Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
"I dont give a f**k, respectfully"

- Trey

That's my QB

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Exactly! People are looking at Allen now and don't remember who he was when drafted and who he was year 1. Bills fans were calling him a bust year 1. He was horrible.

Here is Allen's stats in year 1.

In 12 games he had a 52.8 PCT. He threw for 2074 yards, Had 10 TD's and 12 INT's. His QBR was 67.9. Now his rushing was good as he had over 600 yards. But his passing was horrible.

In his 2nd year he only had a 58.8 PCT in 16 games with 3089 yards and 20 TD's and 9 INT's. His QBR was only 85.3. Much better but still not great. It was year 3 where he took off. Now if fans after year 1 and 2 were comparing his potential to Mahomes they would be saying the samething people are saying now when we compare Trey to Allen.

I didn't like either prospect coming out. That said, trey isn't as big as Allen. Arm isn't as strong as Allen. Nor was he the prospect as Allen.

What golden rings said is 100% accurate. There isn't any dispute.

He didn't say he can't eventually be as good.

And that's where...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwMAauD7nGQ&ab_channel=TanyaN

Allen had a freaking torque rope for an arm in college. Dude was built in Madden. My guess: you whiffed on Mahomes too.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Love this

#49ers QB Trey Lance with the best answer of the day regarding other people's opinions on him.

Excellent question @grantcohn pic.twitter.com/P1ro4lsk1H

— Steph Sanchez (@stragosaurus) May 24, 2022

One of the most polite clapbacks I've ever seen from a player.

Love it!

You can't hate on Trey the human (I know some can) but overall, he sounds like a great kid, who has a great work ethic. If he can now become a great QB as well, 3 first round picks is a steal.

100%

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Exactly! People are looking at Allen now and don't remember who he was when drafted and who he was year 1. Bills fans were calling him a bust year 1. He was horrible.

Here is Allen's stats in year 1.

In 12 games he had a 52.8 PCT. He threw for 2074 yards, Had 10 TD's and 12 INT's. His QBR was 67.9. Now his rushing was good as he had over 600 yards. But his passing was horrible.

In his 2nd year he only had a 58.8 PCT in 16 games with 3089 yards and 20 TD's and 9 INT's. His QBR was only 85.3. Much better but still not great. It was year 3 where he took off. Now if fans after year 1 and 2 were comparing his potential to Mahomes they would be saying the samething people are saying now when we compare Trey to Allen.

I didn't like either prospect coming out. That said, trey isn't as big as Allen. Arm isn't as strong as Allen. Nor was he the prospect as Allen.

What golden rings said is 100% accurate. There isn't any dispute.

He didn't say he can't eventually be as good.

And that's where...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwMAauD7nGQ&ab_channel=TanyaN

Allen had a freaking torque rope for an arm in college. Dude was built in Madden. My guess: you whiffed on Mahomes too.

Bill Walsh whiffed on Tom Brady for Gio Carmazzi. He passed on the GOAT for a literal goat herder. The Genius. Draft is an inexact science.

Originally posted by Scooper1:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
He's once inch shorter...Trey is a thick guy already, Allen wasn't at his current size either as a rookie. Let's allow a 21 year to get build his body up lol.

Throwing power, Allen might have a "stronger" arm, but Trey has very strong arm as well. There's no throw that Allen can make that Trey can't. Does it matter that Allen might be able to throw it 80 yards and Trey only 70-80 yards? When is that ever going to factor into a game? And we've talked enough about Trey's "fastballs" so arm strength there's zero issue.

So you agree he isn't as big and don't have as strong an arm. Thus making the argument indisputable yet here we are

You are arguing about an 11.75" dick vs. 12" dick. Yes one is bigger but does it f**king matter??? Both have elite size and elite arms. For gods sake people are b***hing that Trey throws the ball to hard. Arm strength and size are absolutely the farthest thing from an issue for either of these guys. It's a big part of why they were drafted. Jesus Christ what are we arguing about.

It's just that Allen is a football god. I mean, that's not a knock on Lance. There is just no QB in the NFL built more like RoboQB than Allen.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Scooper1:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
He's once inch shorter...Trey is a thick guy already, Allen wasn't at his current size either as a rookie. Let's allow a 21 year to get build his body up lol.

