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Originally posted by thl408:
For me it's calmness in the pocket, and for now I'll attribute it purely to inexperience. I know that's a generic and vague assessment, just my eyeballs saying this. What's good is that, in 2021, he looked better in the HOU game when compared to his ARI start. And he looked better in the HOU second half than HOU first half. He still has not had two consecutive full starts where he can settle into some sort of rhythm. The conundrum I see in 2023 is Lance can't get better unless he plays, and he may only play if he's better than Brock.
In my ideal scenario, Brock enters 2023 as plan B while Lance gets his chance to play and improve. How quickly Lance progresses will determine how much time he's given. All this with Brock breathing down his back. Also a factor is how Brock closes out 2022.

Oh I totally agree with that. Like I said having 4yrs of football under your belt before you step onto the field helps a ton. He clearly can run this offense.

As far as play calling overall, kyle still ran a ton of the stuff he ran with Jimmy and Brock, when Lance was the QB. He sprinkled in read options and designed runs because that's part of his skill set.

kids only has what 3 full games and 2 as the QB1? making any hard assumptions on what he can or can't be long-term with that sample size is being hella ignorant imo.

like I keep saying, I'm just enjoying the season right now…see how it shakes out then worry about 2023 in 2023
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Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Beating a blitz is more about anticipation and presnap awareness. I'm looking at his release/throwing motion just from yesterday and it's nothing special or even greatly different than Lance's, while making the same throw. this has nothing to do with hating on Brock and pointing out how much people s**t on Lance over something as stupid (and factually incorrect) as his slow release. Especially if you think Brock has a "quick" release.

outside of running a couple more read options/QB powers. What exactly didn't Lance run or what was he incapable of doing? We saw bootlegs, yankee concepts, in breaking routes, play action both under center and from the gun. People are trying to embellish/rewrite the past. Sure he wasn't amazing in a couple QRs of football. He wasn't consistent. It wasn't all s**t either.

Brock is doing is thing and I'm here to see how it plays out. I hope he becomes the next Drew Brees or whatever. There's a long way to determine that, 2 starts is just that. Two starts.

Can you even name a rookie QB having a more impressive first 3 games of their career (exclude KC garbage time, include the Dolphins game since he played all but first drive and the team was trailing when he got in the game)? Sure Aaron Rodgers and Jimmy Garoppolo had a great start in their career, but they were sitting on the bench for several seasons. Rookie QB? I can't think of any.

You made an argument how unready rookie QB are and that none of them are ready to play in the NFL right away. Well, we have Purdy, but you are not impressed by his performance. But you think Trey wasn't very bad. You think he was good here and there. Let me tell you this. The vast majority of 1st round bust QB can probably flash here and there.

This is a complete double standard.

Justin Herbert (Three 300 yards passing games), Cam Newton ( Two 400 yards passing games), Mac Jones, Andrew Luck, and Ben Roethlisberger, to name a few, had more impressive 3 game starts than Brock Purdy, especially given that they were week 1 starters.

Brock has played well, but it's prudent to temper expectations and to view his performance in the appropriate context of coaching, surrounding talent, competition (e.g. Miami's defense gives up 32 points on the road on avg.), and stepping in towards the end of the season when the team is clicking.

With that said, in my opinion (and it's just an opinion no matter how well supported or articulated), Purdy has less of an upside than Lance, but he's good enough to manage this offense to a SB under the right circumstances.
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Can you even name a rookie QB having a more impressive first 3 games of their career (exclude KC garbage time, include the Dolphins game since he played all but first drive and the team was trailing when he got in the game)? Sure Aaron Rodgers and Jimmy Garoppolo had a great start in their career, but they were sitting on the bench for several seasons. Rookie QB? I can't think of any.

You made an argument how unready rookie QB are and that none of them are ready to play in the NFL right away. Well, we have Purdy, but you are not impressed by his performance. But you think Trey wasn't very bad. You think he was good here and there. Let me tell you this. The vast majority of 1st round bust QB can probably flash here and there.

This is a complete double standard.

I never said I wasn't impressed with his performance, don't put words in my mouth dude. I have praised him plenty and said I didn't see that coming from him. He does what kyle wanted Jimmy to do. He looks high to low and isn't afraid to move around and deal with pressure. He can make proper reads pre-snap and has good anticipation. Like everything in here people are instant reaction one way or the other. It's two starts.

