Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by cciowa:
Right now its piss poor.. i would settle for respectable.... and of course.... we are all just ASSUMING the line will be able to run block well..... if they can not even do that.

Right now it's piss poor with Mckivitz and Moore starting no doubt. Will it be piss poor with Trent and Brunskill at tackles? Remains to be seen.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Here's a good example of "It" factor to me. That feel good feeling, people even calling him "The One" after his first start. Lol

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/189603-qb-jimmy-garoppolo-thread/page492/

A lot of good stuff in there. Excitement, joy, a sense of relief.

I just don't get that seeing Trey Lance in college and his starts last season. Like I said he could go on to have a decent career, prove me wrong and win the Super Bowl, I'll wait.

We should sign Nick Foles. He definitely had "It" for his first couple starts too.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I can understand not being a Lance fan at this point since he hasn't had much playing time. It's hard to have a strong opinion on a player that hasn't been the regular starter until this season and has barely played in the pre season. I think 49er fans at least owe him a full season before they form their opinion. Jimmy got 4 years (2 injured) so we saw enough of him to know what he could and could not do. We don't know yet with Trey.

He didn't get that from the fan base. Jimmy was considered the next great QB for us after his five game span In 2017, then was considered mr "average" after we lost the super bowl, It's at that point most of us was screaming for an upgrade.

I do agree that Lance deserves a full season to prove himself, before judging him.

I just hope the OL doesn't hurt his development by allowing him to take unnecessary punishment due to poor protection.

great great post as always by sick. i applaud teams like the bengals.. they saw and were never in denial about their bad line in front of a legit franchise qb and took. non tepid steps to fix it. the team knew mack was going to retire and yet .. oh never f**king mind

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by cciowa:
Right now its piss poor.. i would settle for respectable.... and of course.... we are all just ASSUMING the line will be able to run block well..... if they can not even do that.

Right now it's piss poor with Mckivitz and Moore starting no doubt. Will it be piss poor with Trent and Brunskill at tackles? Remains to be seen.

The Interior of the OL Is just as much of a concern to me. It's gonna be a long season If we can't run the ball because one of those three guys are being pushed back.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
We are a super bowl or bust organization since the 80s. No knock on the hard work of our players yet we reserve the highest of status to our champions in most instances. Gore and Willis were the best at their respective positions as far as I can remember in this organization and would be on the all time team but they don't have that shiny ring

No team is a Super Bowl or bust team. The goal every year regardless of the franchise is to get to the playoffs. After that it's anyone's game.

The goal is to win a superbowl. Not make the playoffs. Make your argument to every cowboy fan and see if they're content making the playoffs only over the last 26 years. Ask Marvin Lewis as well.

There are teams who care about individual players and stats. They are the lions, chargers, and Browns etc. They are loser organizations.

This franchise was built on superbowls. Jed York will be the first to tell you that's how this organization is defined. Anything else to this organization is failure. I couldn't f**king care less if trey Lance makes 8 probiwls and is in the hall of fame by the end of his career. Did the niners win a superbowl with him? That's my first question.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I don't know if I agree with that statement. There are definitely teams where any result short of winning the Super Bowl is going to be seen as a failure (and not just by fans with unrealistic expectations). I don't think that applies to us this year, but it does to teams like the Chiefs and Bills.

disagree. Winning a SB requiring talent, coaching, quality QB play, and a s**t ton of luck. It's all

KC can lose Kelce week 4 they make the playoffs and lose…I wouldn't call that a bad season. I don't think last season was bad for KC even though they lost in the playoffs. I wouldn't call the Packers past couple seasons a failure.

point is s**t happens throughout a year and in the playoffs that simply can't be qualified. Bad bounce of the football. Blocked FG, injuries, jelling at the right time etc. goal should be making the playoffs and then anything can and does happen.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I can understand not being a Lance fan at this point since he hasn't had much playing time. It's hard to have a strong opinion on a player that hasn't been the regular starter until this season and has barely played in the pre season. I think 49er fans at least owe him a full season before they form their opinion. Jimmy got 4 years (2 injured) so we saw enough of him to know what he could and could not do. We don't know yet with Trey.

He didn't get that from the fan base. Jimmy was considered the next great QB for us after his five game span In 2017, then was considered mr "average" after we lost the super bowl, It's at that point most of us was screaming for an upgrade.

I do agree that Lance deserves a full season to prove himself, before judging him.

I just hope the OL doesn't hurt his development by allowing him to take unnecessary punishment due to poor protection.

I moved on from Jimmy halfway through in 2020. I didn't want to move on from him after the super bowl because that was basically his first year starting and I thought he would be able to get better with more experience in the Shanahan system. Once the next season hit though and Jimmy showed to really have not improved much plus another season ending injury was when I wanted to move on and 21 basically confirmed that he was who he was at that point.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
The goal is to win a superbowl. Not make the playoffs. Make your argument to every cowboy fan and see if they're content making the playoffs only over the last 26 years. Ask Marvin Lewis as well.

There are teams who care about individual players and stats. They are the lions, chargers, and Browns etc. They are loser organizations.

This franchise was built on superbowls. Jed York will be the first to tell you that's how this organization is defined. Anything else to this organization is failure. I could f**king care less if trey Lance makes 8 probiwls and is in the hall of fame by the end of his career. Did the niners win a superbowl with him? That's my first question.

