Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by random49er:
The last pick of the draft was Grant Stuard, and he hasnt looked miles better. What are you doing here?

You said if we could pick all over again. Not if we had the foresight of the next couple years and alot of other moving variables.

Picking all over again erases his injuries and gives us the talent and work ethic he has displayed. I'd still take.

I was obviously talking about Purdy. Maybe I should edit my post to 'a' draft, instead of 'the' draft.

Trey is a more talented player. Purdy benefitting from a superb roster doesn't erase Trey's talent or intangibles in any way, shape, or fashion. This is part of that "either/or" toxicity that clouds one's judgement, IMO.

If we're redrafting 2021 then we're erasing everything that's happened afterwards and re-doing it. Otherwise the question is largely irrelevant.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
This is exactly my point. The team is and was ready to win the Super Bowl. The team, needing a better, and more durable, player at the QB position, willingly chose to spend 3 1st round picks on a developmental project. A boom/bust player. It's now approaching the end of year 2 of the gamble and there has been zero return. Jimmy Garoppolo was still your primary quarterback for two seasons after spending a ton of capital on the position. That is a massive failure. And if Brock Purdy isn't playing well, or falls flat on his face going forward, that failure is going to continue to hamstring the team's ceiling as we are effectively still at square one with Lance. I'd also argue that what Lance has shown has been far from promising in terms of developing into an elite QB.

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On a side note, my hypothetical re-draft question was really more of a rhetorical question. It was to point out that while people may be happy we didn't end up with Wilson, we've also had zero return on our [much larger] investment. People who think Lance would still be drafted at the top of round 1 are delusional. We don't need to dwell on hypothetical 'could have been' discussions with Lance in any case. We're going to see his career continue to play out.

If Lance or Brock turn into a player you have a SB window of a decade. You would never have that with Jimmy or some other vet QB.

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Agree. Zero return so far. No way Lance would still be drafted at the top of round 1 at this point hypothetically. For the time being, Brock Purdy has been saving Kyle and John's asses.

How can there be any return when ya'll refuse to even let him play! Like I said you've setup some idiotic scenario where unless Lance played like Mahomes day 1, he's a failure. This scenario gives you a chance to b***h and toss out confirmation bias because you never wanted to draft him from day 1

If Trey Lance is the superior athlete and QB to Brock Purdy than he should have no problem winning the starting job back in July/August and taking the 49ers into a deep playoff run next season.

Why are the 2024 49ers not gonna be a SB contender? Kittle, Deebo, Bosa, McCaffrey, Warner, Armstead all are gonna here. Aiyuk too probably.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
If Trey Lance is the superior athlete and QB to Brock Purdy than he should have no problem winning the starting job back in July/August and taking the 49ers into a deep playoff run next season.

Chances are, the only way Trey Lance can win the job as a starting QB week 1 next season is if there is not a fair competition.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
If Trey Lance is the superior athlete and QB to Brock Purdy than he should have no problem winning the starting job back in July/August and taking the 49ers into a deep playoff run next season.

Chances are, the only way Trey Lance can win the job as a starting QB week 1 next season is if there is not a fair competition.

Why do you say it wouldn't be fair? Is Trey Lance not the superior athlete/QB?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And you have no idea if it's at the expense of a team to win games…they didn't win the Super Bowl with Jimmy last yr, so who cares if he or Lance started. They're winning games with mr. irrelevant, they clearly don't need elite QB play to win a bunch of games.

I'm so sick of the b******t narrative that you can't play/develop a young QB on a good team. It's incredibly stupid. Mahomes would still be riding the bench if that was the thought process. Aaron Rogers would have never played.

Given what we've seen from Lance's limited playing time, and also reports coming out from the team, I have SOME idea it was at the expense of the team. Our offense looked positively dysfunctional with him at quarterback in the bulk of 3 of his 4 starts, and we lost 2 easily winnable games in the process (@AZ last season, and @Chicago this season).

Mahomes and Rodgers are not Trey Lance. Lance was WELL behind them on the developmental curve. These guys were multi year starters at division 1 schools, and showed a hell of lot more in their college careers.

Rodgers also sat 3 years behind a hall of fame QB at the tail end of his career. We didn't have that luxury.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Agree. Zero return so far. No way Lance would still be drafted at the top of round 1 at this point hypothetically. For the time being, Brock Purdy has been saving Kyle and John's asses.

How can there be any return when ya'll refuse to even let him play! Like I said you've setup some idiotic scenario where unless Lance played like Mahomes day 1, he's a failure. This scenario gives you a chance to b***h and toss out confirmation bias because you never wanted to draft him from day 1

Lance didn't take advantage of the opportunities he had and got injured. As always, the best ability is availability. It is actually very clear that you are completely biased and delusional.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
If Lance or Brock turn into a player you have a SB window of a decade. You would never have that with Jimmy or some other vet QB.

b***h about winning Super Bowls, yet we already watched Jimmy s**t is pants in the 4QR of a Super Bowl and then watched him play awful this past season in the playoffs. We're currently watching mr. irrelevant & QB3 outplay Jimmy & people have some weird stance that we can't play a young developing QB on one of the best rosters in football lol? It's literally one of the dumbest takes I've seen in here…all a great roster does is help a QB play well. Tossing rookie QB on a horrible roster with bad coaching is the worst thing you can do to develop a quarterback.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
If Trey Lance is the superior athlete and QB to Brock Purdy than he should have no problem winning the starting job back in July/August and taking the 49ers into a deep playoff run next season.

Chances are, the only way Trey Lance can win the job as a starting QB week 1 next season is if there is not a fair competition.

Why do you say it wouldn't be fair? Is Trey Lance not the superior athlete/QB?

That is my opinion. What I meant is chances are Trey Lance won't out perform Brock Purdy is training camp and pre-season (and not even close), but he might win the starting job anyway because Kyle might have never meant to have a fair competition from the very beginning.

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Lance didn't take advantage of the opportunities he had and got injured. As always, the best ability is availability. It is actually very clear that you are completely biased and delusional.

A monsoon game and 2 drives lol. Oh piss off with that.…Just man up and say you didn't want to draft lance, instead of making up nonsense about not taking advantage or he can't play on a good roster. That at least would make actual sense.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
If Trey Lance is the superior athlete and QB to Brock Purdy than he should have no problem winning the starting job back in July/August and taking the 49ers into a deep playoff run next season.

It's all up to Shanahan. He may already have his guy picked out. I'm fully comfortable with him doing things however he wants to.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
If Lance or Brock turn into a player you have a SB window of a decade. You would never have that with Jimmy or some other vet QB.

b***h about winning Super Bowls, yet we already watched Jimmy s**t is pants in the 4QR of a Super Bowl and then watched him play awful this past season in the playoffs. We're currently watching mr. irrelevant & QB3 outplay Jimmy & people have some weird stance that we can't play a young developing QB on one of the best rosters in football lol? It's literally one of the dumbest takes I've seen in here…all a great roster does is help a QB play well. Tossing rookie QB on a horrible roster with bad coaching is the worst thing you can do to develop a quarterback.

Lol at thinking 210 yards and 185 yards is outplaying someone who only had less in his worst possible game.

Originally posted by libertyforever:
That is my opinion. What I meant is chances are Trey Lance won't out perform Brock Purdy is training camp and pre-season (and not even close), but he might win the starting job anyway because Kyle might have never meant to have a fair competition from the very beginning.

But he already did this past training camp. Brock was tossing INTs like candy.