Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by JTB1974:
The thing is Trey has shown flashes and IMO he has never looked overmatched in the games he has started in. It was just that his accuracy wasn't consistant and he was abit late on his throws but that will improve with playing time and experience. Trey didn't look any worse than any of the other rookie QB's from that class or this years class after their 1st few starts(minus Mac Jones who probally was already close to his ceiling). A matter of fact I would say Trey in his 1st 4 starts looked better than all of them minus Mac Jones. Heck, Lawrence, Z Wilson, And Fields were still struggling alot in their 10th+ start. Z Wilson is still struggling.

Oh Mac is struggling plenty as well and not just because he has a terrible OC.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
The thing is Trey has shown flashes and IMO he has never looked overmatched in the games he has started in. It was just that his accuracy wasn't consistant and he was abit late on his throws but that will improve with playing time and experience. Trey didn't look any worse than any of the other rookie QB's from that class or this years class after their 1st few starts(minus Mac Jones who probally was already close to his ceiling). A matter of fact I would say Trey in his 1st 4 starts looked better than all of them minus Mac Jones. Heck, Lawrence, Z Wilson, And Fields were still struggling alot in their 10th+ start. Z Wilson is still struggling.

Purdy?? Was it a typo?

Originally posted by JTB1974:
The thing is Trey has shown flashes and IMO he has never looked overmatched in the games he has started in. It was just that his accuracy wasn't consistant and he was abit late on his throws but that will improve with playing time and experience. Trey didn't look any worse than any of the other rookie QB's from that class or this years class after their 1st few starts(minus Mac Jones who probally was already close to his ceiling). A matter of fact I would say Trey in his 1st 4 starts looked better than all of them minus Mac Jones. Heck, Lawrence, Z Wilson, And Fields were still struggling alot in their 10th+ start. Z Wilson is still struggling.

Overmatched, uncomfortable... call it whatever you want to call it. There's been other obvious problems with his play in his limited time besides accuracy and timing. Probably the most noticeable thing, at least in my opinion, is his frenetic play in the pocket. He's sped up. Bailing on plays. Running into pressure. Indecisive in both the pass and run game.

Are these things you see from other rookies, and is it possible to improve with more experience? Of course. The problem for Trey, and us, is that this team is not an ideal situation for a rookie to go through growing pains. Not only are you gambling with the current team's potential by allowing him to take his lumps, but you're gambling with moral in the locker room when you have a better immediate option at the position like we did with Jimmy at the beginning of this season. For all the talk about how great of a situation it would be for a rookie QB to have all these great players and great system around him, it seems that the opposite is true. This situation is better for a ready made rookie with playing experience, like a Mac Jones type, or apparently a Purdy type. This is a very tough situation for a player like Lance. Unfair to him as an individual really.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Actually, North Dakota State runs a pro-style offense, that features play action and a fullback. Not too dissimilar to our own offense.
To me, it's more the reps that he's lacking, as well as the jump from weaker competition to the NFL... and yes, he does need to refine his abilities as a passer.

Lol that's even worse! If he's played a similar system.

after 300 reps in a system, you should be pretty good at reads etc. you don't need 1500 reps like Purdy, alt bought it helps.

"You should be pretty good at reads, you don't need 1500 reps" --- It's a similar system, but not the same system... and then moving from weaker college opponents to the NFL level. And you're basing the amount of reps a QB needs, on what?

From what I recall in looking at the film, Trey was okay with his reads. Some of the passes were a little off because he still needs to improve his mechanics. Those will get better from season-to-season, as NFL QB's should be working on their throwing mechanics every year.
Because of his limited playing time, you can tell his timing is off at times.... which is INCREDIBLY important for our West Coast offense. That will get better with playing time.

Certainly, there's a lot of areas for Trey to grow in... but he's not Tim Tebow. I think he's actually a little further along than people think. He has some functionality, he can make the throws and the reads... but he needs some refinement in his mechanics, timing, and just processing a little bit faster. Those should come.

