Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by krizay:
1st time seeing this. Funny you count me MIA after apparently two weeks. When the ones counting were missing for well over a month before that.

You're calling out his short comings of the 2 game stretch from when I went "missing" to your post and Jones total QBR were better in each of those two games than Lance's game vs HOU that everyone says was great. FWIW

i didnt make the missing persons list or count the days. i just remember bc it was funny.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by genus49:
A lot better in what way? Being bigger with a bigger arm doesn't make him better. You've proven time and time again that you either don't know what you're talking about or don't remember things as they happened.

Allen was just as much a projection as Trey was. As you said Trey's missing time his last year of football wasn't his fault. If anything Allen looked worse his last year in Wyoming. He was more proven and even that wasn't a massive difference like was the case with guys like Herbert, Mahomes, Prescott who had well over the 300 attempts Trey had in college.

Allen had just 650 attempts and unlike Lance he didn't miss virtually a whole season of play due to covid.

And there it is. Bigger, faster, stronger was all the rage last year.

Being bigger, faster, stronger is better all else being equal, yes.

Does a player being bigger, faster, stronger than another automatically make him better, no.

Don't try to make that into something it's not. There is a reason Tom Brady is a much better QB than Michael Vick or Jamarcus Russell. The problem is the assumption that Trey doesn't have the things which made Jimmy a solid NFL starter.

Tommy ain't small either, he's like 6-4 230lbs. What makes him special is how well he can diagnose plays pre/post and he has amazing feel in the pocket. That s**t is a learned trait that you improve at by playing football. Being able to move and having a top end arm is a postive…anyone trying yo pretend it's not is lying.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
When Trey proves all his doubters wrong, please continue to hate. Don't eat crow. Don't pretend like you were a fan long before he succeeded. Just continue to hate.

What is your definition of succeeding exactly? What is a successful season this year?

While I do agree with your sentiment, I'm just not sure what you consider successful? Super Bowl appearance? 2 NFCC in 3 years? Good stats? 3rd leading win percentage in the NFL? What is your measurement of success?

For Trey this year. 65%+ completion, 2:1 td to int ratio or better, 8.0+ ypa, 10+ wins and a playoff appearance. What more could you reasonably expect from a 1st year starter?

Why is completion % important to you? It's nice to have the numbers to show that someone is completing more of their passes than they're not but completion % doesn't win football games.

I think you simply have to use the eye test with Trey. Putting stats as any requirement whether he had a successful season or not isn't wise IMO.

Can he show that he can lead this offense. Can he show that he can do the things that Jimmy did well while also bringing another level to this offense. I don't care if most of the TDs go to the RBs as long as we're moving the ball on offense with him at the helm.

There are games in Tom Brady's careers where the stats looked ugly but he was critical in big moments in getting his teams what they needed out of him. If Trey shows he's got command of this offense the rest will fall into place.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
As has been said by at least one esteemed NFL expert, Jimmy is the guy in the group project that does none of the work, but still tries to take credit for it.

Mina kimes, esteemed nfl expert. The lack of appreciation for Jimmy is astounding. Before jimmy, 4-12. First year with Jimmy starting, superbowl. But hey, just a coincidence.

Jimmy doesn't suck, but comparing him to trash QBs to prove his something amazing is also stupid.

Originally posted by genus49:
Why is completion % important to you? It's nice to have the numbers to show that someone is completing more of their passes than they're not but completion % doesn't win football games.

I think you simply have to use the eye test with Trey. Putting stats as any requirement whether he had a successful season or not isn't wise IMO.

Can he show that he can lead this offense. Can he show that he can do the things that Jimmy did well while also bringing another level to this offense. I don't care if most of the TDs go to the RBs as long as we're moving the ball on offense with him at the helm.

There are games in Tom Brady's careers where the stats looked ugly but he was critical in big moments in getting his teams what they needed out of him. If Trey shows he's got command of this offense the rest will fall into place.

Interesting!

Originally posted by genus49:
Why is completion % important to you? It's nice to have the numbers to show that someone is completing more of their passes than they're not but completion % doesn't win football games.

I think you simply have to use the eye test with Trey. Putting stats as any requirement whether he had a successful season or not isn't wise IMO.

Can he show that he can lead this offense. Can he show that he can do the things that Jimmy did well while also bringing another level to this offense. I don't care if most of the TDs go to the RBs as long as we're moving the ball on offense with him at the helm.

There are games in Tom Brady's careers where the stats looked ugly but he was critical in big moments in getting his teams what they needed out of him. If Trey shows he's got command of this offense the rest will fall into place.

Comp % is such a overblown stat. I could careless if you complete 70% of your balls and you're bottom of the league in IAY. Give me 60% competition percentage and a top end IAY and now we're working with something special.

BTT% vs TWP% is one of the best stats for evaluating QB play in the modern NFL era. We need Trey to get us out of that bottom-right quadrant.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
When Trey proves all his doubters wrong, please continue to hate. Don't eat crow. Don't pretend like you were a fan long before he succeeded. Just continue to hate.

What is your definition of succeeding exactly? What is a successful season this year?

While I do agree with your sentiment, I'm just not sure what you consider successful? Super Bowl appearance? 2 NFCC in 3 years? Good stats? 3rd leading win percentage in the NFL? What is your measurement of success?

For Trey this year. 65%+ completion, 2:1 td to int ratio or better, 8.0+ ypa, 10+ wins and a playoff appearance. What more could you reasonably expect from a 1st year starter?

