Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
ANY topic discussing Trey is about what ifs. If he had the necessary talents we wouldn't be talking about live reps

Did guys like allen and Hurts have all the necessary talent from day 1? Nope their play early in their career backed that up. Did they get better with more live reps? Sure f**king did. Why didn't Mahomes play from day 1 if he had all the necessary talents?

yeah you can form what ifs to backup any narrative you want to push, hence why I think it's kinda pointless banter. Any young player is what ifs unless they're one of the rare prospects that become pro-bowlers year 1 and even that isn't always 100% in the long-term.

IMO the only people talking in absolutes about Lance are the ones that hated the pick from day 1 or were Jimmy truthers. It's pretty clear when you have any discussion about Lance in the WZ.

The better Brock looks, the worse Jimmy looks (so easy a rookie can do it). The worse Jimmy looks, the more Lance gets crapped on. This is a glimpse into all the NinerTalk QB threads during the 2023 offseason. Buckle up.

Hell yeah!

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
ANY topic discussing Trey is about what ifs. If he had the necessary talents we wouldn't be talking about live reps

Did guys like allen and Hurts have all the necessary talent from day 1? Nope their play early in their career backed that up. Did they get better with more live reps? Sure f**king did. Why didn't Mahomes play from day 1 if he had all the necessary talents?

yeah you can form what ifs to backup any narrative you want to push, hence why I think it's kinda pointless banter. Any young player is what ifs unless they're one of the rare prospects that become pro-bowlers year 1 and even that isn't always 100% in the long-term.

IMO the only people talking in absolutes about Lance are the ones that hated the pick from day 1 or were Jimmy truthers. It's pretty clear when you have any discussion about Lance in the WZ.

The better Brock looks, the worse Jimmy looks (so easy a rookie can do it). The worse Jimmy looks, the more Lance gets crapped on. This is a glimpse into all the NinerTalk QB threads during the 2023 offseason. Buckle up.

Hell yeah!

This makes no sense to me why cant both QBs be good? if thats the case why is there sucha split from with and without Jimmy? I think both are good to great QBs

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Did guys like allen and Hurts have all the necessary talent from day 1? Nope their play early in their career backed that up. Did they get better with more live reps? Sure f**king did. Why didn't Mahomes play from day 1 if he had all the necessary talents?

yeah you can form what ifs to backup any narrative you want to push, hence why I think it's kinda pointless banter. Any young player is what ifs unless they're one of the rare prospects that become pro-bowlers year 1 and even that isn't always 100% in the long-term.

IMO the only people talking in absolutes about Lance are the ones that hated the pick from day 1 or were Jimmy truthers. It's pretty clear when you have any discussion about Lance in the WZ.

You are confusing.

You say

I could say he does have the talent in the necessary areas all the same.

Then compare him to guys you admit didn't have necessary talent

Did guys like allen and Hurts have all the necessary talent from day 1? Nope their play early in their career backed that up

You then say...

yeah you can form what ifs to backup any narrative you want to push,

Then follow that up with

IMO the only people talking in absolutes

So I'm talking in whataboutisms and absolutes?

And here's my favorite.

Any young player is what ifs unless they're one of the rare prospects that become pro-bowlers year 1

I know a guy...

I would think Kyle and the rest of the team would prefer the bird in the hand rather than the bird in the bush.

Some people don't get that potential is not real until it is realized and you do not win Super Bowls on hypothetical potential. Trey has not proved he has what it takes yet and his potential is not realized and no one knows whether it will.

On the other hand Purdy is balling and will stay the starter unless he gets hurt.

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
ANY topic discussing Trey is about what ifs. If he had the necessary talents we wouldn't be talking about live reps

Did guys like allen and Hurts have all the necessary talent from day 1? Nope their play early in their career backed that up. Did they get better with more live reps? Sure f**king did. Why didn't Mahomes play from day 1 if he had all the necessary talents?

yeah you can form what ifs to backup any narrative you want to push, hence why I think it's kinda pointless banter. Any young player is what ifs unless they're one of the rare prospects that become pro-bowlers year 1 and even that isn't always 100% in the long-term.