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lol he had no business starting last year. He needed the reps but we still have a TEAM. This isn't the San Francisco Trey Lance's. It's always about what's best for the team and balancing that in the now and for the future. They actually did it right, he just got hurt in the second game. So anyone complaining about him not starting year 1…idk what to tell you. Lol makes no sense.

and when my team trades multiple first round picks and drafts in the top 3, I'm sorry if I expect to see flashes in the games he plays. Not have to literally teach football because most high school QBs have more reps and passing attempts than he does in his whole career combined. Lll

So let's complain about not seeing enough from Lance THEN Let's not let him play/develop and improve because we have a good roster lol. Sounds pretty ass backwards to me. We have a great roster that clearly isn't dependent on amazing QB play but hell no don't let him play lol.

Just say you didn't want to draft a QB man. If you didn't see any flashes then that's a you problem.

Pretty much all 1st round pick QB who end up being a bust can flash here and there. These busts can end up from a quality back up NFL to be completely out of the league in a few years.

Flashing here and there is such a low pathetic standard IMO.

That's what you want to see out of any young player - for them to flash, show that they aren't outmatched, and can make plays at the NFL level. Consistency comes from playing more, and showing the league whether the player has what it takes to be a consistent performer.

Yeah, Trey hasn't been able to show he's a consistent performer because we redshirted him in his rookie year, and then he broke his ankle in Week 2.
There's not a lot to go off of, so people really need to relax.

What's even consider consistent as a 22yr old QB lol? At that point in their early career you should expect some flashes and a bunch of inconsistencies.

s**t Brock had one INT called back (I think it would have been a pick 6) on a pretty bogus PI vs TB and Diggs dropped the worlds easiest pick last game. That was just flat out luck…now he's made some great plays and looks pretty darn comfortable back there BUT what happens if he goes out and lays an egg vs DC? Is he not consistent anymore? Or is he just a young rookie that's gonna make mistakes like every young QB?

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by tankle104:
has a player ever been drafted so high that's so raw? We pretty much drafted someone who barely ever played QB or passed.

his junior and senior year of high school combined he threw 11 TD passes. Played 17 games in college and barely threw.

i hope he works out but honestly, what the hell? Why would you bank so much on someone who has barely played football in any sort of competitive program that requires you to pass the ball.

most high school QBs have more freakin reps than this guy and he's in the nfl.

Josh Allen and Carson Wentz are the similar examples, and even still... they threw 600+ passes, while Trey has only thrown 300.

It's a fair concern, but it really boils down to the coaching staff's ability/inability to develop a QB, and to call plays around him. The Bills did it. And it seemed like Carson Wentz was on his way with the Eagles... but then he got injured.

Mahomes was raw as hell. His mechanics were awful and the offense he ran did not help him understand coverages. He played backyard football and made a ton of bad decisions…didn't matter because his arm talent was stupid.

I would say Murray was pretty raw with like 500 passing attempts and just a one yr as a starter. He played in an offense that doesn't really translate to the NFL either. He landed on a team that was willing to transform their offense to fit him. Overall it helped him in the short-term but he hasn't developed as an overall QB either.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lol he had no business starting last year. He needed the reps but we still have a TEAM. This isn't the San Francisco Trey Lance's. It's always about what's best for the team and balancing that in the now and for the future. They actually did it right, he just got hurt in the second game. So anyone complaining about him not starting year 1…idk what to tell you. Lol makes no sense.

and when my team trades multiple first round picks and drafts in the top 3, I'm sorry if I expect to see flashes in the games he plays. Not have to literally teach football because most high school QBs have more reps and passing attempts than he does in his whole career combined. Lll

So let's complain about not seeing enough from Lance THEN Let's not let him play/develop and improve because we have a good roster lol. Sounds pretty ass backwards to me. We have a great roster that clearly isn't dependent on amazing QB play but hell no don't let him play lol.

Just say you didn't want to draft a QB man. If you didn't see any flashes then that's a you problem.

