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Originally posted by YACBros85:
5 of those teams toward the top left got beat by one of the worst teams in that category. Yea. That chart really demonstrates how those types of statistics are a better indicator of winning and losing.
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Comp % is such a overblown stat. I could careless if you complete 70% of your balls and you're bottom of the league in IAY. Give me 60% competition percentage and a top end IAY and now we're working with something special.
Lol the irony is Mac Jones was 12th in IAY at 8.0. and 8th in completion % at 67.3
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
BTT% vs TWP% is one of the best stats for evaluating QB play in the modern NFL era. We need Trey to get us out of that bottom-right quadrant.
PFF's Big-Time Throw Rate vs. Turnover-Worthy plays.
— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) February 21, 2022
Ideally, you'd want to be in the top left, but definitely not in the bottom right. pic.twitter.com/eJmV4LEMHA
Loops like Mac is in good company
5 of those teams toward the top left got beat by one of the worst teams in that category. Yea. That chart really demonstrates how those types of statistics are a better indicator of winning and losing.
The chart shows QBs, not teams. Being further to the top-left of the chart increases the probability of a QB being good, but it doesn't guarantee it. No QB in the bottom-right was very successful.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by genus49:
Why is completion % important to you? It's nice to have the numbers to show that someone is completing more of their passes than they're not but completion % doesn't win football games.
I think you simply have to use the eye test with Trey. Putting stats as any requirement whether he had a successful season or not isn't wise IMO.
Can he show that he can lead this offense. Can he show that he can do the things that Jimmy did well while also bringing another level to this offense. I don't care if most of the TDs go to the RBs as long as we're moving the ball on offense with him at the helm.
There are games in Tom Brady's careers where the stats looked ugly but he was critical in big moments in getting his teams what they needed out of him. If Trey shows he's got command of this offense the rest will fall into place.
Comp % is such a overblown stat. I could careless if you complete 70% of your balls and you're bottom of the league in IAY. Give me 60% competition percentage and a top end IAY and now we're working with something special.
We had some games against the Seahawks where we made Wilson look ordinary or even bad for 3 quarters only to have him come up with a couple of big throws that changed the game. You're correct that the big time throws when the game's on the line can be more important than how many passes you complete.
Montana has 3 INTs and a fumble against Dallas in the 1982 NFC championship game. He also had 3 TDs and of course threw the pass that Dwight caught while under pressure from Too Tall Jones.
Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Similar easy throw actually and Trey will miss easy ones too. Every QB does if you actually watch football just not act like you do.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
BTT% vs TWP% is one of the best stats for evaluating QB play in the modern NFL era. We need Trey to get us out of that bottom-right quadrant.
PFF's Big-Time Throw Rate vs. Turnover-Worthy plays.
— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) February 21, 2022
Ideally, you'd want to be in the top left, but definitely not in the bottom right. pic.twitter.com/eJmV4LEMHA
Loops like Mac is in good company
5 of those teams toward the top left got beat by one of the worst teams in that category. Yea. That chart really demonstrates how those types of statistics are a better indicator of winning and losing.
The chart shows QBs, not teams. Being further to the top-left of the chart increases the probability of a QB being good, but it doesn't guarantee it. No QB in the bottom-right was very successful.
You're right. My fault. The chart is so small all I could see was the team logo's.
Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
What a drive!
— San Francisco 49ers (@49ers) August 23, 2021
Trey to Trent for 41 yards to help set up that #49ers TD to end the half 🙌
📺 #SFvsLAC on KPIX, https://t.co/vpdsX5I39D and the 49ers app pic.twitter.com/rrNrSZFPgS
Can't throw with touch.
Getting a strong vibe Jimmy stans turned off the TV or did something else whenever Trey played.
No... I just think that was a pretty basic throw. Credit to Trey for hitting it, it was a good throw(he's made much tougher throws), I'm not dissing the guy for hitting his receiver so don't cry, but 5 yards on either side, hell 10+ for the safety is as the announcer says "wide open" in NFL standards. And I know you think about Jimmy all of the time, even obsess about him so much you bring him up in the Trey thread, constantly, every moment of your life(then call others stans when you a true Stan brought up Jimmy as always, every... single...post(it's about more than football) )... .. . yes Jimmy has missed this easy basic NFL throw.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Overall not awful. I'd also put CAY/comp on there as well, which I think he was 17th
I'll bet money when they weren't in the lead early with the defense smothering the opponent, had Mac in favorable position & they needed plays from the passing game his numbers weren't up there in IAY/ CAY/Comp, which whatever he's a rookie…I wouldn't expect him to be top tier yet.
End of the day who gives a s**t about McCorkle? You want to talk about him go into his thread. Go be a NE fan if you care that much. I don't anymore.
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
What the hell are you guys still arguing about?
Trey has little to no experience.
Hes very raw
Hr could he a bust, but he potentially could be great
He is innacurate and lacks touch, but he ccould improve.
Why are pro trey guys trying to sell him so hard? It's not going to work. The only way the doubters will shut up is if trey performs well on the field. Nobody is going to say anything that will change anyones mind. I don't give a flying f**k what the metrics say.
The start of the season can't get here fast enough.
Lol. So ironic when its coming from the Jimmy fan club.
