Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Agreed 100%. His delivery now seems more "loopy" and a lot more elbow then shoulder. Almost as if he's compensating for a shoulder injury. Not saying he's injured, just what it looks like.

I said the exact same thing to a buddy the other day. He looks to be elbow-whipping the ball. That could explain some of the "arm fitness" reports…tennis elbow type stuff.

I thought the same a while back, but apparently, that's what's being taught nowadays. I posted a Tweet from some QB coaches and a video of Joe Burrow explaining it a few weeks back, but I'm too lazy to dig thru the pages and find it. Pat Mahomes, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, etc. all do the same thing.

found it:

Originally posted by Heroism:

The evolution in QB mechanics being taught from when I was playing football in high school and college a little over a decade ago to what is being taught now is fascinating. The whole swing the back leg through with a high elbow was standard, but it's definitely changed. Trey Lance is already employing a lot of these newer mechanics. The conversation between Simms and Burrow is great. Also, I think this may be why a lot of people think they're seeing Trey elbow'ing/throw with side delivery when it's actually just a lower elbow.

If your QB coach still teaches to throw with a high elbow or bring your back leg through, you're never going to make plays like these. And yes, non-NFL QBs can make these throws.#Throwetry pic.twitter.com/QGpB8Yd5GF

— Danny Schaechter 🦅 (@CoachDShack) January 24, 2022

Listen up…this is for the "SWING THE BACK LEG THROUGH AND GET ON TOP OF THE BALL" gang. Best part is your relative size & strength don't matter one freaking bit…all can get tremendous value from this. So at least do some research b4 u dismiss it. Or don't 🤷‍♂️ #effortlesspower https://t.co/DbyD0kD2VL

— Brad Maendler (@BradMaendler) June 24, 2022

Why would their normal delivery have to look side-arm in order to throw side-arm passes when the situation calls for it? Weird. Also Tom Brady seems to be doing fine with his "old school" mechanics lol.

Tom Brady rarely makes plays like that to be fair.

Originally posted by genus49:
Tom Brady rarely makes plays like that to be fair.

Right and like Hero stated, that's how these younger QBs are being taught to throw the ball. A lot of these young QBs are elite athletes now, it's not the Tom Brady's of the world that are becoming 5 star QB recruits. The whole point is to be able to move and make throws a long with standing in the pocket and throwing the ball. The league is changing and has been for a while. Tom Brady at 45 or however old he is, is one of one. Dude is so mentally ahead of everyone from decades of playing that he knows where to go before the ball is snapped. His footwork is pristine, which makes him so accurate. His pocket presence is elite. It's funny I saw a stat, Tommy threw more 20+ passing attempts then anyone in the league and yet he had the 2nd highest TTT in the NFL So the whole you need a elite pass-blocking OL in order to throw the ball downfield is kinda moot. You need an elite QB who can process pre/post. You need a scheme that doesn't allow a D to pin their ears back every down.

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Agreed 100%. His delivery now seems more "loopy" and a lot more elbow then shoulder. Almost as if he's compensating for a shoulder injury. Not saying he's injured, just what it looks like.

I said the exact same thing to a buddy the other day. He looks to be elbow-whipping the ball. That could explain some of the "arm fitness" reports…tennis elbow type stuff.

i fully believe he received some bad coaching leading up to his pro day, maybe he hired some s**tty qb coach to prep him. honestly his throwing mechanics in college were perfect IMO

having said that, still a likelihood he goes back to his old mechanics or develops it over time, he's still super young

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
Tom Brady rarely makes plays like that to be fair.

Right and like Hero stated, that's how these younger QBs are being taught to throw the ball. A lot of these young QBs are elite athletes now, it's not the Tom Brady's of the world that are becoming 5 star QB recruits. The whole point is to be able to move and make throws a long with standing in the pocket and throwing the ball. The league is changing and has been for a while. Tom Brady at 45 or however old he is, is one of one. Dude is so mentally ahead of everyone from decades of playing that he knows where to go before the ball is snapped. His footwork is pristine, which makes him so accurate. His pocket presence is elite. It's funny I saw a stat, Tommy threw more 20+ passing attempts then anyone in the league and yet he had the 2nd highest TTT in the NFL So the whole you need a elite pass-blocking OL in order to throw the ball downfield is kinda moot. You need an elite QB who can process pre/post. You need a scheme that doesn't allow a D to pin their ears back every down.