IMO the only people talking in absolutes about Lance are the ones that hated the pick from day 1 or were Jimmy truthers. It's pretty clear when you have any discussion about Lance in the WZ.

The better Brock looks, the worse Jimmy looks (so easy a rookie can do it). The worse Jimmy looks, the more Lance gets crapped on. This is a glimpse into all the NinerTalk QB threads during the 2023 offseason. Buckle up.

Hell yeah!

This makes no sense to me why cant both QBs be good? if thats the case why is there sucha split from with and without Jimmy? I think both are good to great QBs

Well, one is good and one is only potentially good.

Originally posted by Goatie:
Well, one is good and one is only potentially good.

And the one potentially won't get the live reps needed to reach said potential

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
ANY topic discussing Trey is about what ifs. If he had the necessary talents we wouldn't be talking about live reps

Did guys like allen and Hurts have all the necessary talent from day 1? Nope their play early in their career backed that up. Did they get better with more live reps? Sure f**king did. Why didn't Mahomes play from day 1 if he had all the necessary talents?

yeah you can form what ifs to backup any narrative you want to push, hence why I think it's kinda pointless banter. Any young player is what ifs unless they're one of the rare prospects that become pro-bowlers year 1 and even that isn't always 100% in the long-term.

IMO the only people talking in absolutes about Lance are the ones that hated the pick from day 1 or were Jimmy truthers. It's pretty clear when you have any discussion about Lance in the WZ.

The better Brock looks, the worse Jimmy looks (so easy a rookie can do it). The worse Jimmy looks, the more Lance gets crapped on. This is a glimpse into all the NinerTalk QB threads during the 2023 offseason. Buckle up.

Hell yeah!

This makes no sense to me why cant both QBs be good? if thats the case why is there sucha split from with and without Jimmy? I think both are good to great QBs

It shows the success was not due to something unique JG had. It is more likely due to team talent and scheme.

This was the premise of the argument to get a new QB and why people respond with vitriol to the "he just wins" arguments.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by thl408:
The better Brock looks, the worse Jimmy looks (so easy a rookie can do it). The worse Jimmy looks, the more Lance gets crapped on. This is a glimpse into all the NinerTalk QB threads during the 2023 offseason. Buckle up.

Or...

The better Brock looks, the worse Lance looks (so easy a rookie can do it). The worse Lance looks, the more Lance gets crapped on. This is a glimpse into all the NinerTalk QB threads during the 2023 offseason. Buckle up.

Ive only seen a few bring up Jimmy (or Jimmy lovers) in here, and it's not the group you're alluding to.

Good post. That works too. Don't forget that Lance is an inexperienced player that has a chance to improve and the other is Jimmy.

Lance can only go up from what he has shown.

The other is Brock, who is also inexperienced and has a chance to improve.

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
ANY topic discussing Trey is about what ifs. If he had the necessary talents we wouldn't be talking about live reps

Did guys like allen and Hurts have all the necessary talent from day 1? Nope their play early in their career backed that up. Did they get better with more live reps? Sure f**king did. Why didn't Mahomes play from day 1 if he had all the necessary talents?

yeah you can form what ifs to backup any narrative you want to push, hence why I think it's kinda pointless banter. Any young player is what ifs unless they're one of the rare prospects that become pro-bowlers year 1 and even that isn't always 100% in the long-term.

IMO the only people talking in absolutes about Lance are the ones that hated the pick from day 1 or were Jimmy truthers. It's pretty clear when you have any discussion about Lance in the WZ.

The better Brock looks, the worse Jimmy looks (so easy a rookie can do it). The worse Jimmy looks, the more Lance gets crapped on. This is a glimpse into all the NinerTalk QB threads during the 2023 offseason. Buckle up.

Hell yeah!