Why is completion % important to you? It's nice to have the numbers to show that someone is completing more of their passes than they're not but completion % doesn't win football games.

I think you simply have to use the eye test with Trey. Putting stats as any requirement whether he had a successful season or not isn't wise IMO.

Can he show that he can lead this offense. Can he show that he can do the things that Jimmy did well while also bringing another level to this offense. I don't care if most of the TDs go to the RBs as long as we're moving the ball on offense with him at the helm.

There are games in Tom Brady's careers where the stats looked ugly but he was critical in big moments in getting his teams what they needed out of him. If Trey shows he's got command of this offense the rest will fall into place.

So you think that a QB that completes 40% of his passes is acceptable and can win you a lot of games? Tell me what QB in the NFL has had a long career completing less than 60%? If completion percentage was not important no one would waste their time recording it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Comp % is such a overblown stat. I could careless if you complete 70% of your balls and you're bottom of the league in IAY. Give me 60% competition percentage and a top end IAY and now we're working with something special.

Lol the irony is Mac Jones was 12th in IAY at 8.0. and 8th in completion % at 67.3

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
BTT% vs TWP% is one of the best stats for evaluating QB play in the modern NFL era. We need Trey to get us out of that bottom-right quadrant.

PFF's Big-Time Throw Rate vs. Turnover-Worthy plays.

Ideally, you'd want to be in the top left, but definitely not in the bottom right. pic.twitter.com/eJmV4LEMHA

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) February 21, 2022

Lol. Arizona. YOLO

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
Why is completion % important to you? It's nice to have the numbers to show that someone is completing more of their passes than they're not but completion % doesn't win football games.

I think you simply have to use the eye test with Trey. Putting stats as any requirement whether he had a successful season or not isn't wise IMO.

Can he show that he can lead this offense. Can he show that he can do the things that Jimmy did well while also bringing another level to this offense. I don't care if most of the TDs go to the RBs as long as we're moving the ball on offense with him at the helm.

There are games in Tom Brady's careers where the stats looked ugly but he was critical in big moments in getting his teams what they needed out of him. If Trey shows he's got command of this offense the rest will fall into place.

Comp % is such a overblown stat. I could careless if you complete 70% of your balls and you're bottom of the league in IAY. Give me 60% competition percentage and a top end IAY and now we're working with something special.

We had some games against the Seahawks where we made Wilson look ordinary or even bad for 3 quarters only to have him come up with a couple of big throws that changed the game. You're correct that the big time throws when the game's on the line can be more important than how many passes you complete.

Montana has 3 INTs and a fumble against Dallas in the 1982 NFC championship game. He also had 3 TDs and of course threw the pass that Dwight caught while under pressure from Too Tall Jones.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
BTT% vs TWP% is one of the best stats for evaluating QB play in the modern NFL era. We need Trey to get us out of that bottom-right quadrant.

PFF's Big-Time Throw Rate vs. Turnover-Worthy plays.

Ideally, you'd want to be in the top left, but definitely not in the bottom right. pic.twitter.com/eJmV4LEMHA

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) February 21, 2022

Loops like Mac is in good company

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
BTT% vs TWP% is one of the best stats for evaluating QB play in the modern NFL era. We need Trey to get us out of that bottom-right quadrant.

PFF's Big-Time Throw Rate vs. Turnover-Worthy plays.

Ideally, you'd want to be in the top left, but definitely not in the bottom right. pic.twitter.com/eJmV4LEMHA

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) February 21, 2022

Loops like Mac is in good company

5 of those teams toward the top left got beat by one of the worst teams in that category. Yea. That chart really demonstrates how those types of statistics are a better indicator of winning and losing.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
BTT% vs TWP% is one of the best stats for evaluating QB play in the modern NFL era. We need Trey to get us out of that bottom-right quadrant.

PFF's Big-Time Throw Rate vs. Turnover-Worthy plays.

Ideally, you'd want to be in the top left, but definitely not in the bottom right. pic.twitter.com/eJmV4LEMHA

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) February 21, 2022

Loops like Mac is in good company

5 of those teams toward the top left got beat by one of the worst teams in that category. Yea. That chart really demonstrates how those types of statistics are a better indicator of winning and losing.

The chart shows QBs, not teams. Being further to the top-left of the chart increases the probability of a QB being good, but it doesn't guarantee it. No QB in the bottom-right was very successful.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
No... I just think that was a pretty basic throw. Credit to Trey for hitting it, it was a good throw(he's made much tougher throws), I'm not dissing the guy for hitting his receiver so don't cry, but 5 yards on either side, hell 10+ for the safety is as the announcer says "wide open" in NFL standards. And I know you think about Jimmy all of the time, even obsess about him so much you bring him up in the Trey thread, constantly, every moment of your life(then call others stans when you a true Stan brought up Jimmy as always, every... single...post(it's about more than football) )... .. . yes Jimmy has missed this easy basic NFL throw.

You're right Jimmy has missed even easier NFL throws

Jimmy Garoppolo misses a wide open Juice.
Walk in TD easy but he throws it out of bounds.
49ers settled for a FG on this drive.#JimmyG pic.twitter.com/rXxQlNB7hb

— John Chapman (@JL_Chapman) December 24, 2021

Similar easy throw actually and Trey will miss easy ones too. Every QB does if you actually watch football just not act like you do.