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Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
IMO the niners have never been able to replace sanders. The niners don't have that reciever who can constantly get separation. Sorry deebo. You're not that kind of reciever.

I mean that pass was all Jimmy tbf.

Yes, but there is that confidence when you have a reciever you can trust, especially 9ne that can get separation on their routes not just schemed open. When inwatch that play, and ineatch Jimmy last season. It's like two different qbs. I don't know what happened.
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
IMO the niners have never been able to replace sanders. The niners don't have that reciever who can constantly get separation. Sorry deebo. You're not that kind of reciever.

I mean that pass was all Jimmy tbf.

Yes, but there is that confidence when you have a reciever you can trust, especially 9ne that can get separation on their routes not just schemed open. When inwatch that play, and ineatch Jimmy last season. It's like two different qbs. I don't know what happened.

Well that's just one play and wasn't the norm for Jimmy in 2019 either.
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
IMO the niners have never been able to replace sanders. The niners don't have that reciever who can constantly get separation. Sorry deebo. You're not that kind of reciever.

I mean that pass was all Jimmy tbf.

Yes, but there is that confidence when you have a reciever you can trust, especially 9ne that can get separation on their routes not just schemed open. When inwatch that play, and ineatch Jimmy last season. It's like two different qbs. I don't know what happened.

Well that's just one play and wasn't the norm for Jimmy in 2019 either.

You can't sit here and tell me with a straight face that Jimmy in 2019 and Jimmy in 2021 is the same qb. No way.
Originally posted by NDSU:
Originally posted by thl408:
I didn't watch Lawrence vs HOU, but I have to be fair and say Lawrence's supporting cast (players and coaches) pale in comparison to Lance's.
So when its a Lawrence loss its a team issue, but when its Lance its a QB issue? Interesting.

No, when Lawrence played he had a much less talented team and coaching staff around him than Trey, which is undeniably true.
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
IMO the niners have never been able to replace sanders. The niners don't have that reciever who can constantly get separation. Sorry deebo. You're not that kind of reciever.

I mean that pass was all Jimmy tbf.

Yes, but there is that confidence when you have a reciever you can trust, especially 9ne that can get separation on their routes not just schemed open. When inwatch that play, and ineatch Jimmy last season. It's like two different qbs. I don't know what happened.

Well that's just one play and wasn't the norm for Jimmy in 2019 either.

You can't sit here and tell me with a straight face that Jimmy in 2019 and Jimmy in 2021 is the same qb. No way.

I've said this before that his ACL injury really messed him up, he was a very good QB in 2017, was able to make way more throws that the really good QBs make.
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Bruh two excellent passes doesn't erase all the ones that were late. What kind of fool do you take me for? Trey hasn't had enough of a sample size for anyone to be criticizing him for a pass that was a little bit off when it was thrown before the break. We can find plenty of bad outside passes from Jimmy too. That's the point.

I'm not criticizing Trey. I'm criticizing the notion that it was a difficult pass. That's my point

I mean it's more difficult than routes like a slant. And as someone who did in fact play QB in high school, I'd say deep out routes are one of the harder passes. (What follows is my own personal experience, but I've seen lots of people back this up.)

It wasn't just the distance, but the risk is higher, you're having to turn your body more because the target is further away from the centerline (which increases risks of screwing up your fundamentals), the tackles tend to be standing directly in your field of vision, which can be a problem, and of course, the timing aspect. It's hard spatially to see it and feel for it, as well as the sheer distance for a throw that needs to be on a rope. Not to mention, for some of the same reasons, gauging to distance to the sideline can be somewhat problematic (in particularly if you're not the best at intuitive understanding of dept).

Maybe the only pass that is harder is the post corner, but not for me, although for me, deep out was the hardest pass for me. I wasn't a huge fan of curls either, but that was probably due to my fear of throwing into traffic. Slant and posts were easiest for me (same with corner-posts), probably because I practiced it so much, but also the benefit having multiple windows to fit them in if your timing is messed up early, and the simple fact that they're really hard for DBs to cover. Swing routes were a bit trickier than you might think. 9 routes were easier than you might think, since once you have the timing with the WR down it's kind of automatic (not so simple in the NFL due to coverage schemes and DB quality, of course).