This makes no sense to me why cant both QBs be good? if thats the case why is there sucha split from with and without Jimmy? I think both are good to great QBs

Jimmy was having a good season, then some rookie comes in and is doing the same thing Jimmy was, while sprinkling in some playmaking ability. It makes the 49er QB position look plug and play. My post was in reference to those that were adamant that Jimmy was who made Kyle a winning coach. There's a thread where over 40% of folks who participated in the poll thought that Kyle was the bottleneck of the offense - that 40% was wrong. So rather than admit it, they crap on Lance to divert attention away from how Jimmy was simply doing basic QB things. Just the way I see it.

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
ANY topic discussing Trey is about what ifs. If he had the necessary talents we wouldn't be talking about live reps

Did guys like allen and Hurts have all the necessary talent from day 1? Nope their play early in their career backed that up. Did they get better with more live reps? Sure f**king did. Why didn't Mahomes play from day 1 if he had all the necessary talents?

yeah you can form what ifs to backup any narrative you want to push, hence why I think it's kinda pointless banter. Any young player is what ifs unless they're one of the rare prospects that become pro-bowlers year 1 and even that isn't always 100% in the long-term.

IMO the only people talking in absolutes about Lance are the ones that hated the pick from day 1 or were Jimmy truthers. It's pretty clear when you have any discussion about Lance in the WZ.

The better Brock looks, the worse Jimmy looks (so easy a rookie can do it). The worse Jimmy looks, the more Lance gets crapped on. This is a glimpse into all the NinerTalk QB threads during the 2023 offseason. Buckle up.

Hell yeah!

This makes no sense to me why cant both QBs be good? if thats the case why is there sucha split from with and without Jimmy? I think both are good to great QBs

It shows the success was not due to something unique JG had. It is more likely due to team talent and scheme.

This was the premise of the argument to get a new QB and why people respond with vitriol to the "he just wins" arguments.

this opinion would kind of mean you can plug in ANY QB and this team wins. i dont think that would be necessarily true.

maybe both JG and BP are talented QBs in their own right.

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
ANY topic discussing Trey is about what ifs. If he had the necessary talents we wouldn't be talking about live reps

Did guys like allen and Hurts have all the necessary talent from day 1? Nope their play early in their career backed that up. Did they get better with more live reps? Sure f**king did. Why didn't Mahomes play from day 1 if he had all the necessary talents?

yeah you can form what ifs to backup any narrative you want to push, hence why I think it's kinda pointless banter. Any young player is what ifs unless they're one of the rare prospects that become pro-bowlers year 1 and even that isn't always 100% in the long-term.

IMO the only people talking in absolutes about Lance are the ones that hated the pick from day 1 or were Jimmy truthers. It's pretty clear when you have any discussion about Lance in the WZ.

The better Brock looks, the worse Jimmy looks (so easy a rookie can do it). The worse Jimmy looks, the more Lance gets crapped on. This is a glimpse into all the NinerTalk QB threads during the 2023 offseason. Buckle up.

Hell yeah!

This makes no sense to me why cant both QBs be good? if thats the case why is there sucha split from with and without Jimmy? I think both are good to great QBs

It shows the success was not due to something unique JG had. It is more likely due to team talent and scheme.

This was the premise of the argument to get a new QB and why people respond with vitriol to the "he just wins" arguments.

The stats show that JG is still more efficient that both Purdy and Lance. In fact JG is the second most efficient QB in the league behind Mahomes. The notion that it was just the rest of the team that was the reason JG is really shallow. Even the best QB cannot win if the team around him is not great. Look at Brady and Rogers for example. JG game has improved considerably since his shoulder surgery and coupled with a good roster and Gruice's coaching there was a 70 percent win rate which is enormous given he had no training camp or preseason reps.