Throwing power, Allen might have a "stronger" arm, but Trey has very strong arm as well. There's no throw that Allen can make that Trey can't. Does it matter that Allen might be able to throw it 80 yards and Trey only 70-80 yards? When is that ever going to factor into a game? And we've talked enough about Trey's "fastballs" so arm strength there's zero issue.

So you agree he isn't as big and don't have as strong an arm. Thus making the argument indisputable yet here we are

You are arguing about an 11.75" dick vs. 12" dick. Yes one is bigger but does it f**king matter??? Both have elite size and elite arms. For gods sake people are b***hing that Trey throws the ball to hard. Arm strength and size are absolutely the farthest thing from an issue for either of these guys. It's a big part of why they were drafted. Jesus Christ what are we arguing about.

It's just that Allen is a football god. I mean, that's not a knock on Lance. There is just no QB in the NFL built more like RoboQB than Allen.

it took Allen years to become what he is now.. If Lance's heart is in it.. then he has all the tools to get it done

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Good. We need a guy that is mobile enough that he uses his legs as the last resort to extend plays not constantly breaks play calls.

This is right. However, I was hoping for someone more of the steve young type runner, not the most athletic, but who knows when to escape, and finds the lanes, and was somewhat elusive. I dont know what it was last year, but trey's running was just disapointing. Getting stuffed at the goalline, being tackled short of first yard markers, not getting any movement after the initial hit. Just flat out out-muscled when he was initially hit, and falling immediately. Tumbling into his lineman, almost tearing mcglichey's acl at one point. This isnt something that gets better with snaps, except for maybe learning how to slide.

It absolutely gets better with snaps lol. Kid was coming up from FCS and needs to learn the speed of the game in the NFL. You also learn what hits you can/should take or what to do with the ball in certain situations, like the stuff at the goal line was a major teaching point because it was 4th down. He should've had the ball out in front of him but now he knows defenders in the NFL are faster and he can't run them over like he did at NDSU.

There is also a reason why his best runs were off scrambles. Just him getting things going vs trying to read his blocks on designed runs aka more thinking vs doing.

That's a big part of his running failures. He's overestimating his ability and underestimating theirs. When he gets the right feel for it, his timing will improve, as will his decision making, when it comes to running the ball.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Scooper1:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
He's once inch shorter...Trey is a thick guy already, Allen wasn't at his current size either as a rookie. Let's allow a 21 year to get build his body up lol.

Throwing power, Allen might have a "stronger" arm, but Trey has very strong arm as well. There's no throw that Allen can make that Trey can't. Does it matter that Allen might be able to throw it 80 yards and Trey only 70-80 yards? When is that ever going to factor into a game? And we've talked enough about Trey's "fastballs" so arm strength there's zero issue.

So you agree he isn't as big and don't have as strong an arm. Thus making the argument indisputable yet here we are

You are arguing about an 11.75" dick vs. 12" dick. Yes one is bigger but does it f**king matter??? Both have elite size and elite arms. For gods sake people are b***hing that Trey throws the ball to hard. Arm strength and size are absolutely the farthest thing from an issue for either of these guys. It's a big part of why they were drafted. Jesus Christ what are we arguing about.

It's just that Allen is a football god. I mean, that's not a knock on Lance. There is just no QB in the NFL built more like RoboQB than Allen.

it took Allen years to become what he is now.. If Lance's heart is in it.. then he has all the tools to get it done

Lance's heart is in on it. And he's intelligent enough. The only possible way he's not great is if he has a mental hangup about something (the way Jimmy does about seeing the defense and not predetermining his reads so much with out adjusting post-snap).

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Exactly! People are looking at Allen now and don't remember who he was when drafted and who he was year 1. Bills fans were calling him a bust year 1. He was horrible.

Here is Allen's stats in year 1.

In 12 games he had a 52.8 PCT. He threw for 2074 yards, Had 10 TD's and 12 INT's. His QBR was 67.9. Now his rushing was good as he had over 600 yards. But his passing was horrible.

In his 2nd year he only had a 58.8 PCT in 16 games with 3089 yards and 20 TD's and 9 INT's. His QBR was only 85.3. Much better but still not great. It was year 3 where he took off. Now if fans after year 1 and 2 were comparing his potential to Mahomes they would be saying the samething people are saying now when we compare Trey to Allen.

I didn't like either prospect coming out. That said, trey isn't as big as Allen. Arm isn't as strong as Allen. Nor was he the prospect as Allen.