So yeah, I would say if you don't think a deep out is difficult, you probably don't know much about quarterbacking.
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
IMO the niners have never been able to replace sanders. The niners don't have that reciever who can constantly get separation. Sorry deebo. You're not that kind of reciever.

I mean that pass was all Jimmy tbf.

Yes, but there is that confidence when you have a reciever you can trust, especially 9ne that can get separation on their routes not just schemed open. When inwatch that play, and ineatch Jimmy last season. It's like two different qbs. I don't know what happened.

Well that's just one play and wasn't the norm for Jimmy in 2019 either.

You can't sit here and tell me with a straight face that Jimmy in 2019 and Jimmy in 2021 is the same qb. No way.

Statistically, both seasons were really similar. He was a middle of the pack QB in 2019 and he was one in 2021. Both years, he disappeared in the playoffs, though at least in 2021 his shoulder may have slightly affected his performance.
Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
That would explain why Jimmy never hesitates to attempt throws on the outside like that, and why never ever do defenders contest those throws he's tried to make over there, and why he's never had any interceptions there, like the one that definitely didn't happen which brought the Cowboys back, or the one against the Lions a few years ago which definitely didn't happen and definitely was not overturned by a penalty, or all the near misses in the flat that definitely never happened.



STILL not enough for any other team in the league to want him on their roster.

If he hadn't had the surgery so late he would %100 be on another team. You're talking out your ass.
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
IMO the niners have never been able to replace sanders. The niners don't have that reciever who can constantly get separation. Sorry deebo. You're not that kind of reciever.

I mean that pass was all Jimmy tbf.

Yes, but there is that confidence when you have a reciever you can trust, especially 9ne that can get separation on their routes not just schemed open. When inwatch that play, and ineatch Jimmy last season. It's like two different qbs. I don't know what happened.

Well that's just one play and wasn't the norm for Jimmy in 2019 either.

You can't sit here and tell me with a straight face that Jimmy in 2019 and Jimmy in 2021 is the same qb. No way.

I've said this before that his ACL injury really messed him up, he was a very good QB in 2017, was able to make way more throws that the really good QBs make.

He didn't look that good at the start of 2018 before his injury.
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
IMO the niners have never been able to replace sanders. The niners don't have that reciever who can constantly get separation. Sorry deebo. You're not that kind of reciever.

I mean that pass was all Jimmy tbf.

Yes, but there is that confidence when you have a reciever you can trust, especially 9ne that can get separation on their routes not just schemed open. When inwatch that play, and ineatch Jimmy last season. It's like two different qbs. I don't know what happened.

Well that's just one play and wasn't the norm for Jimmy in 2019 either.

You can't sit here and tell me with a straight face that Jimmy in 2019 and Jimmy in 2021 is the same qb. No way.

I've said this before that his ACL injury really messed him up, he was a very good QB in 2017, was able to make way more throws that the really good QBs make.

He didn't look that good at the start of 2018 before his injury.

Eh. Early season rust though, lots of players / QBs go through that.

It's possible that it wasn't the ACL either that messed him, but all the constant injuries.
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I mean it's more difficult than routes like a slant. And as someone who did in fact play QB in high school, I'd say deep out routes are one of the harder passes. (What follows is my own personal experience, but I've seen lots of people back this up.)

It wasn't just the distance, but the risk is higher, you're having to turn your body more because the target is further away from the centerline (which increases risks of screwing up your fundamentals), the tackles tend to be standing directly in your field of vision, which can be a problem, and of course, the timing aspect. It's hard spatially to see it and feel for it, as well as the sheer distance for a throw that needs to be on a rope. Not to mention, for some of the same reasons, gauging to distance to the sideline can be somewhat problematic (in particularly if you're not the best at intuitive understanding of dept).