I made a clear and understandable post that most highly drafted QBs aren't savants in the pocket right out of the gate. Most are drafted to dog s**t teams with horrible coaching staffs. Most get tossed out there and expect to do more than they can, which often leads to bad football. Most young successful QBs rely on their athletic ability to make positive plays before excelling in the pocket.

even dudes that were regarded as generational talents like Lawrence, luck and manning weren't stunning out the gate.

IMO Herbert had some of the best QB play I've seen as a rookie.

I SAID people are rewriting history when they said lance played poorly or couldn't run this offense. No he wasn't consistent as you want and Brock clearly looks like he's played 5x as much as football as Lance has. That doesn't mean given more snaps that Lance won't become the better player all said and done. Doesn't mean Brock can't get better either. We have no clue so stop acting like you do.

dont create some crap narrative by twisting my words. You want to have a legit convo, I'm fine with that…I'm not gonna argue with someone that makes up stuff though.

It's an odd spot for blue chip college QBs. Many of them have physical traits that NFL scouts drool over. This puts them high on draft boards and causes them to enter the draft early, when in actuality, another season of college ball would prepare them well for the NFL. I get it, money talks, but another year of college ball would have done well for many of these junior classmen.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
I got no problem with competition.

I also want the most talented players playing. I want the guys they invested/believed in playing and developing. Same thing with a guy like Drake Jackson. Get him out there more. He's clearly talented and needs to play to improve all the same.

see I think when you invest in a high end QB, there's a process. They went that route and understood that it's about developing the QB. The roster is real good and they don't need him to be Mahomes to win games right now. I don't see it as emotional at all…you went that route and understood that there's a process when choosing to move up for a QB that young and not having a ton of experience.

The difference is Brock had 1,500 passing attempts coming into the league. His baseline was he's seen a ton of football. That's great in the short-term. Now give Lance 1,500 passing attempts with Kyle and tell me if you think he will improve. IMO I think he will have. Do I think Brock will improve as much? I don't know. I like to go with the talent/skill set in that situation.

I know I'm in the minority, but I think it's okay to take one step back to take 10 steps ahead long-term. You gotta have faith in your team that they can keep replenishing the roster and coach as well as they have.

I think where we disagree is the taking a step back to take 10 steps forward. Building a roster like this is extremely difficult and doesn't come by too often. So I'm not comfortable with taking an unnecessary risk to jeopardize the teams aspirations.

if Trey was starting and healthy, maybe he's doing what Purdy is doing or better, but we will never know this season. All we know is we have a QB playing at a high level and the absolutely ONLY knocks against Purdy is either "he is a 7th round rookie" or "we spent a lot of picks on Trey, he should be starting".

i just wish Trey would of showed more promise in his few starts, but that's okay, doesn't mean he won't be a great QB.
Originally posted by Dshearn:
I dunno man,

Brock is flat out beating the unblocked blitz with his arm. I don't see any hitch in his throwing motion or any delay in his set up. From a layman's perspective Brock looks effective. Jimmy has not really been Jimmy in years, minus his minor revival this year.

Trey clearly has not even run the same offense, I don't know how we could take anything useful away from that unless it is just the blanket assumption Trey can't run the same offense at this point.

That is my position btw, Trey ran that gimmick offense this season, because he could not....at this point...... meet the standards needed to run the "normal offense".

I am sure at some point Trey's natural talent will shine though to whatever extent he has it. If Shanny wanted him, I am sure he saw stuff he can work with.

The bolded above - 100% true. I actually don't like the way we call plays with Trey in at all. I hate the QB runs up the gut.

wirh that said, I think it's telling of kyles current confidence level in Trey though, and that's not a good thing. IM NOT SAYING HE HATES TREY OR DOESNT WANT HIM.

i think the 49ers thought they were getting a QB who was more mobile and could get around the edges on designed runs, but he isn't that kind of runner. He's really just big and fast in a straight line - not agile/elusive/quick (in comparison to actual mobile QBs).

we also ran A LOT with him and I feel like that's cause kyle's not sold on treys passing ability yet in the offense. so I think he was running those kind of plays to get Trey reps and try and get him more comfortable out there. Unfortunately, it's completely dumb, ineffective, and now he's injured. I wouldn't run Josh Allen nearly as much as Buffalo does either - he's going to get hurt and start breaking down sooner than later, making his career much shorter than it needs to be.
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
I got no problem with competition.