What golden rings said is 100% accurate. There isn't any dispute.

He didn't say he can't eventually be as good.

And that's where...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwMAauD7nGQ&ab_channel=TanyaN

Allen had a freaking torque rope for an arm in college. Dude was built in Madden. My guess: you whiffed on Mahomes too.

Bill Walsh whiffed on Tom Brady for Gio Carmazzi. He passed on the GOAT for a literal goat herder. The Genius. Draft is an inexact science.

Thats true, but I believe he was senile at the time.

He also wanted the niners to draft Jake the snake plummer, but our geniuses at the time went with Jim druckenmiller.

You cant get them all right, but you can have a better hit rate than others.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Love this

#49ers QB Trey Lance with the best answer of the day regarding other people's opinions on him.

Excellent question @grantcohn pic.twitter.com/P1ro4lsk1H

— Steph Sanchez (@stragosaurus) May 24, 2022

One of the most polite clapbacks I've ever seen from a player.

Love it!

And of course it's Grant d******d Cohn asking the question

Ooooh, I already see some improvements in Trey's feet. It looks like he got rid of that false step he had on a 1-step drop.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Ooooh, I already see some improvements in Trey's feet. It looks like he got rid of that false step he had on a 1-step drop.

Just got off work, is there highlights?

Treys press seemed to show more of his personality. Last season it felt like he's just saying what he thinks he's supposed to say. Nice to see him relax a bit.

Looking forward to the hyperbolic statements from here on out.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I'm comparing them physically. Both are big QBs. Allen is bigger. Both have a strong arm. Allen has a stronger one. Both are good at running. Allen has better vision.

Moreover, Allen was a better passer mechanically.

None of this means Lance isn't a good prospect. Far from it. But Allen was underdrafted if we're talking traits.

You're so off it's almost like you thought Allen played for Michigan lol.

Allen had sh*t mechanics coming out, and you say physically but completely ignore athleticism lol. Doesn't matter just funny you ignore anything but being able to throw the ball 3 yards father and being 1 inch and ten pounds heavier. Let's just keep ignoring who runs faster and is more athletic overall.

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I'm comparing them physically. Both are big QBs. Allen is bigger. Both have a strong arm. Allen has a stronger one. Both are good at running. Allen has better vision.

Moreover, Allen was a better passer mechanically.

None of this means Lance isn't a good prospect. Far from it. But Allen was underdrafted if we're talking traits.

You're so off it's almost like you thought Allen played for Michigan lol.

Allen had sh*t mechanics coming out, and you say physically but completely ignore athleticism lol. Doesn't matter just funny you ignore anything but being able to throw the ball 3 yards father and being 1 inch and ten pounds heavier. Let's just keep ignoring who runs faster and is more athletic overall.

Yeah no. Allen was a natural thrower of the football in college. Lance wasn't, not to that degree.

And you can say I'm "so off it's almost like" whatever, but unlike you, I was making threads in the official 49ers forums about how the 49ers should draft him, and you were thinking he was a bust. Just like with Mahomes. So while I'll keep being right about QBs, you can keep being wrong and then tell me how off I was, and I just got lucky because the guys I knew would be great "dramatically improved" (which, by the way, is just excuses people use as an excuse for how terribly they whiffed on these future Hall of Famers who were as obvious as the sun to me).

I mean, 1:24 tells you why this guy was going to be really good: the angle, the arc, the suddenness, throwing without his feet yet still accurate, under pressure. 1 in 10 guys do this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTuKHNz9vbA&ab_channel=JustBombsProductions

Look how effortless that throw was (at 1:24). That's talent you can't teach. And for every "Ryan Leaf" or "Jamarcus Russell" comment, they're all missing the fact that the NFL is different. The vetting is different. And if someone has THAT kind of talent, and that kind of character, it's definitely better odds than a crapshoot. In cases like this, the problem is looking past your expectations and raw stats. Look at how they respond to pressure. Look at the way they throw the ball from different angles. Look at how they see guys most guys don't. It's hard to put into words, but you can't go wrong drafting Superman prospects unless you get lazy on the character evaluation.

EDIT: Bottom line: you can teach pocket passing. You can't teach arm talent.

EDIT2: Oh, you seem to believe I'm a Lance critic. LOL no. I'm just pointing out that Allen is a special, special player. If Lance picks up the quick game, he's going to be top 10 easy.