I am solidly in the Trey fan club and JoseCortez said nothing wrong. Not one person posting here has any real idea if the kid is going to light it up like some folks are claiming. I've already seen folks claiming he's gonna be an awesome runner, yet he's only shown me that he's on the slow side and not an instinctual runner. We all hope the kid turns into a great player, but right now he's a work in progress still setting what his floor is going to be. It might be the end of the season before we have any real idea of his ceiling is, maybe longer.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Originally posted by YACBros85:What is your definition of succeeding exactly? What is a successful season this year?
When Trey proves all his doubters wrong, please continue to hate. Don't eat crow. Don't pretend like you were a fan long before he succeeded. Just continue to hate.
While I do agree with your sentiment, I'm just not sure what you consider successful? Super Bowl appearance? 2 NFCC in 3 years? Good stats? 3rd leading win percentage in the NFL? What is your measurement of success?
For Trey this year. 65%+ completion, 2:1 td to int ratio or better, 8.0+ ypa, 10+ wins and a playoff appearance. What more could you reasonably expect from a 1st year starter?
Why is completion % important to you? It's nice to have the numbers to show that someone is completing more of their passes than they're not but completion % doesn't win football games.
I think you simply have to use the eye test with Trey. Putting stats as any requirement whether he had a successful season or not isn't wise IMO.
Can he show that he can lead this offense. Can he show that he can do the things that Jimmy did well while also bringing another level to this offense. I don't care if most of the TDs go to the RBs as long as we're moving the ball on offense with him at the helm.
There are games in Tom Brady's careers where the stats looked ugly but he was critical in big moments in getting his teams what they needed out of him. If Trey shows he's got command of this offense the rest will fall into place.
So you think that a QB that completes 40% of his passes is acceptable and can win you a lot of games? Tell me what QB in the NFL has had a long career completing less than 60%? If completion percentage was not important no one would waste their time recording it.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Originally posted by YACBros85:What is your definition of succeeding exactly? What is a successful season this year?
When Trey proves all his doubters wrong, please continue to hate. Don't eat crow. Don't pretend like you were a fan long before he succeeded. Just continue to hate.
While I do agree with your sentiment, I'm just not sure what you consider successful? Super Bowl appearance? 2 NFCC in 3 years? Good stats? 3rd leading win percentage in the NFL? What is your measurement of success?
For Trey this year. 65%+ completion, 2:1 td to int ratio or better, 8.0+ ypa, 10+ wins and a playoff appearance. What more could you reasonably expect from a 1st year starter?
Why is completion % important to you? It's nice to have the numbers to show that someone is completing more of their passes than they're not but completion % doesn't win football games.
I think you simply have to use the eye test with Trey. Putting stats as any requirement whether he had a successful season or not isn't wise IMO.
Can he show that he can lead this offense. Can he show that he can do the things that Jimmy did well while also bringing another level to this offense. I don't care if most of the TDs go to the RBs as long as we're moving the ball on offense with him at the helm.
There are games in Tom Brady's careers where the stats looked ugly but he was critical in big moments in getting his teams what they needed out of him. If Trey shows he's got command of this offense the rest will fall into place.
So you think that a QB that completes 40% of his passes is acceptable and can win you a lot of games? Tell me what QB in the NFL has had a long career completing less than 60%? If completion percentage was not important no one would waste their time recording it.
When was the last time you saw a QB complete 40% of his passes over the course of a season?
I'm talking about setting a bar like 65% when there is not a major difference between that or 60% or 70% in the grand scheme of things. Especially when you have a guy attempting more big plays vs feeding the easy routes which fluff up completions.
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Overall not awful. I'd also put CAY/comp on there as well, which I think he was 17th
I'll bet money when they weren't in the lead early with the defense smothering the opponent, had Mac in favorable position & they needed plays from the passing game his numbers weren't up there in IAY/ CAY/Comp, which whatever he's a rookie…I wouldn't expect him to be top tier yet.
End of the day who gives a s**t about McCorkle? You want to talk about him go into his thread. Go be a NE fan if you care that much. I don't anymore.
So then you're not a fan of Patrick Mahomes 25th ranked IAY at 7.3. Or his 30th ranked CAY/comp of 4.9?
Also, I seen posters talk about Josh Allen, Jimmy G. Tom Brady, Colin Kaepernick. JaMarcus Russell etc.... didn't know we drew the line at Mac Jones
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Similar easy throw actually and Trey will miss easy ones too. Every QB does if you actually watch football just not act like you do.
Not really similar. Jimmy had a wide open Juice with no one around him….Trey had a play to Sheffield with S/DB above him. He had to layer that throw in. Yes you should expect your starter to make both those throws
Originally posted by YACBros85:
If you cannot complete the easy throws, the deep throws are less likely to be there. I'd rather have a QB that is highly efficient completing the easy throws and only take a deep shot a few times a game rather than a QB that lives and dies off the long ball. Again, if completion percentage wasn't an important stat than why do all the football sites that collect data waste their time tracking it?
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
If you cannot complete the easy throws, the deep throws are less likely to be there. I'd rather have a QB that is highly efficient completing the easy throws and only take a deep shot a few times a game rather than a QB that lives and dies off the long ball. Again, if completion percentage wasn't an important stat than why do all the football sites that collect data waste their time tracking it?
Football sites literally collect and track everything.
