Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I absolutely don't want him traded. We haven't even had chance to see him. I've seen plays that make me happy. I've seen some throws where I'm scratching my head as to how he possibly could have been drafted that high.

With that said, I have really nothing to go on. We haven't seen enough. The coaching staff however should have a good feeling as to how he's developed. I'm just here for the show.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
The guy I'm responding LITERALLY MENTIONED preseason.

Jimmy's 2021 Preseason stats:

10-16 105 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT,

Trey's 2022 Preseason stats:
11-17 141 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT

And this guy going to say that TREY looked bad in the pre-season. Please. 2020 JIMMY LOOKED WORSE. PERIOD. FACT. ACCEPT OBSERVABLE REALITY. GET OVER IT.

If this guy can judge Lance by pre-season and a freaking monsoon (where Trey looked better than Jimmy did in his own monsoon against the Colts), then I can judge Jimmy by his 2021 pre-season.

WE. DO. NOT. HAVE. ENOUGH. INFORMATION. TO. JUDGE. TREY. LANCE.

PERIOD.

I just made a similar statement a few pages ago about lance. I'm just laughing at the grant cohns who judge anyone by preseason reports.

We can judge Jimmy by his regular and postseason history. We can't judge trey yet. But I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed in how his career has started.

Lol well then. He brought up preseason, so hence why I responded as such. The point I was making is that that isn't a reliable indicator. So if you are making that same argument, then there's no disagreement on this one particular issue.

I've never judged anybody on preseason, but like I said there's not much else to go off with Lance, not even in college. He had a bad TC and it continued into games. He hasn't been good so far, not saying he will never be, but the arrow just isn't pointing up at this point man

Jimmy had bad TCs in 2019 and 2021. So I mean, what's going on here? WHy does that matter for one and not the other? I'll tell you why: Jimmy homerism.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

In 2021, Garoppolo's sum of practices were every bit as bad. Cohn actually kept track of the statistics. Same for 2019. THE 49ERS DEFENSE is why ALL QBs struggle in camp.

For 3 first rounders, I didn't expect to get a player that struggles all of TC and struggles against a Texans vanilla pre season defense.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Jimmy had bad TCs in 2019 and 2021. So I mean, what's going on here? WHy does that matter for one and not the other? I'll tell you why: Jimmy homerism.

You can look at my posts in the Jimmy thread, I'm not a big fan of his lol

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
In 2021, Garoppolo's sum of practices were every bit as bad. Cohn actually kept track of the statistics. Same for 2019. THE 49ERS DEFENSE is why ALL QBs struggle in camp.

For 3 first rounders, I didn't expect to get a player that struggles all of TC and struggles against a Texans vanilla pre season defense.

That wasn't all his fault. A couple plays were, but the pass protection was terrible—which is to be expected when BOTH starting tackles and one starting guard were out.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Allen finished his rookie year with 18 TDs and 12 INTs...pretty good.

Ans his first 6 games? Oh how about that completion % that people are so obsessed with? He had 10 passing TDs and 12 INTs his rookie yr. All of sudden we care about rushing TDs for QBs? Weird how that works lol

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
But Josh allen this
But Josh Allen that...


Why dont you tell me the stats for akili smiths first 6 starts, jamarcus, tim couch, rick mirer, or every other first round bust. Stop using Josh Allen as a way of showing trey lance is going to succeed, It shows he has a .09% chance of succeeding. Its possible, but is it probable at this point?

OR how about every damn young QB that succeeded? MOST didn't start off amazing. Your 1% Mahomes is even more unrealistic BUT that will be your measuring stick because you hate just about everything tied to Kyle.

The pt is like Lance, Allen was raw as s**t (actually more raw imo). They both were not recruited. They both played at sub level schools (actually think NDSU is a better school). Both were gonna take time. Both have skill sets that could have made them upper tier starting QBs. Both had drive and a chip on their shoulder. You will bypass all that because you want him and Kyle to fail. It's pretty pathetic.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I just made a similar statement a few pages ago about lance. I'm just laughing at the grant cohns who judge anyone by preseason reports.

We can judge Jimmy by his regular and postseason history. We can't judge trey yet. But I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed in how his career has started.