Pretty much all 1st round pick QB who end up being a bust can flash here and there. These busts can end up from a quality back up NFL to be completely out of the league in a few years.

Flashing here and there is such a low pathetic standard IMO.

That's what you want to see out of any young player - for them to flash, show that they aren't outmatched, and can make plays at the NFL level. Consistency comes from playing more, and showing the league whether the player has what it takes to be a consistent performer.

Yeah, Trey hasn't been able to show he's a consistent performer because we redshirted him in his rookie year, and then he broke his ankle in Week 2.
There's not a lot to go off of, so people really need to relax.

What's even consider consistent as a 22yr old QB lol? At that point in their early career you should expect some flashes and a bunch of inconsistencies.

s**t Brock had one INT called back (I think it would have been a pick 6) on a pretty bogus PI vs TB and Diggs dropped the worlds easiest pick last game. That was just flat out luck…now he's made some great plays and looks pretty darn comfortable back there BUT what happens if he goes out and lays an egg vs DC? Is he not consistent anymore? Or is he just a young rookie that's gonna make mistakes like every young QB?

"flat out luck" is an important factor in successful football tho.

https://operations.nfl.com/gameday/analytics/stats-articles/how-luck-plays-a-role-in-the-success-of-nfl-teams/

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
The thing is Trey has shown flashes and IMO he has never looked overmatched in the games he has started in. It was just that his accuracy wasn't consistant and he was abit late on his throws but that will improve with playing time and experience. Trey didn't look any worse than any of the other rookie QB's from that class or this years class after their 1st few starts(minus Mac Jones who probally was already close to his ceiling). A matter of fact I would say Trey in his 1st 4 starts looked better than all of them minus Mac Jones. Heck, Lawrence, Z Wilson, And Fields were still struggling alot in their 10th+ start. Z Wilson is still struggling.

Overmatched, uncomfortable... call it whatever you want to call it. There's been other obvious problems with his play in his limited time besides accuracy and timing. Probably the most noticeable thing, at least in my opinion, is his frenetic play in the pocket. He's sped up. Bailing on plays. Running into pressure. Indecisive in both the pass and run game.

Are these things you see from other rookies, and is it possible to improve with more experience? Of course. The problem for Trey, and us, is that this team is not an ideal situation for a rookie to go through growing pains. Not only are you gambling with the current team's potential by allowing him to take his lumps, but you're gambling with moral in the locker room when you have a better immediate option at the position like we did with Jimmy at the beginning of this season. For all the talk about how great of a situation it would be for a rookie QB to have all these great players and great system around him, it seems that the opposite is true. This situation is better for a ready made rookie with playing experience, like a Mac Jones type, or apparently a Purdy type. This is a very tough situation for a player like Lance. Unfair to him as an individual really.

Yeah, but you draft young players with a long-term view and develop them. For a QB especially, the intent is that he becomes a 10-year type of fixture at QB.
If we were only concerned about 2021-2023, we would've just drafted Mac Jones....... or swung harder for veteran QB's that were available.

This is the reason why Trey's injury in week 2 was catastrophic, from a roster construction standpoint. Jimmy gave us the luxury of quietly developing Trey during his rookie season, and this year was the year where we were prepared to take our lumps with a young QB. Because hopefully, the growing pains would've just been in the beginning of the season, and we would have a good idea by now, whether or not Trey Lance would be The Guy. Instead, we just wait and see how he recovers from injury and roll into 2023 with him and Purdy.

All in all though, we're very fortunate that we drafted Purdy because now all our eggs aren't in one basket. We have choices on what the future at QB looks like. Purdy looks great, Lance has enormous potential... with both of them under contract, we just let things play out.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lol that's even worse! If he's played a similar system.

after 300 reps in a system, you should be pretty good at reads etc. you don't need 1500 reps like Purdy, alt bought it helps.