I've been hearing "the league is changing" my entire life. Yet QB's like Brady, Manning/Manning, Roethlisberger, etc. keep winning the majority of Super Bowls. Side arm throws make for cool highlights though.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
Tom Brady rarely makes plays like that to be fair.

Right and like Hero stated, that's how these younger QBs are being taught to throw the ball. A lot of these young QBs are elite athletes now, it's not the Tom Brady's of the world that are becoming 5 star QB recruits. The whole point is to be able to move and make throws a long with standing in the pocket and throwing the ball. The league is changing and has been for a while. Tom Brady at 45 or however old he is, is one of one. Dude is so mentally ahead of everyone from decades of playing that he knows where to go before the ball is snapped. His footwork is pristine, which makes him so accurate. His pocket presence is elite. It's funny I saw a stat, Tommy threw more 20+ passing attempts then anyone in the league and yet he had the 2nd highest TTT in the NFL So the whole you need a elite pass-blocking OL in order to throw the ball downfield is kinda moot. You need an elite QB who can process pre/post. You need a scheme that doesn't allow a D to pin their ears back every down.

I've been hearing "the league is changing" my entire life. Yet QB's like Brady, Manning/Manning, Roethlisberger, etc. keep winning the majority of Super Bowls. Side arm throws make for cool highlights though.

What's the rest of the etc because only one of those is actually still playing.

Originally posted by Furlow:
I've been hearing "the league is changing" my entire life. Yet QB's like Brady, Manning/Manning, Roethlisberger, etc. keep winning the majority of Super Bowls. Side arm throws make for cool highlights though.

A QB just won a sb who makes off platform throws/sidearm/etc. Mahomes won 2 years before. The top QBs in the league all fit this form. Brady is the exception right now, and he's not long for the league.

Originally posted by Furlow:
I've been hearing "the league is changing" my entire life. Yet QB's like Brady, Manning/Manning, Roethlisberger, etc. keep winning the majority of Super Bowls. Side arm throws make for cool highlights though.

Agreed

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Right and like Hero stated, that's how these younger QBs are being taught to throw the ball. A lot of these young QBs are elite athletes now, it's not the Tom Brady's of the world that are becoming 5 star QB recruits. The whole point is to be able to move and make throws a long with standing in the pocket and throwing the ball. The league is changing and has been for a while. Tom Brady at 45 or however old he is, is one of one. Dude is so mentally ahead of everyone from decades of playing that he knows where to go before the ball is snapped. His footwork is pristine, which makes him so accurate. His pocket presence is elite. It's funny I saw a stat, Tommy threw more 20+ passing attempts then anyone in the league and yet he had the 2nd highest TTT in the NFL So the whole you need a elite pass-blocking OL in order to throw the ball downfield is kinda moot. You need an elite QB who can process pre/post. You need a scheme that doesn't allow a D to pin their ears back every down.

am I reading this right? 2nd highest time to throw and most 20 yard passes but don't need elite pass blocking to throw downfield?

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I've been hearing "the league is changing" my entire life. Yet QB's like Brady, Manning/Manning, Roethlisberger, etc. keep winning the majority of Super Bowls. Side arm throws make for cool highlights though.

A QB just won a sb who makes off platform throws/sidearm/etc. Mahomes won 2 years before. The top QBs in the league all fit this form. Brady is the exception right now, and he's not long for the league.