Lol you're disappointed BUT you're not judging. K

If I remember correctly you were part of the crowd that didn't want Lance to play his rookie yr.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
For 3 first rounders, I didn't expect to get a player that struggles all of TC and struggles against a Texans vanilla pre season defense.

How about our vanilla play calling on offense? Preseaon is stupid. He had 24 snaps with Justin Skule and Jordan Millis as his starting OTs. Kittle/Deebo/BA played for like one drive.

his first training camp as the starter playing consistently against one of the best defenses. Color me shocked he wasn't lighting it up in practice lol.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I just made a similar statement a few pages ago about lance. I'm just laughing at the grant cohns who judge anyone by preseason reports.

We can judge Jimmy by his regular and postseason history. We can't judge trey yet. But I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed in how his career has started.

Lol you're disappointed BUT you're not judging. K

If I remember correctly you were part of the crowd that didn't want Lance to play his rookie yr.

Of course I wanted him to sit because I knew he wasn't ready. I was right. Shanahan seemed to agree. It looked like he wasn't even ready this year if the reports about shanny convicing the locker room to back him up were true. . If he actually started last year and did well I'd be ecstatic. But he didn't. And that was disappointing. His start this year, though limited, was disappointing, and his injury was disappointing. You cant sit here and tell me you're not disappointed with how his career has started to-date I think all 49er fans are.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I just made a similar statement a few pages ago about lance. I'm just laughing at the grant cohns who judge anyone by preseason reports.

We can judge Jimmy by his regular and postseason history. We can't judge trey yet. But I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed in how his career has started.

Lol you're disappointed BUT you're not judging. K

If I remember correctly you were part of the crowd that didn't want Lance to play his rookie yr.

Of course I wanted him to sit because I knew he wasn't ready. I was right. Shanahan seemed to agree. It looked like he wasn't even ready this year if the reports about shanny convicing the locker room to back him up were true. . If he actually started last year and did well I'd be ecstatic. But he didn't. And that was disappointing. His start this year, though limited, was disappointing, and his injury was disappointing. You cant sit here and tell me you're not disappointed with how his career has started to-date I think all 49er fans are.

That's not about Trey being ready or not. That's about Jimmy having maximum charisma.

I wonder how he's doing? No reports on where he is in his recovery?

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Wrong. He became the starter based on his ability to run and throw deep. Stop. Jimmy did not beat Trey out, nor would he have in any open competition, because Shanahan planned from day one to play 11 on 11 football.

Based on TC reports and the way he looked in preseason I do not believe he would have beat Jimmy out in a legit competition. The Trey Lance move was because of Jimmys contract. He's not good enough to justify losing other key pieces. It was either keep Jimmy or lose other more important players.

There was no competition. Trey Lance was handed the job

THat's beacuse you've never read a preseason report on JIMMY, who looked WORSE in 2020 and 2019 (infamous 5 INTS in a row ring a bell?).

Mahomes has had a bad practice too. The problem with Lance is that he had like 3 good practices all TC. We don't have much to go off with Lance. He's barely played, including college, so I'm just using what's there

Trey is not better than Jimmy as a QB right now with how raw Trey is (1 full season as QB) that is completely normal.

It is also true you can see how much Trey improved from last year to this year he still needs to work on timing based throw. Even some of the throws he made in the mansoon game was super impressive.

I do agree he was handed the job but i also think the best way for him to get better now is playing time so i didnt mind i didnt expect to go to far this season with Trey as QB but understood it was a long term play with Jimmy i expect a deep playoff run

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Of course I wanted him to sit because I knew he wasn't ready. I was right. Shanahan seemed to agree.

So you like when Shanahan agrees with you? He's not a dumb*ss after all?

Don't turn into NC on us here.

Originally posted by ritz126:
Trey is not better than Jimmy as a QB right now with how raw Trey is. . . . .

Easiest thing in the world to do is make arguments on someone's ability when they are injured and can't prove otherwise.

Accomplishes absolutely nothing, however.

Originally posted by random49er:
Easiest thing in the world to do is make arguments on someone's ability when they are injured and can't prove otherwise.

Accomplishes absolutely nothing, however.

im going based on play if you are comparing to an injured Jimmy G which is what we had at the end of last season then yes you have an arguement but not compared against a healthy jimmy G