I also want the most talented players playing. I want the guys they invested/believed in playing and developing. Same thing with a guy like Drake Jackson. Get him out there more. He's clearly talented and needs to play to improve all the same.

see I think when you invest in a high end QB, there's a process. They went that route and understood that it's about developing the QB. The roster is real good and they don't need him to be Mahomes to win games right now. I don't see it as emotional at all…you went that route and understood that there's a process when choosing to move up for a QB that young and not having a ton of experience.

The difference is Brock had 1,500 passing attempts coming into the league. His baseline was he's seen a ton of football. That's great in the short-term. Now give Lance 1,500 passing attempts with Kyle and tell me if you think he will improve. IMO I think he will have. Do I think Brock will improve as much? I don't know. I like to go with the talent/skill set in that situation.

I know I'm in the minority, but I think it's okay to take one step back to take 10 steps ahead long-term. You gotta have faith in your team that they can keep replenishing the roster and coach as well as they have.

I think where we disagree is the taking a step back to take 10 steps forward. Building a roster like this is extremely difficult and doesn't come by too often. So I'm not comfortable with taking an unnecessary risk to jeopardize the teams aspirations.

if Trey was starting and healthy, maybe he's doing what Purdy is doing or better, but we will never know this season. All we know is we have a QB playing at a high level and the absolutely ONLY knocks against Purdy is either "he is a 7th round rookie" or "we spent a lot of picks on Trey, he should be starting".

i just wish Trey would of showed more promise in his few starts, but that's okay, doesn't mean he won't be a great QB.

Yeah, in a perfect world, we give Trey Lance 1500 snaps and the roster doesn't age and salary cap figures stay stable... But unfortunately, the reality is that players do get older and we can't afford to keep anyone. Our championship window is open now, and if it means Purdy is the best chance to win now & 2023, you go with him at the presumptive starter until Brock/Trey show otherwise.

I've been saying it though and will repeat it here ---Even though we roll with Purdy, we should NOT give up on Trey Lance and trade him away (unless someone trades a boatload of picks/capital for him). As this season has shown us, at the very least, we need two quality QB's. Purdy's not the biggest guy himself and already got banged up in his first start.

Bit I'm of the opinion that Trey Lance isn't as far behind as we think. I'm confident that Brock & Jimmy execute the passing offense much more efficiently, but because of what Trey brings with his perceived threat as a runner and his arm strength, it just opens up our offense quite a bit. I don't want to feature Trey as a runner because it got his ankle broken in Week 2, but Shanahan has voiced that that's a big reason why we drafted Trey. If he's in the lineup, we're going to run A LOT, and I think it'd be a fair bet to say that we'd have a great rushing scheme that opens up the play action. I don't really care about QB's passing numbers, so much as a care about the overall offense's productivity. If a Trey Lance-led offense means that we're able to rush for 175-200 yards a game, 150-200 yards of efficient passing and some chunk plays, and TD's in the red zone, win Time of Possession, minimal turnovers/bad plays, then that's good.
Just for the hell of it and change the pace of convo - let's say Trey starts next year and he gets injured again and either missed a majority of the games or out for the season.

At that point - three years in and we would know absolutely nothing more than we know now. Lol in my opinion, the experiment should be over at that point if Purdy is still playing well.

it's unbelievably annoying that we have had this guy for two years and know essentially nothing more about him than what we did on draft day. I'm not blaming Trey for all of this, it's just annoying and such a waste. I really think that the trade for Trey will go down as a blunder and waste, they'll save face if Purdy pans out though.not saying he will be a bust, I just don't think he's ever going to end up being a consistent reliable starter for the 49ers but will find a spot on another team in a few years.
[ Edited by tankle104 on Dec 22, 2022 at 11:07 AM ]
Originally posted by Wubbie:
Yeah, in a perfect world, we give Trey Lance 1500 snaps and the roster doesn't age and salary cap figures stay stable... But unfortunately, the reality is that players do get older and we can't afford to keep anyone. Our championship window is open now, and if it means Purdy is the best chance to win now & 2023, you go with him at the presumptive starter until Brock/Trey show otherwise.

I've been saying it though and will repeat it here ---Even though we roll with Purdy, we should NOT give up on Trey Lance and trade him away (unless someone trades a boatload of picks/capital for him). As this season has shown us, at the very least, we need two quality QB's. Purdy's not the biggest guy himself and already got banged up in his first start.

