Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by boast:
"flat out luck" is an important factor in successful football tho.

https://operations.nfl.com/gameday/analytics/stats-articles/how-luck-plays-a-role-in-the-success-of-nfl-teams/

Which has nothing to do with QB play if we're talking about playing consistent football. No different then if a wide open WR drops a perfectly thrown pass. Both are incompletions. PFF has a stat called turn over worthy plays and I saw this stat

this recent three-game stretch, the rookie quarterback has been dinged with four "turnover-worthy plays" by PFF. And if he had enough dropbacks to qualify for the statistical charts, his 4.5-percent turnover-worthy play rate would rank fourth-worst in the NFL, behind only Zach Wilson, Justin Fields, and Taylor Heinicke.

theoretical (aka what if) stats don't do much for me. scoreboards are much more important.

Those that would like to delve in depth on a subject without trying to cover their eyes consider both.

lol at saying people are ignorant for not putting much stock in what-if stats for games that have already been decided and won.

i find the set of posters making these divisive claims very interesting

Originally posted by Jcool:

#49ers locker room news:

Trey Lance got everyone Sonos speakers, and offensive linemen also getting custom suit and Yeti backpack cooler

What did Brock Purdy get them?
"Wins," replied Jake Brendel

(Jimmy G usually gifts everyone too) pic.twitter.com/STDIBmIoIu

— Cam Inman (@CamInman) December 22, 2022

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by boast:
"flat out luck" is an important factor in successful football tho.

https://operations.nfl.com/gameday/analytics/stats-articles/how-luck-plays-a-role-in-the-success-of-nfl-teams/

Which has nothing to do with QB play if we're talking about playing consistent football. No different then if a wide open WR drops a perfectly thrown pass. Both are incompletions. PFF has a stat called turn over worthy plays and I saw this stat

this recent three-game stretch, the rookie quarterback has been dinged with four "turnover-worthy plays" by PFF. And if he had enough dropbacks to qualify for the statistical charts, his 4.5-percent turnover-worthy play rate would rank fourth-worst in the NFL, behind only Zach Wilson, Justin Fields, and Taylor Heinicke.

theoretical (aka what if) stats don't do much for me. scoreboards are much more important.

Those that would like to delve in depth on a subject without trying to cover their eyes consider both.

lol at saying people are ignorant for not putting much stock in what-if stats for games that have already been decided and won.

i find the set of posters making these divisive claims very interesting

I would say that trying to force one to matter and the other to not (the scoreboard vs. stats) is an attempt at being divisive. I mean it's a football forum,...people are naturally going to discuss both.

It's kinda like the explosion of the Trey lance thread since Brock has been playing well. That 1 or the other herd mentality is being rejected by a few here,...that's all.

The coaches have the situation under control. They know what they want.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Brock's 10 yard split and 20 yard split are equivalent to Deshaun Watson. Watson is more agile, but Brock has a stronger arm.

Compare to Drew Brees, Brock is much more mobile and probably has a stronger arm too.

Now compare everything else lol. There's a reason he was the last pick in the draft dude. Stop it

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Brock's 10 yard split and 20 yard split are equivalent to Deshaun Watson. Watson is more agile, but Brock has a stronger arm.

Compare to Drew Brees, Brock is much more mobile and probably has a stronger arm too.

Now compare everything else lol. There's a reason he was the last pick in the draft dude. Stop it

So the performance on the field doesn't matter, but draft position does??

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Brock's 10 yard split and 20 yard split are equivalent to Deshaun Watson. Watson is more agile, but Brock has a stronger arm.

Compare to Drew Brees, Brock is much more mobile and probably has a stronger arm too.

Now compare everything else lol. There's a reason he was the last pick in the draft dude. Stop it

So the performance on the field doesn't matter, but draft position does??

Draft position doesn't mean s**t. Its what a player does with the opportunity that is given to him. Just ask Tom Brady.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Jcool:

#49ers locker room news:

Trey Lance got everyone Sonos speakers, and offensive linemen also getting custom suit and Yeti backpack cooler

What did Brock Purdy get them?
"Wins," replied Jake Brendel

(Jimmy G usually gifts everyone too) pic.twitter.com/STDIBmIoIu

— Cam Inman (@CamInman) December 22, 2022

Sweet

Originally posted by libertyforever:
So the performance on the field doesn't matter, but draft position does??

Originally posted by boast:
that talking point also dictates a player cant really improve from draft to debut.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by boast:
that talking point also dictates a player cant really improve from draft to debut.

And I never said that. I said his measureables and arm talent is a reason why he dropped. That's not made up…never said he couldn't improve or be the next Brees.

Originally posted by libertyforever:
There is nothing wrong in saying that. It is true. Just because he can't get any better without playing doesn't mean the team should be wasting the Super Bowl window with him at QB.

Originally posted by boast:
you constantly ignore that when he did get his chances to play, he's injured. he had opportunities last season. this season he was named the starter. his injuries are holding back his development more than fan opinion.

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
I'll say it. He's Jimmy G with maybe an ability to stretch the field more or a Tannehill. He's no Brees. Ill gladly be wrong.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Yep.
The thing that drives me nuts about people claiming "Brock Purdy is our next great QB", or Trey Lance is a bust", is that the sample size is so small on both of them. There's things you can see on film, but most posters don't actually watch the film and just make knee-jerk reactions.

Like... "Oh! Look at Brock Purdy's numbers against the blitz vs. the Saints & Dolphins"... I'm like... "Fantastic! That's what we love to see!", but there's still a question... Has he consistently shown he can beat the blitz week in and week out? Who knows? That's something that only time reveals.

It's because Brock's expectations are next to zero. He was the last pick in the draft. He had bottom of the league measurables and arm talent. So when he goes out and plays quality football, fans are going to become overly dramatic about it… especially the ones that did not want to draft Trey Lance or move off of Jimmy Garoppolo. Those are the main people that you're debating in here. They don't care that he played football for 4 yrs and had 5X the amount of passing attempts.

And with Lance the expectations are through the roof and rightfully so. In there eyes he was suppose to be some consistent play maker even though he was a very young inexperienced QB that needed reps to improve…those people also said he shouldn't play because he wasn't "ready" and should not play football, which is really the only thing that gonna get him better lol….Those fans basically put Lance into a no win situation unless he came out and played like Mahomes or Herbert. Kinda hard to have a levelheaded convo with those people imo.