Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Why do I want to punch that guy in the face so badly? And why does he have to keep telling everyone he was a former scout? He's worse than Grant cohn x1000, if that's even possible.

Perhaps, the article itself posts numbers not really his opinions

Cool to see an argument over the definition of a touch pass.

At least it's not over the lies that Trey doesn't throw with accuracy, touch, anticipation, and timing.

One can argue about consistency, but that's just a matter of getting more experience.

Originally posted by krizay:
Just now seen this. Posting just to post.

https://www-si-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.si.com/nfl/49ers/.amp/news/49ers-quarterback-trey-lance-is-not-good-on-game-film?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#amp_ct=1654355449352&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16543553951182&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fnfl%2F49ers%2Fnews%2F49ers-quarterback-trey-lance-is-not-good-on-game-film

1) It shows steady progress from game to game completing the intermediate routes. I'm not sure, why that would be a knock on Trey?

2) In the intermediate ball placement it only states the total and does not break it down from game to game like in the 1st bullet point. Seems kind of disengenuous, imo. He was 13/30 which is pretty close to 50%. I am willing to bet that the progress from game to game is the same as it was in the 1st bullet point.

3) Deep passes are low percentage throws by nature. Anyone who watched his college tape knows he is typically an above average deep ball passer. His finger injury may have had something to do with it. Not trying to make an excuse but nothing leads me to believe that he won't get better at it.

All in all, the article was rather mediocre. The author showed absolutely no film breakdown to demonstrate his points and used only stats. While I do believe stats are important in drawing conclusions, they aren't the only tool needed to make solid arguments.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by krizay:

Just now seen this. Posting just to post.

https://www-si-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.si.com/nfl/49ers/.amp/news/49ers-quarterback-trey-lance-is-not-good-on-game-film?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#amp_ct=1654355449352&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16543553951182&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fnfl%2F49ers%2Fnews%2F49ers-quarterback-trey-lance-is-not-good-on-game-film

1) It shows steady progress from game to game completing the intermediate routes. I'm not sure, why that would be a knock on Trey?

2) In the intermediate ball placement it only states the total and does not break it down from game to game like in the 1st bullet point. Seems kind of disengenuous, imo. He was 13/30 which is pretty close to 50%. I am willing to bet that the progress from game to game is the same as it was in the 1st bullet point.

3) Deep passes are low percentage throws by nature. Anyone who watched his college tape knows he is typically an above average deep ball passer. His finger injury may have had something to do with it. Not trying to make an excuse but nothing leads me to believe that he won't get better at it.

All in all, the article was rather mediocre. The author showed absolutely no film breakdown to demonstrate his points and used only stats. While I do believe stats are important in drawing conclusions, they aren't the only tool needed to make solid arguments.

Its a clickbait article.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Why do I want to punch that guy in the face so badly? And why does he have to keep telling everyone he was a former scout? He's worse than Grant cohn x1000, if that's even possible.

Perhaps, the article itself posts numbers not really his opinions

The guy didn't grasp the difference between a qb scramble and a designed QB run and you want to take his "numbers" at face value?

Guy is a joke and missing in all of that is that Trey spent that Arizona game in his first start with a jacked up knee and finger. Yet the offense moved very well and the biggest issues that game were untimely penalties, batted down passes and some drops, none of which are accounted in his "numbers" since he's hell bent on putting everything on Trey playing poorly.

Originally posted by krizay:
Just now seen this. Posting just to post.

https://www-si-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.si.com/nfl/49ers/.amp/news/49ers-quarterback-trey-lance-is-not-good-on-game-film?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#amp_ct=1654355449352&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16543553951182&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fnfl%2F49ers%2Fnews%2F49ers-quarterback-trey-lance-is-not-good-on-game-film

Why would you post anything that moron has to say?

Originally posted by genus49:
Funny enough I wouldn't say that was a great touch pass. That was just a good pass and funny you post that game. I've said for a while that was Jones' best game in terms of making throws into contested windows. I saw someone making the claim Bourne is typically covered well…not with the Pats. Mac had a ton of easy looks that he took advantage of.

But fact is Mac does throw a pretty ball. His deep ball was a strength of his. The question was more what happens when defenses are able to pressure him and his WRs can't get open where he can't lob deep balls up there and has to thread big boy throws in.

Mac had 4 years at Bama with top level coaching. And seeing as he wasn't an Uber athlete he knew the things he had to work on to get anywhere. And he did so kudos to him.

Thing is Trey now gets to work on these things too and has ability Mac will never be able to replicate.

Jones went to a perfect spot for him outside of SF to Bill Belichick's Bama farm. But check how he did his first few starts? It wasn't exactly jaw dropping stuff.

Trey will show everyone what he can or cannot do soon enough. If I'm putting money on it, I'm saying he's successful in becoming a legit NFL QB. We'll see if he can get into the elite category but I think he can certainly help our team win a lot of games.

I watched all that game and that D and running game dominated after that first drive from Cleveland. Mac made some good throws but it was game manager style without question. We will see how he goes with him down the road.

posting a Kelly article is the equivalent of posting a Qanon article in the political thread.

Originally posted by thl408:
I think touch pass should be defined by launch angle and launch speed. We should do some math to define these parameters.

It shouldn't be a debate like it currently is

Originally posted by NYniner85:
posting a Kelly article is the equivalent of posting a Qanon article in the political thread.

Why is it always about who is doing the posting instead of what is being posted.

Originally posted by krizay:
I actually think he has a 0% bustability rate. Mainly due to Kyle and supporting cast. His reported work ethic helps for sure.

In our offense with Kyle and the supporting cast I see his floor as a Donovan McNabb type QB.

Woah there

Originally posted by random49er:
Woah there

Part am I woahing?

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by random49er:

Woah there

Part am I woahing?

If he had a 0% bust chance because of Kyle and Cast alone Jimmy wouldn't have been a waste of 4 years. But I love the homerism.

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by random49er:
Woah there

Part am I woahing?

If he had a 0% bust chance because of Kyle and Cast alone Jimmy wouldn't have been a waste of 4 years. But I love the homerism.

This is such a piss poor post. First it insinuates that Jimmy's at fault solely for not winning a ring. 2nd it insinuates that by not winning a superbowl it makes a qb a bust. Are we going to have to define what a being a bust is?

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by random49er:

Woah there

Part am I woahing?

If he had a 0% bust chance because of Kyle and Cast alone Jimmy wouldn't have been a waste of 4 years. But I love the homerism.

This is such a piss poor post. First it insinuates that Jimmy's at fault solely for not winning a ring. 2nd it insinuates that by not winning a superbowl it makes a qb a bust. Are we going to have to define what a being a bust is?

Never called him a bust. Just think we could have done much better with an accurate QB past 5 yards.