Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
ANY topic discussing Trey is about what ifs. If he had the necessary talents we wouldn't be talking about live reps

Did guys like allen and Hurts have all the necessary talent from day 1? Nope their play early in their career backed that up. Did they get better with more live reps? Sure f**king did. Why didn't Mahomes play from day 1 if he had all the necessary talents?

yeah you can form what ifs to backup any narrative you want to push, hence why I think it's kinda pointless banter. Any young player is what ifs unless they're one of the rare prospects that become pro-bowlers year 1 and even that isn't always 100% in the long-term.

IMO the only people talking in absolutes about Lance are the ones that hated the pick from day 1 or were Jimmy truthers. It's pretty clear when you have any discussion about Lance in the WZ.

The better Brock looks, the worse Jimmy looks (so easy a rookie can do it). The worse Jimmy looks, the more Lance gets crapped on. This is a glimpse into all the NinerTalk QB threads during the 2023 offseason. Buckle up.

Hell yeah!

This makes no sense to me why cant both QBs be good? if thats the case why is there sucha split from with and without Jimmy? I think both are good to great QBs

It shows the success was not due to something unique JG had. It is more likely due to team talent and scheme.

This was the premise of the argument to get a new QB and why people respond with vitriol to the "he just wins" arguments.

this opinion would kind of mean you can plug in ANY QB and this team wins. i dont think that would be necessarily true.

maybe both JG and BP are talented QBs in their own right.

I agree that not any QB can be plugged in and win. Some QBs are atrocious at QBing and no amount of skill players on offense can make up for that. Jimmy was playing well and operated the offense efficiently in a game manager role.

Originally posted by libertyforever:
I don't think your argument there make sense. It actually makes perfect sense for those admitting it to crap on Lance for not be much more productive under Kyle

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by thl408:
Jimmy was having a good season, then some rookie comes in and is doing the same thing Jimmy was, while sprinkling in some playmaking ability. It makes the 49er QB position look plug and play. My post was in reference to those that were adamant that Jimmy was who made Kyle a winning coach. There's a thread where over 40% of folks who participated in the poll thought that Kyle was the bottleneck of the offense - that 40% was wrong. So rather than admit it, they crap on Lance to divert attention away from how Jimmy was simply doing basic QB things. Just the way I see it.

I don't think your argument there make sense. It actually makes perfect sense for those admitting it to crap on Lance for not be much more productive under Kyle

It's a familiar cast of characters that upped the criticism of Lance once Brock was showing he can provide what Jimmy did. It's a small group. Hang around in the 2023 offseason and you might see what I mean. I could be wrong.

Originally posted by thl408:
Jimmy was having a good season, then some rookie comes in and is doing the same thing Jimmy was, while sprinkling in some playmaking ability. It makes the 49er QB position look plug and play. My post was in reference to those that were adamant that Jimmy was who made Kyle a winning coach. There's a thread where over 40% of folks who participated in the poll thought that Kyle was the bottleneck of the offense - that 40% was wrong. So rather than admit it, they crap on Lance to divert attention away from how Jimmy was simply doing basic QB things. Just the way I see it.

Its the way anyone who isnt biased against Lance for whatever reason and/or biased for Jimmy sees it.

So much division in here

Originally posted by thl408:
It's a familiar cast of characters that upped the criticism of Lance once Brock was showing he can provide what Jimmy did. It's a small group. Hang around in the 2023 offseason and you might see what I mean. I could be wrong.

The only way you could be wrong is if Brock falls back down to earth, which is something none of us wants.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
So much division in here

It will be nice to one day have a QB that is good enough that everyone can get behind. Not root for, but get behind.

Jimmy lover/hater, Lance lover/hater

meanwhile Brock in the middle, doing the damn thang not giving a fvck

Originally posted by thl408:
It's a familiar cast of characters that upped the criticism of Lance once Brock was showing he can provide what Jimmy did. It's a small group. Hang around in the 2023 offseason and you might see what I mean. I could be wrong.

Ok. I see familiar profile names but I never remembered what were their stances.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
So much division in here

It will be nice to one day have a QB that is good enough that everyone can get behind. Not root for, but get behind.

It's been around 25 years since we've had one of those. It has to happen eventually....right? Lol

and even then, there were some that hated Young. *cough* Mayo *cough*

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Jimmy lover/hater, Lance lover/hater

meanwhile Brock in the middle, doing the damn thang not giving a fvck

Im a Jimmy fan but not lover. I'm a Lance doubter but not a hater.

I am a Brock lover. This is what I envisioned the passing game to look like with Mac. Brock's mobility makes it look even better than that.

Now just need him to keep it up.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Jimmy lover/hater, Lance lover/hater

meanwhile Brock in the middle, doing the damn thang not giving a fvck

it's so bad here that when you make a positive comment about one or point out a bad take about another, you get labeled. some here think it's not possible to have a positive opinion about all three of the QBs that have started this year.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
So much division in here

It will be nice to one day have a QB that is good enough that everyone can get behind. Not root for, but get behind.

I'm firmly behind Brock right now. It is possible to firmly support him and cheer for him, without having to still be against Trey. People are calling for Trey to be traded or cut, but the team would gain nothing from that. I was fully behind Jimmy also. I just want a damn trophy. Next year we may have 2 great QBs, what is wrong with that? To me, the absolute perfect scenario would be if this developed into another Joe Montana/Steve Young problem. Iron sharpens iron. But one can only dream.

Originally posted by krizay:
Im a Jimmy fan but not lover. I'm a Lance doubter but not a hater.

I am a Brock lover. This is what I envisioned the passing game to look like with Mac. Brock's mobility makes it look even better than that.

Now just need him to keep it up.

That's understandable.

Ive stated so many times, that I'm behind whoever can help this team win.

Originally posted by boast:
it's so bad here that when you make a positive comment about one or point out a bad take about another, you get labeled. some here think it's not possible to have a positive opinion about all three of the QBs that have started this year.

Main reason for QB threads turning toxic. Everything is binary. If you love one then you must hate the other, and vice versa. And some are just here to fan the flames.

I think the problem about talking potential after a player has been drafted, is that majority of the players never reached their full potential. Every single 1st round pick QB has the so call "potential" to be the franchise QB and probably half of them are complete busts.

The QB position is more mental than physical. Tom Brady and Joe Montana had mid to low potential as a prospect coming out of college, same with Purdy. I am not saying Purdy will be as good as Tom Brady or Joe Montana at all, but I would say he has the "potential" to be similarly good. It is really about how good he can be mentally in reading defense and shine under pressure.