Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

The off-platform throws are the their "off speed pitch". In the pocket, upright, with a good base is still the "fastball".

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The off balance crazy throws are never going to be the norm. Every QB would prefer to be able to stay in the pocket and throw while he's protected. Just because some QBs make those throws doesn't men they can't throw from the pocket. The important thing is that they CAN make those throws when they're pressured and it becomes necessary. It may be only a couple times a game but if they happen at critical moments and result in a completion that keeps a drive alive then they're the throws that are remembered. They become the difference makers.

Agree.
In the playoffs, usually it's just one (maybe two) plays that make a difference between winning and losing. That's how close the margins and parity is nowadays. A QB that can make *one* play off schedule can literally dominate a game, by definition, if there is such parity in the league. In the Dallas game - Dak's screw up on running too much time off is an example of *one* play making the difference between winning and losing. Another is the Green Bay game and the blocked field gold, another is the Tart dropped pass, or conversely the failure of Jimmy to even get a first down in that critical drive in the 4th qtr in the NFCCG.

Trey's athleticism will make a difference in 2022, and may even partially make up for his initial lack of experience, and keep in mind, by the 6th game of next year, his *so called* lack of experience will continue to diminish, until the end of the season where he can be possibly as *seasoned* as some vets in the NFL that have played decades in the league.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The off balance crazy throws are never going to be the norm. Every QB would prefer to be able to stay in the pocket and throw while he's protected. Just because some QBs make those throws doesn't men they can't throw from the pocket. The important thing is that they CAN make those throws when they're pressured and it becomes necessary. It may be only a couple times a game but if they happen at critical moments and result in a completion that keeps a drive alive then they're the throws that are remembered. They become the difference makers.

Agree.
In the playoffs, usually it's just one (maybe two) plays that make a difference between winning and losing. That's how close the margins and parity is nowadays. A QB that can make *one* play off schedule can literally dominate a game, by definition, if there is such parity in the league. In the Dallas game - Dak's screw up on running too much time off is an example of *one* play making the difference between winning and losing. Another is the Green Bay game and the blocked field gold, another is the Tart dropped pass, or conversely the failure of Jimmy to even get a first down in that critical drive in the 4th qtr in the NFCCG.

Trey's athleticism will make a difference in 2022, and may even partially make up for his initial lack of experience, and keep in mind, by the 6th game of next year, his *so called* lack of experience will continue to diminish, until the end of the season where he can be possibly as *seasoned* as some vets in the NFL that have played decades in the league.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
JJimmy's mechanics never impressed me as ill-considered or lacking in structure. I think what you're saying is his structure wasn't the best structure. What I'm saying is when I look at Ray on those rollouts I don't see any consideration of mechanics. Which is fine for a 21 year old. But I'll definitely look a little more closely at clips of Jimmy to try and understand what you're talking about and what could be better. I don't understand why you're overhyping tray and setting him up for failure just like a lot of other people on this forum. Nothing against the kid but to me it's a stretch thinking he'll be winning 10 games for us next year. Again only crazy webzone Kool-Aid drinkers expect a kid that young with such a little experience to take us to the promised land

You're missing the whole point of what an off platform is… resetting your feet goes out the window in those situations. None of those clips I showed of other NFL QBs show anything different. Some guys can make those throws and others can't end of the day.

hyping up Lance? Nah I've maintained from day 1 that he's uber talented but needs reps to feel confident in his reads. I've said there will be bumps in the road whenever he finally gets to play…you got others in here saying Mahomes sat for a yr so that means Lance will be him & I said stop that s**t.

You've made you bias known in here for this situation for a while…now you're exaggerating saying I'm thinking he's gonna be a MVP out the gate or take us to the promise land from day 1

I also don't see why SF can't win 10 games with him next yr. 29th in passing attempts last yr. Jimmy missing multiple reads every game. Playing hurt for multiple games…and yet they still made it to turn NFCC. Let's cut the s**t thinking Jimmy is some FQB.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Thays what I'm saying. He can't just rely on those types of passes. He has to learn to carve up a team from the pocket. Then and only then will those bonus plays be effective. If not, he will always be nick named one play trey. Having both skill sets he will be impossible to defend. That's the hope.