Bit I'm of the opinion that Trey Lance isn't as far behind as we think. I'm confident that Brock & Jimmy execute the passing offense much more efficiently, but because of what Trey brings with his perceived threat as a runner and his arm strength, it just opens up our offense quite a bit. I don't want to feature Trey as a runner because it got his ankle broken in Week 2, but Shanahan has voiced that that's a big reason why we drafted Trey. If he's in the lineup, we're going to run A LOT, and I think it'd be a fair bet to say that we'd have a great rushing scheme that opens up the play action. I don't really care about QB's passing numbers, so much as a care about the overall offense's productivity. If a Trey Lance-led offense means that we're able to rush for 175-200 yards a game, 150-200 yards of efficient passing and some chunk plays, and TD's in the red zone, win Time of Possession, minimal turnovers/bad plays, then that's good.

If Kyle plans to keep running Trey like this - we might as well just never discuss him again. Lol he will be injured often. Trey doesn't even know how to slide for Christ sake. Lol the dude will continue to get absolutely destroyed out there.
Originally posted by thl408:
It's an odd spot for blue chip college QBs. Many of them have physical traits that NFL scouts drool over. This puts them high on draft boards and causes them to enter the draft early, when in actuality, another season of college ball would prepare them well for the NFL. I get it, money talks, but another year of college ball would have done well for many of these junior classmen.

Yup it's just how the game is played in college (& lack of overall development), the fear of getting hurt before getting that contract and like you said NFL scouts telling you you're gonna get drafted high because of traits and upside.

I think Brock and Pickett were the only 4 yr starters drafted this past yr and there wasn't any the yr before. The whole Parcells rule of drafting a QB is not realistic anymore. Now your most athletic players who can throw are becoming QBs at a young age. I see all these young QBs that are getting recruited (paid) to sign at the big programs, they ain't Tom Brady or Drew Brees lol.

Learning to play in the pocket and deal with everything that comes with it doesn't really happen in college or all these QB camps…That's a learned trait and that often happens mostly on the fly in the NFL. Half these kids have barely taken a snap under center coming into the league, let alone understand coverages.

Guys like Herbert and Mahomes who come out the gate elite isn't the norm & and even so they're using their elite traits like arm talent/athleticism to make plays.
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Beating a blitz is more about anticipation and presnap awareness. I'm looking at his release/throwing motion just from yesterday and it's nothing special or even greatly different than Lance's, while making the same throw. this has nothing to do with hating on Brock and pointing out how much people s**t on Lance over something as stupid (and factually incorrect) as his slow release. Especially if you think Brock has a "quick" release.

outside of running a couple more read options/QB powers. What exactly didn't Lance run or what was he incapable of doing? We saw bootlegs, yankee concepts, in breaking routes, play action both under center and from the gun. People are trying to embellish/rewrite the past. Sure he wasn't amazing in a couple QRs of football. He wasn't consistent. It wasn't all s**t either.

Brock is doing is thing and I'm here to see how it plays out. I hope he becomes the next Drew Brees or whatever. There's a long way to determine that, 2 starts is just that. Two starts.

Can you even name a rookie QB having a more impressive first 3 games of their career (exclude KC garbage time, include the Dolphins game since he played all but first drive and the team was trailing when he got in the game)? Sure Aaron Rodgers and Jimmy Garoppolo had a great start in their career, but they were sitting on the bench for several seasons. Rookie QB? I can't think of any.

You made an argument how unready rookie QB are and that none of them are ready to play in the NFL right away. Well, we have Purdy, but you are not impressed by his performance. But you think Trey wasn't very bad. You think he was good here and there. Let me tell you this. The vast majority of 1st round bust QB can probably flash here and there.

This is a complete double standard.

Justin Herbert (Three 300 yards passing games), Cam Newton ( Two 400 yards passing games), Mac Jones, Andrew Luck, and Ben Roethlisberger, to name a few, had more impressive 3 game starts than Brock Purdy, especially given that they were week 1 starters.

Brock has played well, but it's prudent to temper expectations and to view his performance in the appropriate context of coaching, surrounding talent, competition (e.g. Miami's defense gives up 32 points on the road on avg.), and stepping in towards the end of the season when the team is clicking.

With that said, in my opinion (and it's just an opinion no matter how well supported or articulated), Purdy has less of an upside than Lance, but he's good enough to manage this offense to a SB under the right circumstances.