So if JG went to the Texans he would not make them winners. But neither would Lance or Purdy. I do not agree with your proposition.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
ANY topic discussing Trey is about what ifs. If he had the necessary talents we wouldn't be talking about live reps

Did guys like allen and Hurts have all the necessary talent from day 1? Nope their play early in their career backed that up. Did they get better with more live reps? Sure f**king did. Why didn't Mahomes play from day 1 if he had all the necessary talents?

yeah you can form what ifs to backup any narrative you want to push, hence why I think it's kinda pointless banter. Any young player is what ifs unless they're one of the rare prospects that become pro-bowlers year 1 and even that isn't always 100% in the long-term.

IMO the only people talking in absolutes about Lance are the ones that hated the pick from day 1 or were Jimmy truthers. It's pretty clear when you have any discussion about Lance in the WZ.

The better Brock looks, the worse Jimmy looks (so easy a rookie can do it). The worse Jimmy looks, the more Lance gets crapped on. This is a glimpse into all the NinerTalk QB threads during the 2023 offseason. Buckle up.

Hell yeah!

This makes no sense to me why cant both QBs be good? if thats the case why is there sucha split from with and without Jimmy? I think both are good to great QBs

It shows the success was not due to something unique JG had. It is more likely due to team talent and scheme.

This was the premise of the argument to get a new QB and why people respond with vitriol to the "he just wins" arguments.

this opinion would kind of mean you can plug in ANY QB and this team wins. i dont think that would be necessarily true.

maybe both JG and BP are talented QBs in their own right.

thats exactly where i am coming from too. Both Jimmy and BP now have top 3 efficiency numbers KS scheme is a huge part of that and that thread you are referencing is a joke we have consistantly been a top 5 offense this year top 3 since we got CMC

Trey just has to keep grinding and wait for his moment.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
ANY topic discussing Trey is about what ifs. If he had the necessary talents we wouldn't be talking about live reps

Did guys like allen and Hurts have all the necessary talent from day 1? Nope their play early in their career backed that up. Did they get better with more live reps? Sure f**king did. Why didn't Mahomes play from day 1 if he had all the necessary talents?

yeah you can form what ifs to backup any narrative you want to push, hence why I think it's kinda pointless banter. Any young player is what ifs unless they're one of the rare prospects that become pro-bowlers year 1 and even that isn't always 100% in the long-term.

IMO the only people talking in absolutes about Lance are the ones that hated the pick from day 1 or were Jimmy truthers. It's pretty clear when you have any discussion about Lance in the WZ.

The better Brock looks, the worse Jimmy looks (so easy a rookie can do it). The worse Jimmy looks, the more Lance gets crapped on. This is a glimpse into all the NinerTalk QB threads during the 2023 offseason. Buckle up.

Hell yeah!

This makes no sense to me why cant both QBs be good? if thats the case why is there sucha split from with and without Jimmy? I think both are good to great QBs

It shows the success was not due to something unique JG had. It is more likely due to team talent and scheme.

This was the premise of the argument to get a new QB and why people respond with vitriol to the "he just wins" arguments.

this opinion would kind of mean you can plug in ANY QB and this team wins. i dont think that would be necessarily true.

maybe both JG and BP are talented QBs in their own right.

Can't be. You can plug and play ANY QB, as we've seen with Hoyer, Beathard, Mullens

Originally posted by ritz126:
This makes no sense to me why cant both QBs be good? if thats the case why is there sucha split from with and without Jimmy? I think both are good to great QBs

Has this really not been explained ad nauseam over the last couple of years? Even if you havent seen the explanations, can you really not figure it out on your own? Sheesh.

Originally posted by thl408:
Jimmy was having a good season, then some rookie comes in and is doing the same thing Jimmy was, while sprinkling in some playmaking ability. It makes the 49er QB position look plug and play. My post was in reference to those that were adamant that Jimmy was who made Kyle a winning coach. There's a thread where over 40% of folks who participated in the poll thought that Kyle was the bottleneck of the offense - that 40% was wrong. So rather than admit it, they crap on Lance to divert attention away from how Jimmy was simply doing basic QB things. Just the way I see it.

I don't think your argument there make sense. It actually makes perfect sense for those admitting it to crap on Lance for not be much more productive under Kyle