Showing him making some off platform throws is not meant to say that's all he gonna do during a game….you'd think that would just be common sense and not some debate. But here we are.

it's showing arm talent and part of the reason why teams thought highly of him. It's a positive and only people with a narrative have tried to poo poo it.

also, What a stupid nickname that has no logical reasoning behind it.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
No no Jose, good football teams don't drive the ball and control the clock anymore. It's simply bombs and touchdowns. Forget the fact that outside of the Chiefs Bills game all the other playoff and super bowl games were won with just that, ball control, getting crucial third downs, and a big drive at the end of the game to win it.
These dudes are clueless and think the majority of the throws are madden type plays. No sense in arguing with them. Especially the super homers and guys like NY who not only have been wrong in every thread but they also flip flop as soon as they've lost a current argument.

you just can't help yourself….you love me so much and talk about me all the time.

lol yeah Burrow won by driving the ball down the field for long drives all through the playoffs lol.

SF beat the Packers by driving it down the field all game lol.

Stafford was never pushing the ball downfield. Just 3 step drops for 4 yards all through the playoffs.

Once the pats couldn't stop the Bills the game manager couldn't hang with a elite QB. Weird.

Lol that first throw by Mahomes is so stupid.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Lol that first throw by Mahomes is so stupid.

BUT mechanics!

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
No no Jose, good football teams don't drive the ball and control the clock anymore. It's simply bombs and touchdowns. Forget the fact that outside of the Chiefs Bills game all the other playoff and super bowl games were won with just that, ball control, getting crucial third downs, and a big drive at the end of the game to win it.
These dudes are clueless and think the majority of the throws are madden type plays. No sense in arguing with them. Especially the super homers and guys like NY who not only have been wrong in every thread but they also flip flop as soon as they've lost a current argument.

Ball control? The entire 2nd half of the SB was a big play by the bengals for a TD followed by a turnover a fg and a bajillion punts. There was no ball control.

Playoff game that had the most ball control was Bills Pats where Allen tore up the Pats D while Mac was completely overwhelmed since he had to throw it more than 3 times.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
No no Jose, good football teams don't drive the ball and control the clock anymore. It's simply bombs and touchdowns. Forget the fact that outside of the Chiefs Bills game all the other playoff and super bowl games were won with just that, ball control, getting crucial third downs, and a big drive at the end of the game to win it.
These dudes are clueless and think the majority of the throws are madden type plays. No sense in arguing with them. Especially the super homers and guys like NY who not only have been wrong in every thread but they also flip flop as soon as they've lost a current argument.

Ball control? The entire 2nd half of the SB was a big play by the bengals for a TD followed by a turnover a fg and a bajillion punts. There was no ball control.

Playoff game that had the most ball control was Bills Pats where Allen tore up the Pats D while Mac was completely overwhelmed since he had to throw it more than 3 times.

What if in todays NFL you have to be capable of doing both - big splash plays and long sustained drives. Each are valuable in their own way. It's akin to saying the NBA is only 3-pt shots now, except in the playoffs you need ball-control / FTs to close out games.

The answer is both. Trey obviously improve our ability in the splash play category. It remains to be seen if he can hold serve with Jimmy on the ball-control aspect of the game.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
No no Jose, good football teams don't drive the ball and control the clock anymore. It's simply bombs and touchdowns. Forget the fact that outside of the Chiefs Bills game all the other playoff and super bowl games were won with just that, ball control, getting crucial third downs, and a big drive at the end of the game to win it.
These dudes are clueless and think the majority of the throws are madden type plays. No sense in arguing with them. Especially the super homers and guys like NY who not only have been wrong in every thread but they also flip flop as soon as they've lost a current argument.

Ball control? The entire 2nd half of the SB was a big play by the bengals for a TD followed by a turnover a fg and a bajillion punts. There was no ball control.

Playoff game that had the most ball control was Bills Pats where Allen tore up the Pats D while Mac was completely overwhelmed since he had to throw it more than 3 times.

I wish you guys would just ignore the Pats fan when it talks.

This is going to be one long off season. All this thread is going to be until September is Lance is going to be great, Lance isn't ready, and all kinds of speculation. I'm going to save myself the trouble and just believe that now that we have a athletic QB with the arm and guts to throw it all over the field the offense will be better next season. I trust Lance, he seems like a smart kid and i feel he will get better the more he plays. The success of the team will also come down to roster moves who they add who they dont bring back and who they draft. Like i said gonna be a long off season but will be worth the wait.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Ball control? The entire 2nd half of the SB was a big play by the bengals for a TD followed by a turnover a fg and a bajillion punts. There was no ball control.