Justin Herbert:. 5TD, 3 int and 2 fumbles
Cam Newton:. 4TD, 4 INT
Mac Jones:. 2TD, 3INT plus 2 fumbles
Andrew Luck:. 5TD, 4 INT plus 1 fumble
Ben Rothlisberger:. 4TD, 3INT

I am not going to rewatch their games, but it unlikely any of them actually did better than Brock.

Mia defense is average, Seahawks is below average, Tamp Bay has a good defense.

Let's remembered, Tom Brady didn't really carried the team in his first season as a starter either. Drew Brees wasn't deemed in franchise QB after his 3rd full season.

Purdy has less upside than Trey. Base on the so call potential, he is only Drew Brees with better mobility and stronger arm. That is enough potential for me.
Originally posted by tankle104:
I think where we disagree is the taking a step back to take 10 steps forward. Building a roster like this is extremely difficult and doesn't come by too often. So I'm not comfortable with taking an unnecessary risk to jeopardize the teams aspirations.

if Trey was starting and healthy, maybe he's doing what Purdy is doing or better, but we will never know this season. All we know is we have a QB playing at a high level and the absolutely ONLY knocks against Purdy is either "he is a 7th round rookie" or "we spent a lot of picks on Trey, he should be starting".

i just wish Trey would of showed more promise in his few starts, but that's okay, doesn't mean he won't be a great QB.

If taking a step back for a year equals taken 10 steps forward for the next decade then how does that jeopardize anything? If you get a legit FQB out of it then it makes everything better. Our roster isn't full of old vets.

IMO our coaching staff and FO have shown they can find talent and continue to do so, there's no reason to think they will all of sudden suck at their jobs.

I don't care when he got drafted, I do care about it being sustainable and there being legit upside to be great. Brock has some very good attributes, he also has limitations that overall can't be taught or improved much more. If he turns into Drew Brees (which is what he has to be become due to the lack traits elsewhere) then hell yeah. I'm being realistic here though. That's highly unlikely, but I'm gonna watch and see like everyone else.

I thought Trey had some plays that showed you why he was drafted where he was. That is showing promise. kid hadn't played legit football since 2019, not sure what you're expecting? I'm not saying he will be the next Hurts but we will never know until he actually gets to play some meaningful football, but that's s**t to worry about next yr
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Originally posted by tankle104:
Just for the hell of it and change the pace of convo - let's say Trey starts next year and he gets injured again and either missed a majority of the games or out for the season.

At that point - three years in and we would know absolutely nothing more than we know now. Lol in my opinion, the experiment should be over at that point if Purdy is still playing well.

it's unbelievably annoying that we have had this guy for two years and know essentially nothing more about him than what we did on draft day. I'm not blaming Trey for all of this, it's just annoying and such a waste. I really think that the trade for Trey will go down as a blunder and waste, they'll save face if Purdy pans out though.not saying he will be a bust, I just don't think he's ever going to end up being a consistent reliable starter for the 49ers but will find a spot on another team in a few years.

Pretend Brock is Mac Jones, taken #3 overall, and Lance is the last pick of the draft. Feel better?
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Justin Herbert:. 5TD, 3 int and 2 fumbles
Cam Newton:. 4TD, 4 INT
Mac Jones:. 2TD, 3INT plus 2 fumbles
Andrew Luck:. 5TD, 4 INT plus 1 fumble
Ben Rothlisberger:. 4TD, 3INT

I am not going to rewatch their games, but it unlikely any of them actually did better than Brock.

Mia defense is average, Seahawks is below average, Tamp Bay has a good defense.

Let's remembered, Tom Brady didn't really carried the team in his first season as a starter either. Drew Brees wasn't deemed in franchise QB after his 3rd full season.

Purdy has less upside than Trey. Base on the so call potential, he is only Drew Brees with better mobility and stronger arm. That is enough potential for me.

He does not have a stronger arm than Drew Brees.

why didn't you put up how many yards they put up? Or passing attempts? Newton/luck and Herbert sure as s**t weren't playing on a Super Bowl roster either. Context.

Brock ran the offense and made the plays he was suppose to make. He even extended some plays which is more than we can say about Jimmy. I'm not hating on Brock, but if the goal is Drew Brees I mean let's take a step back lol.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by tankle104:
I think where we disagree is the taking a step back to take 10 steps forward. Building a roster like this is extremely difficult and doesn't come by too often. So I'm not comfortable with taking an unnecessary risk to jeopardize the teams aspirations.

if Trey was starting and healthy, maybe he's doing what Purdy is doing or better, but we will never know this season. All we know is we have a QB playing at a high level and the absolutely ONLY knocks against Purdy is either "he is a 7th round rookie" or "we spent a lot of picks on Trey, he should be starting".

i just wish Trey would of showed more promise in his few starts, but that's okay, doesn't mean he won't be a great QB.