I don't care about the cowboys. You need to be good to make the playoffs. Unless it's just a dogs**t division and you get in by default (which Dallas has done).

anything can and does happen in the playoffs. The best team does NOT win every game. This isn't a best of seven series. One blocked FG, one tipped pass or amazing catch changes the outcome of ONE game. That's the whole point. You gotta be good to make the playoffs, once you're in it's anyones game.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Here's a good example of "It" factor to me. That feel good feeling, people even calling him "The One" after his first start. Lol

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/189603-qb-jimmy-garoppolo-thread/page492/

A lot of good stuff in there. Excitement, joy, a sense of relief.

I just don't get that seeing Trey Lance in college and his starts last season. Like I said he could go on to have a decent career, prove me wrong and win the Super Bowl, I'll wait.

Haha you don't get that with Lance going undefeated with zero INTs in college. Winning the Walter Payton award and national championship as well.

Jimmy showed up with next to nothing as well. Won a couple of throw away games with yes some bad throws mixed in there like most QBs with little experience will have….they gave him over $100M after that.

lol you must dislike Jimmy because he lost SF a super bowl.

Originally posted by thl408:
How do you measure how much 'it' a player has? I'd say all NFLers have some level of 'it', that's how they made it this far, but PFF doesn't have any analytics for it-ness. Do you think a player can be up in the gym just working on his it-ness? Or is it-ness innate?

Imagine saying someone doesn't have the "it" factor based off next to nothing….completely silly take imo.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
We are a super bowl or bust organization since the 80s. No knock on the hard work of our players yet we reserve the highest of status to our champions in most instances. Gore and Willis were the best at their respective positions as far as I can remember in this organization and would be on the all time team but they don't have that shiny ring

No team is a Super Bowl or bust team. The goal every year regardless of the franchise is to get to the playoffs. After that it's anyone's game.

The goal is to win a superbowl. Not make the playoffs. Make your argument to every cowboy fan and see if they're content making the playoffs only over the last 26 years. Ask Marvin Lewis as well.

There are teams who care about individual players and stats. They are the lions, chargers, and Browns etc. They are loser organizations.

This franchise was built on superbowls. Jed York will be the first to tell you that's how this organization is defined. Anything else to this organization is failure. I couldn't f**king care less if trey Lance makes 8 probiwls and is in the hall of fame by the end of his career. Did the niners win a superbowl with him? That's my first question.

Viewing every season where we didn't win the Super Bowl as a failure seems like a miserable way to experience the game. Though you're not wrong that Lance's (and Shanahan's) tenure here will be viewed as a failure if we never win a Super Bowl or two.

" Lance doesn't have the benefit of starting for a team with few expectations and a 1-10 record." LOL. So now we've circled the wagons and are back to defending Lance with the very same quotes we use to tear down JG. Pretzel logic.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
The goal is to win a superbowl. Not make the playoffs. Make your argument to every cowboy fan and see if they're content making the playoffs only over the last 26 years. Ask Marvin Lewis as well.

There are teams who care about individual players and stats. They are the lions, chargers, and Browns etc. They are loser organizations.

This franchise was built on superbowls. Jed York will be the first to tell you that's how this organization is defined. Anything else to this organization is failure. I could f**king care less if trey Lance makes 8 probiwls and is in the hall of fame by the end of his career. Did the niners win a superbowl with him? That's my first question.

I don't care about the cowboys. You need to be good to make the playoffs. Unless it's just a dogs**t division and you get in by default (which Dallas has done).

anything can and does happen in the playoffs. The best team does NOT win every game. This isn't a best of seven series. One blocked FG, one tipped pass or amazing catch changes the outcome of ONE game. That's the whole point. You gotta be good to make the playoffs, once you're in it's anyones game.

Almost half the league makes the playoffs. 14/32 teams. It's not that great of an accomplishment anymore. In fact, that's a low bar. Dont get me wrong I get happy and am thrilled with playoff football, but ultimately that shouldn't just be this franchises goal. If it were, then, wait for it, Jimmy would still be the qb.

Originally posted by Ghostofabshelmet:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I can understand not being a Lance fan at this point since he hasn't had much playing time. It's hard to have a strong opinion on a player that hasn't been the regular starter until this season and has barely played in the pre season. I think 49er fans at least owe him a full season before they form their opinion. Jimmy got 4 years (2 injured) so we saw enough of him to know what he could and could not do. We don't know yet with Trey.

He didn't get that from the fan base. Jimmy was considered the next great QB for us after his five game span In 2017, then was considered mr "average" after we lost the super bowl, It's at that point most of us was screaming for an upgrade.

I do agree that Lance deserves a full season to prove himself, before judging him.

I just hope the OL doesn't hurt his development by allowing him to take unnecessary punishment due to poor protection.

I moved on from Jimmy halfway through in 2020. I didn't want to move on from him after the super bowl because that was basically his first year starting and I thought he would be able to get better with more experience in the Shanahan system. Once the next season hit though and Jimmy showed to really have not improved much plus another season ending injury was when I wanted to move on and 21 basically confirmed that he was who he was at that point.

This is the truth. It became clear in 2020 that Jimmy was who he was and wasn't going to get any better. Jimmy falling apart mentally in the Super Bowl was hugely disappointing, but it was even more disappointing that it didn't seem to motivate him going to come back stronger in 2020.

Originally posted by eastie:
" Lance doesn't have the benefit of starting for a team with few expectations and a 1-10 record." LOL. So now we've circled the wagons and are back to defending Lance with the very same quotes we use to tear down JG. Pretzel logic.

Wait so we're viewing a guy that's been in the league for 8 yrs as the same as a 22 yr old about to start for the first time?