of the discussion until the surgery is done and he's 100%. His job is to get healthy not worry about winning games. We have no idea what he will be until then. Serious elbow surgery to his throwing arm is a big deal.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
You forgot to mention we just went to the NFCCG with a 23 year old and likely go to the SB if he didn't get injured

We also went to a NFCCG with a QB that had a serious shoulder injury and thumb injury to his throwing hand and not throwing a single TD in back to back playoff games… We went to a SB handing the ball off 50 times with Jimmy throwing the ball like 8 times.

we went to the NFCC with Brock not throwing a TD in the second round of the playoffs.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

So what are you even complaining about lol? Yeah Lance can win regular season games…last I checked the playoffs are at the end of season. There's a whole bunch of s**t that can happen from Wk1 to the playoffs….like wait for it…Lance developing.

Brock isn't part of the discussion until the surgery is done and he's 100%. His job is to get healthy not worry about winning games. We have no idea what he will be until then. Serious elbow surgery to his throwing arm is a big deal.

Lol Brock is part of the discussion for me. His job is to get healthy, come back, and finish the job.

Hurts and Allen took years to be what they are. By that time we will have to pay Lance and we won't have this roster. Then he'll need to be Mahomes. Are you willing to bet on that?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

You forgot to mention we just went to the NFCCG with a 23 year old and likely go to the SB if he didn't get injured

We also went to a NFCCG with a QB that had a serious shoulder injury and thumb injury to his throwing hand and not throwing a single TD in back to back playoff games… We went to a SB handing the ball off 50 times with Jimmy throwing the ball like 8 times.

we went to the NFCC with Brock not throwing a TD in the second round of the playoffs.

And we have a losing record with Trey against bottom barrel competition and he completes 50% of his passes. Yea that's the guy that gives us the best shot next year

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
You forgot to mention we just went to the NFCCG with a 23 year old and likely go to the SB if he didn't get injured

We also went to a NFCCG with a QB that had a serious shoulder injury and thumb injury to his throwing hand and not throwing a single TD in back to back playoff games… We went to a SB handing the ball off 50 times with Jimmy throwing the ball like 8 times.

we went to the NFCC with Brock not throwing a TD in the second round of the playoffs.

And we have a losing record with Trey against bottom barrel competition and he completes 50% of his passes. Yea that's the guy that gives us the best shot next year

For your own sake, please don't quote Trey's losing record as a reason for anything. How many starts does he have? Don't make it easy on others to call out your football iq.

Trey Lance has a better pressure to sack % than Jimmy and Brock. Jimmy's is 19.3% over the past 2 seasons. Brock has a pressure to sack rate of 17.2%. Trey's is at 11.9%.

Drop % (over the last 2 seasons)

Jimmy- 6.2%
Brock- 5.5%
Trey- 11.1%

Trey has played 15 quarters of football and has had Kittle for only 4 of them. Kittle has a career reception % of 74.6%. The only game that Trey had Kittle available to throw the ball to, he completed 69.6% of his passes. Trey has also never had the opportunity to throw the ball to CMC who has a career reception % of 84.7%.

BTT% (over the last 2 seasons)

Jimmy- 2.9%
Brock- 2.0%
Trey- 4.6%

Trey clearly has big time throws at a higher rate. He also has a career ADoT of 9.6 yards while Jimmy had a 7.5 yard average and Brock has a 7.8 yard average.

TWP% (over the last 2 seasons)

Jimmy- 3.9%
Brock- 2.5%
Trey- 3.8%

Brock had a 2.5% TWP rate this past season but he had CMC through of all of his games. Brock does not hesitate to throw the ball away when the play isn't there. Something I have seen Trey do as well. Jimmy's TWP rate over the past 2 seasons is higher than Trey's and that is with CMC for 5 games. In fact, Jimmy, who is reluctant to throw the ball away, had a TWP rate of 1.8% with CMC. That means that Jimmy's was even higher than Trey's if he never got the opportunity to play with CMC this past season. No reason to believe that Trey can't get that number down to somewhere as low as Brock's.

There is absolutely no reason to believe that Trey won't take a leap this year if given the opportunity. Especially with the opportunity to play some extended time with both Kittle and CMC. For those who might try to counter with Trey having such a small sample size. Please don't talk out of both sides of your mouth while saying that same small sample size is enough to know he isn't our guy.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Lol Brock is part of the discussion for me. His job is to get healthy, come back, and finish the job.

Hurts and Allen took years to be what they are. By that time we will have to pay Lance and we won't have this roster. Then he'll need to be Mahomes. Are you willing to bet on that?

he shouldn't be part of anything until we all have an idea of what his recovery is and how long it takes for him to be 100%. If it does turn into TJ surgery he might not be who he is for over a year. It's the truth of it man. Assuming whatever is just that assuming. There no point discussing it until the facts of everything come out.

Lol so it sounds like you don't want to have the opportunity to have someone that could be Allen or Hurts because we might lose a starter or two? Are you serious? Is this team incapable of finding and developing talent? Pretty sure that's how this roster got put together.

as far as his contract goes…if he does in fact get a Allen type deal that means he's that caliber of QB…there isn't a SINGLE person in here that would be upset about that!!

He's got 2023, 2024, 2025 on what is essentially his first contract. An extension more than likely wouldn't have a stupid high cap hit until like 2027. So here you are complaining about 2027 and complaining about 2023

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
And we have a losing record with Trey against bottom barrel competition and he completes 50% of his passes. Yea that's the guy that gives us the best shot next year

Now do Allen/hurts/manning and a f**k ton of other QBs and their 1st 100 passing attempts…I know doesn't help your narrative.

grrr he wasn't Mahomes from day 1 no chance he can become a good QB. Hopefully no one fired you after two weeks on a new job because you weren't amazing at it yet.