If taking a step back for a year equals taken 10 steps forward for the next decade then how does that jeopardize anything? If you get a legit FQB out of it then it makes everything better. Our roster isn't full of old vets.

IMO our coaching staff and FO have shown they can find talent and continue to do so, there's no reason to think they will all of sudden suck at their jobs.

I don't care when he got drafted, I do care about it being sustainable and there being legit upside to be great. Brock has some very good attributes, he also has limitations that overall can't be taught or improved much more. If he turns into Drew Brees (which is what he has to be become due to the lack traits elsewhere) then hell yeah. I'm being realistic here though. That's highly unlikely, but I'm gonna watch and see like everyone else.

I thought Trey had some plays that showed you why he was drafted where he was. That is showing promise. kid hadn't played legit football since 2019, not sure what you're expecting? I'm not saying he will be the next Hurts but we will never know until he actually gets to play some meaningful football, but that's s**t to worry about next yr

Mmm. I don't think we should ever purposely tank a season for Trey to become a Franchise QB, especially when our championship window is wide-open now.
But I don't think Trey is so far behind in his development that we can't compete with him now.

All in all, we'll be fine though. Purdy and Lance make for a promising QB room in 2023.
[ Edited by Wubbie on Dec 22, 2022 at 11:29 AM ]
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Wubbie:
Yeah, in a perfect world, we give Trey Lance 1500 snaps and the roster doesn't age and salary cap figures stay stable... But unfortunately, the reality is that players do get older and we can't afford to keep anyone. Our championship window is open now, and if it means Purdy is the best chance to win now & 2023, you go with him at the presumptive starter until Brock/Trey show otherwise.

I've been saying it though and will repeat it here ---Even though we roll with Purdy, we should NOT give up on Trey Lance and trade him away (unless someone trades a boatload of picks/capital for him). As this season has shown us, at the very least, we need two quality QB's. Purdy's not the biggest guy himself and already got banged up in his first start.

Bit I'm of the opinion that Trey Lance isn't as far behind as we think. I'm confident that Brock & Jimmy execute the passing offense much more efficiently, but because of what Trey brings with his perceived threat as a runner and his arm strength, it just opens up our offense quite a bit. I don't want to feature Trey as a runner because it got his ankle broken in Week 2, but Shanahan has voiced that that's a big reason why we drafted Trey. If he's in the lineup, we're going to run A LOT, and I think it'd be a fair bet to say that we'd have a great rushing scheme that opens up the play action. I don't really care about QB's passing numbers, so much as a care about the overall offense's productivity. If a Trey Lance-led offense means that we're able to rush for 175-200 yards a game, 150-200 yards of efficient passing and some chunk plays, and TD's in the red zone, win Time of Possession, minimal turnovers/bad plays, then that's good.

If Kyle plans to keep running Trey like this - we might as well just never discuss him again. Lol he will be injured often. Trey doesn't even know how to slide for Christ sake. Lol the dude will continue to get absolutely destroyed out there.

I agree. While I'm largely on-board with Shanahan's decisions, running Trey regularly on QB Power in move-the-ball situations is not one of them. I DO agree we should feature Trey's running abilities, but we need to be more judicious on when we call those plays... because in hindsight, it broke our QB1's ankle in week 2.
Perhaps it really was just a freak occurrence, but not something I'd like to tempt fate on.

Unfortunately, I don't think Shanahan will change his thinking on this, but I do hope that they design/coach these plays with the QB's safety in mind.

Certain playcalls, like designing receiver routes and pass protections so that it clears the middle of the field, so that Trey can have an option to run it are very nice. We called this type of pseudo-QB draw a couple times against the Cardinals, and I think this is a good example of how to safely run Trey. Trey has the ability to see defenders and slide appropriately.

Trey could also stand to get better on reading option plays, but the QB option needs be designed/coached so that he can clearly discern whether he should make a "business decision" and get down safely. IIRC, Kaepernick was always very good about protecting himself on runs. There were some plays that he quickly figured out that there isn't a play and just got down.
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