Maybe the only pass that is harder is the post corner, but not for me, although for me, deep out was the hardest pass for me. I wasn't a huge fan of curls either, but that was probably due to my fear of throwing into traffic. Slant and posts were easiest for me (same with corner-posts), probably because I practiced it so much, but also the benefit having multiple windows to fit them in if your timing is messed up early, and the simple fact that they're really hard for DBs to cover. Swing routes were a bit trickier than you might think. 9 routes were easier than you might think, since once you have the timing with the WR down it's kind of automatic (not so simple in the NFL due to coverage schemes and DB quality, of course).

So yeah, I would say if you don't think a deep out is difficult, you probably don't know much about quarterbacking.

Lol. I know enough. Also know not every pass is created equal. The pass in question was not a difficult pass. Clean pocket. Perfect timing. Perfect pre snap read.

The pass in question was not a difficult pass. Nor did that pass require it to be LOW and away (which wasn't really away) as 1 poster suggested.

Can give him kudos for the read. Even the execution giving the situation. All I'm saying is pass in question was not a difficult throw.
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I mean it's more difficult than routes like a slant. And as someone who did in fact play QB in high school, I'd say deep out routes are one of the harder passes. (What follows is my own personal experience, but I've seen lots of people back this up.)

It wasn't just the distance, but the risk is higher, you're having to turn your body more because the target is further away from the centerline (which increases risks of screwing up your fundamentals), the tackles tend to be standing directly in your field of vision, which can be a problem, and of course, the timing aspect. It's hard spatially to see it and feel for it, as well as the sheer distance for a throw that needs to be on a rope. Not to mention, for some of the same reasons, gauging to distance to the sideline can be somewhat problematic (in particularly if you're not the best at intuitive understanding of dept).

Maybe the only pass that is harder is the post corner, but not for me, although for me, deep out was the hardest pass for me. I wasn't a huge fan of curls either, but that was probably due to my fear of throwing into traffic. Slant and posts were easiest for me (same with corner-posts), probably because I practiced it so much, but also the benefit having multiple windows to fit them in if your timing is messed up early, and the simple fact that they're really hard for DBs to cover. Swing routes were a bit trickier than you might think. 9 routes were easier than you might think, since once you have the timing with the WR down it's kind of automatic (not so simple in the NFL due to coverage schemes and DB quality, of course).

So yeah, I would say if you don't think a deep out is difficult, you probably don't know much about quarterbacking.

Lol. I know enough. Also know not every pass is created equal. The pass in question was not a difficult pass. Clean pocket. Perfect timing. Perfect pre snap read.

The pass in question was not a difficult pass. Nor did that pass require it to be LOW and away (which wasn't really away) as 1 poster suggested.

Can give him kudos for the read. Even the execution giving the situation. All I'm saying is pass in question was not a difficult throw.

So you definitely don't know enough lol
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
IMO the niners have never been able to replace sanders. The niners don't have that reciever who can constantly get separation. Sorry deebo. You're not that kind of reciever.

I mean that pass was all Jimmy tbf.

Yes, but there is that confidence when you have a reciever you can trust, especially 9ne that can get separation on their routes not just schemed open. When inwatch that play, and ineatch Jimmy last season. It's like two different qbs. I don't know what happened.

Well that's just one play and wasn't the norm for Jimmy in 2019 either.

You can't sit here and tell me with a straight face that Jimmy in 2019 and Jimmy in 2021 is the same qb. No way.

I've said this before that his ACL injury really messed him up, he was a very good QB in 2017, was able to make way more throws that the really good QBs make.

He didn't look that good at the start of 2018 before his injury.

Eh. Early season rust though, lots of players / QBs go through that.

It's possible that it wasn't the ACL either that messed him, but all the constant injuries.

Maybe, but we don't really have a huge sample size either way. He played well in 2017, but it was just 5 games (1 of which was against the Rams backups), so it's not like we can just assume that's how he'd play going forward if he hadn't hurt his ACL, especially when he wasn't playing like that in the limited time we saw him in 2018.

Trey's going to get some good arm fitness from throwing to 75 different TEs.
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
You can't sit here and tell me with a straight face that Jimmy in 2019 and Jimmy in 2021 is the same qb. No way.

I can. I'll tell you that all day and twice on sundays. You can't tell me with a straight face that having a WR, who wasn't even our #1, leaving fundamentally changed anything about Jimmy as a person or a player.
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