Lol wut? So since you're so smart with all this…what's Lance's problem…not understanding the play and how to run it OR dealing with NFL defenses/coverages and the overall speed of the game? It's not even like he looks lost out there. He hasn't even had a chance for people to determine what he sucks at lol. My god we have next to no film overall.

if Brock goes out and lays an egg this week then what? Is he not considered consistent anymore? Or is it the fact that he's also a 22yr old QB that's gonna have ups and downs in the NFL early in his career.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lol he had no business starting last year. He needed the reps but we still have a TEAM. This isn't the San Francisco Trey Lance's. It's always about what's best for the team and balancing that in the now and for the future. They actually did it right, he just got hurt in the second game. So anyone complaining about him not starting year 1…idk what to tell you. Lol makes no sense.

and when my team trades multiple first round picks and drafts in the top 3, I'm sorry if I expect to see flashes in the games he plays. Not have to literally teach football because most high school QBs have more reps and passing attempts than he does in his whole career combined. Lll

So let's complain about not seeing enough from Lance THEN Let's not let him play/develop and improve because we have a good roster lol. Sounds pretty ass backwards to me. We have a great roster that clearly isn't dependent on amazing QB play but hell no don't let him play lol.

Just say you didn't want to draft a QB man. If you didn't see any flashes then that's a you problem.

Pretty much all 1st round pick QB who end up being a bust can flash here and there. These busts can end up from a quality back up NFL to be completely out of the league in a few years.

Flashing here and there is such a low pathetic standard IMO.

That's what you want to see out of any young player - for them to flash, show that they aren't outmatched, and can make plays at the NFL level. Consistency comes from playing more, and showing the league whether the player has what it takes to be a consistent performer.

Yeah, Trey hasn't been able to show he's a consistent performer because we redshirted him in his rookie year, and then he broke his ankle in Week 2.
There's not a lot to go off of, so people really need to relax.

What's even consider consistent as a 22yr old QB lol? At that point in their early career you should expect some flashes and a bunch of inconsistencies.

s**t Brock had one INT called back (I think it would have been a pick 6) on a pretty bogus PI vs TB and Diggs dropped the worlds easiest pick last game. That was just flat out luck…now he's made some great plays and looks pretty darn comfortable back there BUT what happens if he goes out and lays an egg vs DC? Is he not consistent anymore? Or is he just a young rookie that's gonna make mistakes like every young QB?

Yep.
The thing that drives me nuts about people claiming "Brock Purdy is our next great QB", or Trey Lance is a bust", is that the sample size is so small on both of them. There's things you can see on film, but most posters don't actually watch the film and just make knee-jerk reactions.

Like... "Oh! Look at Brock Purdy's numbers against the blitz vs. the Saints & Dolphins"... I'm like... "Fantastic! That's what we love to see!", but there's still a question... Has he consistently shown he can beat the blitz week in and week out? Who knows? That's something that only time reveals.

Originally posted by boast:
"flat out luck" is an important factor in successful football tho.

https://operations.nfl.com/gameday/analytics/stats-articles/how-luck-plays-a-role-in-the-success-of-nfl-teams/

Which has nothing to do with QB play if we're talking about playing consistent football. No different then if a wide open WR drops a perfectly thrown pass. PFF has a stat called turn over worthy plays and I saw this stat

this recent three-game stretch, the rookie quarterback has been dinged with four "turnover-worthy plays" by PFF. And if he had enough dropbacks to qualify for the statistical charts, his 4.5-percent turnover-worthy play rate would rank fourth-worst in the NFL, behind only Zach Wilson, Justin Fields, and Taylor Heinicke.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by boast:
"flat out luck" is an important factor in successful football tho.

https://operations.nfl.com/gameday/analytics/stats-articles/how-luck-plays-a-role-in-the-success-of-nfl-teams/