Ironically both were down double digits to the guy everyone is ready to get rid of. And both big momentum plays came on punt throws by both QBs you mentioned.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Right and like Hero stated, that's how these younger QBs are being taught to throw the ball. A lot of these young QBs are elite athletes now, it's not the Tom Brady's of the world that are becoming 5 star QB recruits. The whole point is to be able to move and make throws a long with standing in the pocket and throwing the ball. The league is changing and has been for a while. Tom Brady at 45 or however old he is, is one of one. Dude is so mentally ahead of everyone from decades of playing that he knows where to go before the ball is snapped. His footwork is pristine, which makes him so accurate. His pocket presence is elite. It's funny I saw a stat, Tommy threw more 20+ passing attempts then anyone in the league and yet he had the 2nd highest TTT in the NFL So the whole you need a elite pass-blocking OL in order to throw the ball downfield is kinda moot. You need an elite QB who can process pre/post. You need a scheme that doesn't allow a D to pin their ears back every down.

am I reading this right? 2nd highest time to throw and most 20 yard passes but don't need elite pass blocking to throw downfield?

From the #1 ranked OL (until Wirfs gets hurt again, of course). Must be nice to live in that world of reality.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Right and like Hero stated, that's how these younger QBs are being taught to throw the ball. A lot of these young QBs are elite athletes now, it's not the Tom Brady's of the world that are becoming 5 star QB recruits. The whole point is to be able to move and make throws a long with standing in the pocket and throwing the ball. The league is changing and has been for a while. Tom Brady at 45 or however old he is, is one of one. Dude is so mentally ahead of everyone from decades of playing that he knows where to go before the ball is snapped. His footwork is pristine, which makes him so accurate. His pocket presence is elite. It's funny I saw a stat, Tommy threw more 20+ passing attempts then anyone in the league and yet he had the 2nd highest TTT in the NFL So the whole you need a elite pass-blocking OL in order to throw the ball downfield is kinda moot. You need an elite QB who can process pre/post. You need a scheme that doesn't allow a D to pin their ears back every down.

am I reading this right? 2nd highest time to throw and most 20 yard passes but don't need elite pass blocking to throw downfield?

From the #1 ranked OL (until Wirfs gets hurt again, of course). Must be nice to live in that world of reality.

In this situation I'm pretty sure that means his TTT is the second quickest. Which Is more consistent with NY's point

Originally posted by Ghostofabshelmet:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Right and like Hero stated, that's how these younger QBs are being taught to throw the ball. A lot of these young QBs are elite athletes now, it's not the Tom Brady's of the world that are becoming 5 star QB recruits. The whole point is to be able to move and make throws a long with standing in the pocket and throwing the ball. The league is changing and has been for a while. Tom Brady at 45 or however old he is, is one of one. Dude is so mentally ahead of everyone from decades of playing that he knows where to go before the ball is snapped. His footwork is pristine, which makes him so accurate. His pocket presence is elite. It's funny I saw a stat, Tommy threw more 20+ passing attempts then anyone in the league and yet he had the 2nd highest TTT in the NFL So the whole you need a elite pass-blocking OL in order to throw the ball downfield is kinda moot. You need an elite QB who can process pre/post. You need a scheme that doesn't allow a D to pin their ears back every down.

am I reading this right? 2nd highest time to throw and most 20 yard passes but don't need elite pass blocking to throw downfield?

From the #1 ranked OL (until Wirfs gets hurt again, of course). Must be nice to live in that world of reality.

In this situation I'm pretty sure that means his TTT is the second quickest. Which Is more consistent with NY's point

So Brady made his OL better?

Originally posted by krizay:
Ironically both were down double digits to the guy everyone is ready to get rid of. And both big momentum plays came on punt throws by both QBs you mentioned.

I like this post

Originally posted by Furlow:
I've been hearing "the league is changing" my entire life. Yet QB's like Brady, Manning/Manning, Roethlisberger, etc. keep winning the majority of Super Bowls. Side arm throws make for cool highlights though.

Been over a decade since Big Ben and Eli won s**t. Payton's last SB was won off of D. He couldn't even throw a football at that point.

take away Brady and then what now? The league is changing old man get use to it

Originally posted by krizay:
am I reading this right? 2nd highest time to throw and most 20 yard passes but don't need elite pass blocking to throw downfield?

No you're reading it wrong. He has the 2nd quickest TTT only Big Ben had a faster TTT.