Playoff game that had the most ball control was Bills Pats where Allen tore up the Pats D while Mac was completely overwhelmed since he had to throw it more than 3 times.

Today's NFL with today's elite versatile athletes and defensive scheming come playoff time requires more than not an elite talent under center to overcome it

Jimmy is a fine QB

BUT

come playoff time he gets exposed for being only a good QB and not an elite one

This is why we needed a guy like Trey and not three firsts for a Mac Jones

Time will prove us right

Mahomes is the only reason we lost our last Super Bowl

Because he was elite and Jimmy was good

This is why we did what we did in getting Trey

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I think you're both right.

What Jose is saying is that when and if Trey establishes himself as a real pocket QB or a QB who can beat you from the pocket, well we've certainly improved over Jimmy. This is certainly the baseline.

What NY is saying is being able to scramble and throw outside the pocket makes a QB elevate is also true.

It's the combination of both that so few have that makes them deadly. If teams know Lance can dice then from the pocket, but he can also extend plays by scrambling/bootlegs and make crazy throws off balance in the face of pressure it just crushes a defense.

I would suspect Kyle will actually get Trey comfortable passing from the pocket first. Then as he settles in through the season he will start putting more mobility in by design. It's going to be fun.

Just rewatched a bit of the AZ game (with Trey starting), and Trey used his mobility a lot in that game because AZ was blitzing him. I think going into his first couple of games in 2022, I think you can almost predict a blitzing defensive game plan against the Trey pass offense. That's what defenses will do until Trey burns them consistently on those calls. Mitchell did a great job of picking up several first downs just by being the dump off/check down receiver. Trey did throw a pick in that first drive - on an overthrow to Aiyuk, but overall he played very well for having never started in the NFL (at least that first half). I think Kyle called too many QB runs in that game, when I think, if teams are going to blitz that heavily on 3rd downs -- I think the screen game is a better call than QB runs if you are going to keep Trey healthy. Now I think one of the reasons Kyle called a lot of QB runs is probably because Trey and the WR's didn't have a lot of time together in the timing of the screens. That shouldn't be a problem going into 2022.

Secondly, I didn't see a lot of play action in the first half, and that may be because Mitchell wasn't established as a reliable runner yet, that should change in 2022. I think the power/zone run and the play action pass will be heavily emphasized, at least I would, to preserve Trey's health I'd game plan on leaning heavily on the run in the first couple of game and get Trey comfortable in the pocket and get those reps with his receivers on a good footing.

Some notes: Trey's arm velocity, Mohamed Sanu dropped a deep Lazer to him that hit his hands in the 2nd half, that was a Jimmy-esque throw (in between three defenders) and that would have been a 20+ yard gain, from where I saw the throw started and ended. I have never seen Jimmy throw a pass like that with such velocity, and also the accuracy was right there, again it hit Sanu's hands. It was just coming too hot for Sanu to handle, I hope our WR's can get acclimated to that velocity. I know John Elway's WR's had to wear gloves to handle his passes back in the day. On the 2nd half 49er TD, Kyle called a lot more screen passes, and there were a ton of 49er holding penalties, and one reason is that Trey is a lot more mobile than Jimmy and the OLinemen (trent Williams being one of them) was called for a holding because of that mobility. OLInemen next year will have to be coached up on how to pass protect a mobile QB and not get holding calls.

Originally posted by Raul98:
This is going to be one long off season. All this thread is going to be until September is Lance is going to be great, Lance isn't ready, and all kinds of speculation. I'm going to save myself the trouble and just believe that now that we have a athletic QB with the arm and guts to throw it all over the field the offense will be better next season. I trust Lance, he seems like a smart kid and i feel he will get better the more he plays. The success of the team will also come down to roster moves who they add who they dont bring back and who they draft. Like i said gonna be a long off season but will be worth the wait.

No need to speculate. The answers are here. Rewatched this morning. John laughing and giddy, maybe drunk? Kyle saying we knew exactly what we were doing not that we wouldn't look at other guys.

The short time to now from then and that they are unhappy. Want Rogers. Want Brady. Yeah right.

It's all right here. Take a revisit.