Which has nothing to do with QB play if we're talking about playing consistent football. No different then if a wide open WR drops a perfectly thrown pass. Both are incompletions. PFF has a stat called turn over worthy plays and I saw this stat

this recent three-game stretch, the rookie quarterback has been dinged with four "turnover-worthy plays" by PFF. And if he had enough dropbacks to qualify for the statistical charts, his 4.5-percent turnover-worthy play rate would rank fourth-worst in the NFL, behind only Zach Wilson, Justin Fields, and Taylor Heinicke.

theoretical (aka what if) stats don't do much for me. scoreboards are much more important.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by boast:

"flat out luck" is an important factor in successful football tho.

https://operations.nfl.com/gameday/analytics/stats-articles/how-luck-plays-a-role-in-the-success-of-nfl-teams/

Which has nothing to do with QB play if we're talking about playing consistent football. No different then if a wide open WR drops a perfectly thrown pass. PFF has a stat called turn over worthy plays and I saw this stat

this recent three-game stretch, the rookie quarterback has been dinged with four "turnover-worthy plays" by PFF. And if he had enough dropbacks to qualify for the statistical charts, his 4.5-percent turnover-worthy play rate would rank fourth-worst in the NFL, behind only Zach Wilson, Justin Fields, and Taylor Heinicke.

Subjective stats are subjective.

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Yep.
The thing that drives me nuts about people claiming "Brock Purdy is our next great QB", or Trey Lance is a bust", is that the sample size is so small on both of them. There's things you can see on film, but most posters don't actually watch the film and just make knee-jerk reactions.

Like... "Oh! Look at Brock Purdy's numbers against the blitz vs. the Saints & Dolphins"... I'm like... "Fantastic! That's what we love to see!", but there's still a question... Has he consistently shown he can beat the blitz week in and week out? Who knows? That's something that only time reveals.

It's because Brock's expectations are next to zero. He was the last pick in the draft. He had bottom of the league measurables and arm talent. So when he goes out and plays quality football, fans are going to become overly dramatic about it… especially the ones that did not want to draft Trey Lance or move off of Jimmy Garoppolo. Those are the main people that you're debating in here. They don't care that he played football for 4 yrs and had 5X the amount of passing attempts.

And with Lance the expectations are through the roof and rightfully so. In there eyes he was suppose to be some consistent play maker even though he was a very young inexperienced QB that needed reps to improve…those people also said he shouldn't play because he wasn't "ready" and should not play football, which is really the only thing that gonna get him better lol….Those fans basically put Lance into a no win situation unless he came out and played like Mahomes or Herbert. Kinda hard to have a levelheaded convo with those people imo.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Yep.
The thing that drives me nuts about people claiming "Brock Purdy is our next great QB", or Trey Lance is a bust", is that the sample size is so small on both of them. There's things you can see on film, but most posters don't actually watch the film and just make knee-jerk reactions.

Like... "Oh! Look at Brock Purdy's numbers against the blitz vs. the Saints & Dolphins"... I'm like... "Fantastic! That's what we love to see!", but there's still a question... Has he consistently shown he can beat the blitz week in and week out? Who knows? That's something that only time reveals.

It's because Brock's expectations are next to zero. He was the last pick in the draft. He had bottom of the league measurables and arm talent. So when he goes out and plays quality football, fans are going to become overly dramatic about it… especially the ones that did not want to draft Trey Lance or move off of Jimmy Garoppolo. Those are the main people that you're debating in here. They don't care that he played football for 4 yrs and had 5X the amount of passing attempts.

And with Lance the expectations are through the roof and rightfully so. In there eyes he was suppose to be some consistent play maker even though he was a very young inexperienced QB that needed reps to improve…those people also said he shouldn't play because he wasn't "ready" and should not play football, which is really the only thing that gonna get him better lol….Those fans basically put Lance into a no win situation unless he came out and played like Mahomes or Herbert. Kinda hard to have a levelheaded convo with those people imo.

you keep saying stuff like " in their (sp) eyes he was suppose to be " "those people also said he shouldn't play " "Those fans "

why are you being so passively divisive? Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch were the guys who laid out the plans for Trey Lance. that plan was for him to sit behind Jimmy until he was ready.